Damage I mean this in the most respectful way possible. Please re-read the thread. Sasuke was not going all out. His ems was not activated vs kinshiki but that doesn’t disprove kinshiki being moon level because sasuke has also fought people such as kaguya and Naruto without his ems activated and was still relative to them in power.
did u even read the thread honestly. The main argument is that naruto as sasuke would scale to the sum of momoshiki and kinshiki so why did u feel the need to put six paths naruto is greatest superior to momoshiki. I literally agree on that
Actually him holding back was actually allowing himself to be captured so they don’t destroy the village
Could u explain to me how it’s convoluted and wonky. I am a bit confused
We literally see fused momoshiki rag doll sasuke but when he activated his ems he is relative to fused momoshiki. It’s also stated in the itachi novel that it’s a several times amp. although I cannot find the scan, I have already given you the proof to why it’s a physical buff
If u don’t have any other arguements against it then I’m taking it as u agreeing with this.
That statement never said anything about strength.
Oh my bad. The scale still stands up with the other proof I have given
And why not scale? I was just referring to Madara 3 Rinnegan, Kaguya and Hagoromo. Is there any reason Momoshiki is stronger than these 3? As far as I know, there is even a declaration by Kishimoto that Naruto and Sasuke would be nerfed in the new generation, as well as the villains. Basically Momoshiki was obliterated by Sasuke and Naruto who are reportedly inferior to their versions of the war.
And where is that statement by Kishimoto? Last time I checked another one of those "statements" was that Madara was as strong as Nappa lol
This is not the thread for this momoshiki by lore is above all of those people maybe except hagoromo but this is not the thread
Also kishimoto never stated naruto and sasuke got weaker he only said the scale of the battles will feel less because it’s about kids. He was referring to the new gen and not naruto and sasuke. Naruto got Hashirama cells and the second half of kurama while sasuke mastered his rinnegan and right hand. How tf did they get weaker
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For example if someone had a bankai and someone’s base scales to it. And then that person uses a bankai, shouldn’t you upscale? That’s basically what this thread is
IIRC the OP never said that they wanted Fused Momoshiki, Sasuke nor Naruto to be Low 5-B, they even pointed out that Fused Momoshiki would only 5-C+ (400ish Exatons) and that Sasuke and SPSM Naruto would just scale above Fused Momoshiki being 5-C+ individually.
Please re-read the arguement I literally proved why it isn’t a circular scale
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In the arguement I said that kinshiki scales to sasuke with the base sharingan and sasuke with the ems scales to Momoshiki. I showed proof of momoshiki rag dolling sasuke with base sharingan but when he activated his ems he is able to send Momoshiki flying. Also even if u think they aren’t as strong as Momoshiki individually they are still at least relative to him because with the proof I showed they can send him flying and even out speed him sometimes. Although using the dog-snake attack that comes out from the ground and monkey rock he scales above them individually but that doesn’t matter because base fused momoshiki should still be about 398 Exatons
He scales directly to a sasuke in that is not using ems. And even if he doesn’t he is still relative to a sasuke who should be above or equal to the toneri moving the moon calc
Oh, so sorry for the mistake. But there is still a problem. What is the justification for Kinshiki being above Toneri? It would be the fact that he keeps with Sasuke, right? If so, this still leads to a circular scale as they:
Sasuke with Mangekyou Sharingan doesn't make his AP stronger.
Sasuke's own profile says he was Mountain level+ in CS2, only being town level in base. Then his MS key says he's Mountain level+ with MS. Why is MS an upgrade for Sasuke if it doesn't make his AP stronger? What made Sasuke stronger and equal to CS2 if not for MS?
I proved why it does in the thread
The current profiles are very bad. They're still being revised as we speak. Please ignore them
Like I said sasuke’s ems gives him an amp. If u had just watched the scene in the thread u would know that momoshiki rag dolls sasuke and Naruto then naruto uses spsm and sasuke activated his ems and they’re individually able to send him flying and even out speed him. The ems is an amp.
Oh okay, I thought they were revised already. My bad. We should get part 2 stuff more sorted out before all these god tier discussions imo.
If we go by the Anime, Sasuke was worried about his fight with Kinshiki dragging out and he slightly stumbled after dodging Kinshiki's attack which maybe indicates that he wasn't at his best during their fight.
its still doesn’t change the fact that sasuke’s ems not being activated was a big influence in the momoshiki fight and I showed proof above. Also I’m not trying to say kinshiki scales to moon level bc of sasuke. This is just to debunk the whole how come sasuke scales to kinshiki and fused Momoshiki
Also it was about to become a 2v1
This is a bit contentious so I think we should just leave it at they scale to fused momoshiki individually to avoid unnecessary debates
