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Are we just gonna forget Natsu ripped Kaguya’s arm clean off with just a Chakra Arm, he scales to her physically and jutsu wise
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Naruto Low 5-B Upscale CRT
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A High 6-A ripping off a 5-C arm?
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We see Juubito get hit with Ninjutsu, they don't say "it didn't do that much damage", they say "no effect at all" also saying "it doesn't work", and they all say that Ninjutsu doesn't work on Juubi Jins. Obito hasn't shown to absorb anything.
The same logic works on Madara.
Kaguya shouldn't be an exception. The big issue is that she's a hax ball who's impervious to ninjutsu.
The same Kaguya with no durability feats, yeah.
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You linked an entire shot, of Naruto harming Juubito with Ninjutsu.
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Naruto attacked her with rage boost, chakra boost and off guard.
Kaguya tanked an attack from the same Naruto after the Harem Jutsu and tanked the TBBRS, with barely no damage.
She has durability feats, you guys are just wanting to make Naruto = Kaguya but forget what happened when he ripes her arm.
Kaguya tanked an attack from the same Naruto after the Harem Jutsu and tanked the TBBRS, with barely no damage.
She has durability feats, you guys are just wanting to make Naruto = Kaguya but forget what happened when he ripes her arm.
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Bleeding from both his back and mouth, linked by you, Naruto dealing damage with the Rasengan, a ninjutsu.
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You do realize that was before they started using Senjutsu
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A. In the bottom left of this scan, it says "ninjutsu may not work".
Bleeding from both his back and mouth, linked by you, Naruto dealing damage with the Rasengan, a ninjutsu.
B. They literally say on the next page it's senjutsu
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Senjutsu enhanced ninjutsu, is still ninjutsu.
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Limited Invulnerability (Juubi Jinchūriki are impervious to ninjutsu, which includes energy and elemental attacks, with the exception of those that contain natural energy)
Basically, only Taijutsu, Senjutsu, or Six Paths Chakra Users are able to have any effect
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Reread Naruto.
Senjutsu ≠ Ninjutsu.
It's not "senjutsu enhanced ninjutsu", that's not a thing, its nature energy enhanced ninjutsu, which is a completely different thing.
You're sending scans that say ninjutsu don't work then you use senjutsu scans.
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I know.
He believes that they aren't impervious to ninjutsu.
I sent scans of them using ninjutsu to explain that they are impervious to ninjutsu.
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Tanking attacks that bypass your invulnerability and taking physical hits from someone relative to you without being badly injured qualifies as a Durability feat.
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That's not at all what I'm saying. When I brought up Naruto harming Kaguya with his jutsu, you brought up that she was immune to it like it wouldn't hurt her. So I was trying to say that Naruto, someone who possess Senjutsu and is using it while in this final form, should be perfectly capable of harming Kaguya with his jutsu's. In fact, the two people most actively using jutsus through that fight should be perfectly capable of harming kaguya with their ninjutsu. That being Naruto and Sasuke.
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Doesn't say anything about effectiveness just that the Jutsu Naruto used and Naruto in general is unpredictable.
Are you sure that the "Exclamation Mark" was in response to the punch and not in response to Naruto doing a Jutsu?
This could very well be a scenario where a character is reacting in advance towards an attack or ability.
Are we now going to separate Kaguya's Durability by using an accepted outlier feat?
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I’m sorry, was Sakura punching Kaguya just brought up unironically
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Yes
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That’s a major yikes
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Taijutsu is not a weakness for Juubi Jins, it's only ever effective if you are either comparable or more powerful.
Madara VS Guy - Guy was physically more powerful than Madara.
Kaguya VS Naruto - Naruto is somewhat comparable to Kaguya but still needs to either catch her off guard or amp his physical attacks.
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Does Kaguya even count as a Juubi jinchūriki when she just is the Juubi?
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Regardless of that she still inherits the Invulnerability of Juubi Jinchuriki
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The only thing that differentiates Kaguya from the other Otsutsuki is that she's fused herself to a Shinju Tree/Jubi.
The Jubi itself doesn't have this Invulnerability only those that absorb/seal/fuse with it have it
The Jubi itself doesn't have this Invulnerability only those that absorb/seal/fuse with it have it
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Ok.
Naruto sent her flying and Sakura said "it worked" and Naruto taunted her.
They flashback to it to show Naruto's effectiveness with Taijutsu.
Why would Naruto flashback to his effectiveness if Kaguya wasn't harmed by it?
She was sent flying to the point where Naruto could yell, Sasuke says now, and they almost seal her.
Kaguya does not scale to Naruto's taijutsu, ever. Naruto socked her, Naruto chopped her arm off, Naruto bodied her. Enough.
You know Kaguya is one with nature right, so nature amps (senjutsu) are kinda ehhhh dumb too.
Sasuke has made Kaguya bleed. So we know that it's in their capability to hurt them right?
Sasuke needs multiple slices to overpower Madara's meteor.
Naruto can apply more force with 1 regular bijuu rasenshuriken casually.
Bijuu Rasenshuriken > Susanoo Slice.
Sasuke's one slice makes Kaguya bleed.
9 of Naruto's even stronger Rasenshurikens, basically 9x Sasuke's slice potency, doesn't make her bleed.
9 Super Bijuu Rasenshurikens > Super Bijuu Rasenshuriken > Bijuu Rasenshuriken > Susanoo slice > Kaguya's durability.
What you're arguing is this.
