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Naruto Low 5-B Upscale CRT

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5-C+ (281/355 Exatons): TCM Toneri

At Least 5-C+ (281/355 Exatons): BSM Naruto (The Last), Kinshiki, Base Momoshiki

Low 5-B (433 Exatons): SPSM Naruto (Part II), Rinnegan Sasuke (Part II), SOSP Madara (Post Shinju Tree), Hagoromo (Prime & Jinchuriki), Hamura, Delta

Low 5-B (562/710 Exatons): Fused Momoshiki, New Era Sasuke, New Era Naruto (SPSM & Baryon Mode), Isshiki (Jigen & True Form)

Thoughts?
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
5-C+ (281/355 Exatons): TCM Toneri

At Least 5-C+ (281/355 Exatons): BSM Naruto (The Last), Kinshiki, Base Momoshiki

Low 5-B (433 Exatons): SPSM Naruto (Part II), Rinnegan Sasuke (Part II), SOSP Madara (Post Shinju Tree), Hagoromo (Prime & Jinchuriki), Hamura, Delta

Low 5-B (562/710 Exatons): Fused Momoshiki, New Era Sasuke, New Era Naruto (SPSM & Baryon Mode), Isshiki (Jigen & True Form)

Thoughts?
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I think you forgot Kaguya, but otherwise, I think that seems fine.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
In that last scan you posted we clearly see KK withstanding a kick from Ōtsutsuki Jigen, and continued like nothing happened. If that's not tanking idk what is.
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All because he didn't lose his head doesn't mean he scales.
He sent him flying.
Unless yall wanna scale base Naruto to Fused Momo now for doing the same thing.
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KingTempest said:
All because he didn't lose his head doesn't mean he scales.
He sent him flying.
Unless yall wanna scale base Naruto to Fused Momo now for doing the same thing.
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I don't actually see a problem with that since he smacked him around once he entered SPSM, but that's a story for another thread.

And yes, we scale durability like this all the time. He withstood an attack and kept fighting, there's no reason to overcomplicate this. It's simple
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
5-C+ (281/355 Exatons): TCM Toneri

At Least 5-C+ (281/355 Exatons): BSM Naruto (The Last), Kinshiki, Base Momoshiki

Low 5-B (433 Exatons): SPSM Naruto (Part II), Rinnegan Sasuke (Part II), SOSP Madara (Post Shinju Tree), Hagoromo (Prime & Jinchuriki), Hamura, Delta

Low 5-B (562/710 Exatons): Fused Momoshiki, New Era Sasuke, New Era Naruto (SPSM & Baryon Mode), Isshiki (Jigen & True Form)

Thoughts?
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Base Momoshiki would be Low 5-B with Ninjutsu because he knocked Naruto out, no? Otherwise it seems okay.

Kaguya should probably be "At least 433 exatons" I guess.
 
Damage3245 said:
Why exactly does SPSM Naruto (Part II) scale above BSM Naruto (The Last)?

Who's to say Naruto's BSM form didn't get stronger between the end of Shippuden and the Last?
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I thought we have to prove that a character becomes stronger.
Logically SPSM is above just Kurama Mode and it has been accepted as such for a long time, are we really going to discuss this right now?
 
Damage3245 said:
Why exactly does SPSM Naruto (Part II) scale above BSM Naruto (The Last)?

Who's to say Naruto's BSM form didn't get stronger between the end of Shippuden and the Last?
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The same reason why his NE SPSM scales above him, because it's a stronger form. If we don't scale Part II and NE SPSM above the Last BSM, then BSM Naruto and Toneri will be the God tiers of the verse, which is just silly.
 
Damage3245 said:
Why exactly does SPSM Naruto (Part II) scale above BSM Naruto (The Last)?

Who's to say Naruto's BSM form didn't get stronger between the end of Shippuden and the Last?
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Well BSM Naruto (The Last) is just

Naruto's Chakra + 50% 9 Tails Chakra + Senjutsu

While SPSM Naruto (Part II) is

Naruto's Chakra + 50% 9 Tails Chakra + Tailed Beast Chakra Portions (1 to 8) + Six Paths Chakra

I guess?
 
