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IIRC it was for pressuring a Sasuke that was either not at his best condition or not going all out
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Naruto-Boruto Low 5-B Upscale
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they would only be 200 Exatons each.
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Because he exists (The Last, Retsuden novels, Shinden novels).
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The OP believes that Fused Momoshiki = Moon Level + via Base Momoshiki + Kinshiki
And that SPSM Naruto and NE Sasuke scale to Fused Momoshiki
The reasoning being that both Naruto and Sasuke weren't at their best condition when fighting Fused Momoshiki
Which would still be
NE Sasuke = NE Naruto > BSM Naruto = Toneri
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Naruto I can understand but this doesnt make sense for Sasuke considering he was struggling with Kinshiki earlier
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The OP argued that the Mangekyo raises Sasuke's AP
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OP's reasoning, I believe, is basically that Sasuke was "Not going all out" or that he wasn't using his EMS I think
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So what is in fact being argued is that "Not going all out Sasuke" = New Era Naruto > BSM Naruto?
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Yee
This was against fused Momo and Kinshiki the second time.
Makes it seem weird that Regular Sharingan + Rinnegan Sasuke is relative to Kinshiki via portal fatigue and without portal fatigue.
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So Kinshiki is downscaling from a Fatigued New Era Sasuke?
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My question is
Where is the basis on the rating of moon level "fatigued" Sasuke?
Where is the basis on the rating of moon level "fatigued" Sasuke?
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I dont buy the Idea that Sasuke was so Significantly weaker and could jump nearly 200 exatons by using his EMS.
either Sasuke and Kinshiki are relative or Sasuke is that much weaker to put Kinshiki's Moon level scaling into question.
either Sasuke and Kinshiki are relative or Sasuke is that much weaker to put Kinshiki's Moon level scaling into question.
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Well if we go by Manga, IIRC his only feats against Fused Momoshiki are knocking him away, slicing his Wood constructs, and taking hits from him.
While in the Anime, his capable of holding his own against Fused Momoshiki.
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I'm seeing 2 problems.
In the scenario where the OP is correct and EMS is a boost
In the scenario where the OP is incorrect and EMS is not a boost
In the scenario where the OP is correct and EMS is a boost
- You'd have to quantify the boost to see how strong Sasuke is without EMS, which cannot canonically be done.
- You'd have to find out what value Sasuke scales to.
- You'd need a valid reason to scale Sasuke to BSM The Last Naruto and Toneri's feat.
In the scenario where the OP is incorrect and EMS is not a boost
- You'd have an issue where Kinshiki ~ Sasuke ~ Fused Momoshiki.
- You'd have an issue where the strength gap isn't justifiable.
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my answer to this is that Sasuke isn't comparable to fused momoshiki without Susanoo.
his legit only feats in the manga is knocking Momoshiki towards the ground and cutting his wood things. in contrast naruto straight up overwhelms Momoshiki.
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Question, what exactly is the issue with Kinshiki being slightly weaker than Sasuke? In the scenario that the OP is accepted, Sasuke’s AP would be twice that of Kinshiki’s. Kinshiki being half as powerful as Sasuke but still able to keep up doesn’t seem too unreasonable IMO.
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I agree with tracer. The author isn’t thinking about Sasuke being 200 exatons stronger than kinshiki. But being half of his strength isn’t outlandish.
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- There would be no reason for Sasuke to hold back if he could've violated him easily.
- There'd be no reason for him to not have killed Kinshiki easily.
- Kinshiki was shown as a threat to him and Sasuke needed to put in effort to fight him in every canon media.
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Don't get me wrong, if yall wanna say 2x is good enough, that's fine by me. I'm not arguing that 2x is just wrong, despite my previous message which may hint to it.
I'm just saying, it feels too weird for a situation of that magnitude to happen.
I'm just saying, it feels too weird for a situation of that magnitude to happen.
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Let’s use the anime feats for Boruto as I stated above the anime is more canon.
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How is the anime more canon?
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They have authority to change things and remove stuff from the manga. Also the anime canon arcs that didn’t happen in the manga like Mitsuki retrieval or Kawaki not going to the leaf first but instead meeting sumire. Like the anime showing Sarada learning the chidori or showing Victor more.
The anime canon is the main canon of Boruto.
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What stuff has been removed from the manga's canon?
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Naruto chasing down Kawaki. A lot of scenes that I can explain in the thread for it. I’ll prepare the thread shortly maybe tmr I don’t wanna spam CRTs
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I'd have to see the examples to be convinced.
But my preference has always been to just treat them as two different canons.
But my preference has always been to just treat them as two different canons.
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Aye relax, not a lot of people watch the anime consistently. I didn't even know there was that many switchups. I thought it was just added scenes
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I will be going over the characters that change.
Fused Momoshiki: Moon Level+
Naruto: Moon Level+,Small Planet Level with majestic attire susano, At least Small Planet Level with Baryon mode.
Sasuke: Moon Level+, Small Planet Level with majestic attire susano
Isshiki: At least Small Planet Level with partial otsutsuki form, far high in true form
Code: At least Small Planet Level
Eida: At least Small Planet Level
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Sorry if I sounded hostile but it was a legitimate point a lot of people play ignorance to have the other person go the extra mile to prove their point. I am well informed to how people do not watch the anime consistently so they miss the things that they change.
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This is not what I’m sayin. Sasuke while fatigued and no ems=kinshiki. Sasuke with ems=Fused momoshiki
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No issues man, and thanks for explaining (I do that too sometimes iwel)
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I mean, base Momo could harm SPSM Nardo and knock him out too even though Nardo ≈ Fused Momo
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Question.
What warrants an "At least" for the Small Planet level?
The gap between baseline Low 5-B and 5-B is 137x. Saying 137 is insinuating that it's possible for it to be close to that value, which isn't possible.
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Actually, an ‘At least’ doesn’t require you to be close to the next tier. Going off of its definition from the Attack Potency page, an ‘At least’ rating:
Now, if it was something like ‘Small Planet level, likely higher,’ that would require them to be near the next tier.
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Oof, nvm then
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He was holding back and got captured on purpose this is known
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For all the people that think it’s weird for sasuke to be 2x stronger than kinshiki I encourage you to go and watch the anime’s depiction of the fight. Base sharingan and rinnegan sasuke literally gets his ass whooped and rag dolled by fused momoshiki. Then he literally activated his ems and all of a sudden he was on fused momoshikis level. Sasuke had to teleport and fight enemies he didn’t know and on top of that it was about to become a 2v1 when momoshiki appeared
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