Kaguya's Durability > 9 Super Bijuu Rasenshurikens > Super Bijuu Rasenshuriken > Bijuu Rasenshuriken > Susanoo slice > Kaguya's durability.
Ehh I'd say she's pretty resistant or immune from what I'm seeing.
She flies, uses truthseeking orbs, can use yin-yang release, can use every regular nature, seems like she has Juubi Jin qualities.
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Literally the only other feat that counts against this point is used as an "outlier" since God Kaguya isn't allowed to have weaknesses to punches.
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Taking things out of context with the whole "It worked" thing?
That was Sakura's reaction to Naruto using Sexy Jutsu to distract and land a hit on Kaguya not in reaction to the effectiveness of his attack
Did I say that she wasn't harmed by it? No.
Naruto flashbacks and thinks about his previous strategy and applies it to the current situation, "A Feint and Taijutsu", not how effective Taijutsu is.
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Fair
So why are you trying to scale her to it?
A feint (shows a feint) and taijutsu (shows taijutsu), then says "I can't use feints anymore, so taijutsu" on the next page.
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Idek how the hell we derailed to this.
I sent my explanation on how Naruto during the last ≠ Naruto WA, and nobody countered. Everyone just strawmanned with "YoU cAnT pOsSiBlY bElIeVe ThAt ToNeRi HaS mOrE aP tHaN kAgUyA".
Counter my initial point so this thread can be over this.
I sent my explanation on how Naruto during the last ≠ Naruto WA, and nobody countered. Everyone just strawmanned with "YoU cAnT pOsSiBlY bElIeVe ThAt ToNeRi HaS mOrE aP tHaN kAgUyA".
Counter my initial point so this thread can be over this.
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Kaguya is able to tank multiple Rasenshuriken and punches to the head from Naruto with only little damage, and is only ever shown to bleed by sharp attacks (Naruto's Chakra Claw and Sasuke's Susanoo Sword) or Durability Negating attacks (Kamui Raikiri)
Still doesn't show that Taijutsu is more effective, just that it was Naruto's only option because Kaguya can absorb his Jutsu and won't be distracted by Sexy Jutsu.
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We clearly have different veiws on the definition of "tank", so let's agree to disagree.
Let's also act like Rasenshuriken isn't sharp.
And let's act like I didn't send this
I'll just ignore this since it doesn't add or subtract from the OP.
Explain why anyone during WA scales to GWRE and we're good.
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Tanking is basically taking an attack head on or off guard with little to no damage.
But maybe for you it means absolutely taking no damage from attacks.
Only the Wind Style Rasenshuriken has a piercing/cutting effect, two are explosive/burning (Fire and Lava), one is acid, etc.
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@OneBleachHurricane there is not a single reasoning on why Kaguya's superior to Toneri except "he should be comparable to her".
Hamura's comparable to Hagoromo who defeated Kaguya and sealed her.
Toneri has his power and the power of thousands of other Otsutsuki's sitting in his eye sockets, including Hamura.
Widely accepted ≠ Correct. We have a fallacy page for a reason, appeal to popularity is literally what these ratings are being based on.
All he said was "the fandom agrees with this, so let's leave it". The wiki is for accurate ratings, not fanmade ones.
All I'm hearing is "stronger". Kaguya was "stronger" than Naruto and Sasuke, but they could make her bleed and harm her.
We are talking about Attack Potency. Stop using "stronger" justifications, especially when the justification is a scaling chain full of people we've never seen fight.
Either find a statement or a feat that shows that Kaguya > Toneri ATTACK POTENCY WISE, not technique wise (switch dimensions, bones that make people crumble, truthseeking orbs with a shit ton of hax) and so on.
Enough with the headcanon and the "we already agreed" i don't care if you already agreed. This is flawed scaling, and using it because a lot of people agree is worst than an "Agree FRA" train.
Hamura's comparable to Hagoromo who defeated Kaguya and sealed her.
Toneri has his power and the power of thousands of other Otsutsuki's sitting in his eye sockets, including Hamura.
Widely accepted ≠ Correct. We have a fallacy page for a reason, appeal to popularity is literally what these ratings are being based on.
All he said was "the fandom agrees with this, so let's leave it". The wiki is for accurate ratings, not fanmade ones.
SPSM Naruto sent her flying with punches and scales to Sasuke who made her bleed with regular Susanoo slashes
Baseless
What makes him weaker than Hamura?
AP wise? Baseless
All I'm hearing is "stronger". Kaguya was "stronger" than Naruto and Sasuke, but they could make her bleed and harm her.
We are talking about Attack Potency. Stop using "stronger" justifications, especially when the justification is a scaling chain full of people we've never seen fight.
Either find a statement or a feat that shows that Kaguya > Toneri ATTACK POTENCY WISE, not technique wise (switch dimensions, bones that make people crumble, truthseeking orbs with a shit ton of hax) and so on.
Enough with the headcanon and the "we already agreed" i don't care if you already agreed. This is flawed scaling, and using it because a lot of people agree is worst than an "Agree FRA" train.
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
Additionally, SPSM Naruto from Part II fought Kaguya (to an extent), who's much superior to Toneri. Toneri is at best comparable to Hamura, who's weaker than Hagoromo, who's in turn weaker than Kaguya. It's really simple and widely accepted, so please let's not unnecessarily overcomplicate such a simple thing.
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I'm sorry but if I'm sent flying, that means I didn't tank it.
Oh really?
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