Damage3245 said:
Why exactly does SPSM Naruto (Part II) scale above BSM Naruto (The Last)?

Who's to say Naruto's BSM form didn't get stronger between the end of Shippuden and the Last?
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Because the idea that Six Path Naruto is less than 1.5X stronger than his Tailed Beast form requires a ridiculous amount more of assumptions to make.
There's also Kaguya who is clearly stronger than Toneri.
 
Wrath_Of_Itachi said:
I've always thought base Naruto should scale, but that doesn't seem to be what others think.
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I also think base Naruto should scale, although it is weird how he can fight SPSM-ish level people in base. Iirc, at the end of Part II, he even held his own against Sasuke in base for a while.
 
LordTracer said:
I also think base Naruto should scale, although it is weird how he can fight SPSM-ish level people in base. Iirc, at the end of Part II, he even held his own against Sasuke in base for a while.
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His base clearly got a lot stronger Post-SPSM. He even tanked his chakra blowing a hole through the moon while unconscious.
 
Slacjow said:
I thought we have to prove that a character becomes stronger.
Logically SPSM is above just Kurama Mode and it has been accepted as such for a long time, are we really going to discuss this right now?
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In this case we have proof that the Last BSM Naruto is stronger than Shippuden BSM Naruto via his feats.

Where is it stated that Shippuden SPSM Naruto is stronger than the Last BSM Naruto?
 
I’m pretty sure the only people that think Part II BSM is stronger than Blank Period BSM is the people that think Juubito is stronger than Toneri, and then scale Naruto to Juubito.
 
Damage3245 said:
In this case we have proof that the Last BSM Naruto is stronger than Shippuden BSM Naruto via his feats.

Where is it stated that Shippuden SPSM Naruto is stronger than the Last BSM Naruto?
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Damage, even base Naruto in the Last is > BSM Naruto from Shippuden via feats, so obviously nobody is disputing that BSM from the Last is > Part II BSM.
That doesn't change the fact that SPSM is the much superior form, especially at Naruto's potential peak against someone much stronger than Toneri.
 
Damage3245 said:
In this case we have proof that the Last BSM Naruto is stronger than Shippuden BSM Naruto via his feats.
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I didn't say anything about Shippuden BSM, everybody knows its weaker than anything post Six Paths.
Damage3245 said:
Where is it stated that Shippuden SPSM Naruto is stronger than the Last BSM Naruto?
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It doesn't need to be stated, SPSM is overall a much better form than BSM and is acknowledged as such for as long as The Last was out.
 
That doesn't change the fact that SPSM is the much superior form, especially at Naruto's potential peak against someone much stronger than Toneri.
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I don't doubt that SPSM Naruto from the Last would be greater than BSM Naruto from the Last.

I'm asking why does Shippuden SPSM Naruto scale to BSM Naruto from the Last?
 
Damage3245 said:
I'm asking why does Shippuden SPSM Naruto scale to BSM Naruto from the Last?
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Because it's a MUCH stronger form. So if base Goku had a crazy feat in a current arc, would we not scale it to MUI Goku from the previous arc when there's absolutely no indication that he got stronger than his previous peak?

Additionally, SPSM Naruto from Part II fought Kaguya (to an extent), who's much superior to Toneri. Toneri is at best comparable to Hamura, who's weaker than Hagoromo, who's in turn weaker than Kaguya. It's really simple and widely accepted, so please let's not unnecessarily overcomplicate such a simple thing.
 
Because it's a MUCH stronger form. So if base Goku had a crazy feat in a current arc, would we not scale it to MUI Goku from the previous arc when there's absolutely no indication that he got stronger than his previous peak?
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I'd say that it depends on context.

If we jumped forwards a year in the story, and base Goku got a Multiversal+ feat. I would object to trying to scale Super Saiyan Goku from a year ago to this feat.

Additionally, SPSM Naruto from Part II fought Kaguya (to an extent), who's much superior to Toneri. Toneri is at best comparable to Hamura, who's weaker than Hagoromo, who's in turn weaker than Kaguya.
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If that's true then why don't you just scale SPSM Naruto through that method instead of scaling SPSM Naruto directly to BSM Naruto in the Last?
 
Damage3245 said:
I'd say that it depends on context.

If we jumped forwards a year in the story, and base Goku got a Multiversal+ feat. I would object to trying to scale Super Saiyan Goku from a year ago to this feat.
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You know that the disparity in feats isn't that large, so the exaggeration isn't necessary. Both Part II and The Last have Moon level feats, so that's a moot point.


Damage3245 said:
If that's true then why don't you just scale SPSM Naruto through that method instead of scaling SPSM Naruto directly to BSM Naruto in the Last?
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I didn't really write any of the justifications, but if it were up to me I'd make them more detailed and robust to reflect all the intricacies within the scaling chain.
 
That, I have to agree with. Scaling SPSM above Toneri through fighting Kaguya would be better than just directly scaling him to BSM.
 
Just saying, BSM Naruto could fly in The Last, a SPSM ability. Take that as you will🤷🏾‍♂️
 
KingTempest said:
Just saying, BSM Naruto could fly in The Last, a SPSM ability. Take that as you will🤷🏾‍♂️
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Having Six Paths Senjustu is a prerequisite to obtain that ability, but there's nothing that says you need to stay in that form to keep the use the ability

I mean Toneri can fly, and nothing about his Tenseigan Chakra Mode is Six Paths Senjutsu as well
 
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Having Six Paths Senjustu is a prerequisite to obtain that ability, but there's nothing that says you need to stay in that form to keep the use the ability

I mean Toneri can fly, and nothing about his Tenseigan Chakra Mode is Six Paths Senjutsu as well
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TSOs and Flight are a sign of Six Paths Senjutsu

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Page 265 Konoha Hundred Leafs Collection No. 70 Grotesque Figures - Rampaging Personalities - Cursed Seals -That Power's Origin- Having an eye on a special clan's ability to take in the power of nature and the source of that ability, Orochimaru conducted research on the body of one of that...
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Ninjutsu, Senjutsu - Sage of Six Paths Mode
No rank, no range, offensive, defensive, supplementary
Users: Naruto Uzumaki

⬅ The floating ability used by the Sage of Six Paths is also almost mastered unconsciously by this technique's user.
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Signifying that whoever is using Six Paths Senjutsu is flying, not that "when he gets it, he can use it whenever" like Susanoo
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Six Paths Chakra-Enhanced.

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Insect Jamming One of the Hiden Jutsu handed down in the Aburame Clan. A vast number of insects are released into the air, which misleads/bewilders chakra sensing. This prevents the enemy from reading one's allies intelligence, Having trouble making out the last Kanji and Hiragana due to...
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Ninjutsu - Truth-Seeking Balls
No rank, all ranges, offensive, defensive, supplementary
Users: Naruto Uzumaki, Obito Uchiha, Madara Uchiha

The one who carries the truth-seeking black orbs will be granted the truth of all things!!

Those who blossomed the Senjutsu of Six Paths wear these black orbs, encompassing the power of all five natures and Yin–Yang.
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He has the Senjutsu

Plus his relationship w/ Hamura, someone with Six Paths Senjutsu.
 
This is because "The Last" creators made the movie before the release of SPSM, so they gave the opposition TSOs and gave Naruto the ability to fly and shit, even though those were SPSenjutsu qualities.

In all honesty, I always believed that he used SPSM against Toneri, and the BSM was a design error, since he could casually break a bunch of TSOs and fly. No reason why he'd hold back against Toneri
 
KingTempest said:
We can tackle this in another thread.

The low 5-B scaling is good?
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Honestly we might just want to wait to discuss any Top and God Tier scaling till we settle everything beforehand, because there are a lot of issues with Naruto Scaling and Tiers in general right now
Wrath_Of_Itachi said:
I thought Damage was going to make a thread to remove upscaling
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I will totally oppose that when it happens, upscaling is 100% fine if there is a significant gap in power between two characters and the jump to the next tier is less than 1.5x
 
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