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Naruto-Boruto Low 5-B Upscale

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Introduction:
Hello there, It's me again with another thread on this topic. The 355 Exaton Toneri Calc was butchered which was the calc that was holding up my argument but that is not the only way the God Tiers in Naruto-Boruto are justifiably Low 5B. I hope that you can understand my arguments behind this scaling. Please refrain from trying to scale Naruto and Sasuke individually to Low 5B as that is not the purpose of this thread.

Argument:
Toneri was accepted as being able to output roughly 199.3 Exatons of Tnt. Using simple math we can find out that the feat would be 2.17x weaker than the baseline for Low 5B which is 433 Exatons of Tnt. We know that Momoshiki and Kinshiki should scale to this feat individually. Kinshiki is able to fight a Adult Sasuke who should be supirior to BSM Naruto from the last. We also know that Momoshiki should be supirior to Kinshiki.

Later on during the story, Momoshiki and Kinshiki are forced to fuse together. To prove that it is a direct addition of their power, it is stated verbatim that Kinshiki had directly passed on this power to Momoshiki.(I will link proof below)

This would put Fused Momoshiki at Moon Level+(199.3 Exatons+199.3 Exatons=398.6 Exatons). This is roughly 1.09 times weaker than the baseline for Small Planet Level.

Naruto and Sasuke would scale above this individually because they're shown out speeding and sending Momoshiki flying. It is not an outlier because Sasuke did not even use his Ems to fight Kinshiki(i will link proof below)and is gettig overwhelmed by fused Momoshiki until he activates it only activates it(I will link proof belwo). It’s also stated that when sasuke travels to kaguya’s dimensions that his ocular powers diminish. We know ocular powers amp physical strength too based on what madara getting the second rinnegan did to him. Supporting proof of this is when sasuke is getting his ass whooped by kyubi chakra amped naruto but when he gets the 3 tomoe sharingan he’s starts to beat naruto. It’s also stated that it was because his ocular powers had diminished that he did so poorly against shin. So yes his ocular powers affect his fights a lot.( I will link proof below) as well as base Naruto somewhat keepup with Fused Momoshiki unlike the other kage who got one shot. (I will link proof below) although while using Inukaitakerunomikoto and Monkey Rock he would scale to or above them.(I will link proof below)

This would then mean that the MAS(Majestic Attire Susano) would pass the baseline for Small Planet Level as it Stated to be combine the power of the ninetails and susano in the databooks( i will link proof below) and in this case it would be a six paths sage kurama amped avatar + a six paths rinnegan amped susano. It is a simple case of 398.6 Exatons + 398.6 Exatons=797.2 Exatons of Tnt>433 Exatons of Tnt (Small Planet Level Baseline)

Characters It will Affect:
Naruto (New Era): should be put in between baryon mode and far higher with the kurama avatar. It should say Small planet level with MAS although cannot perform this on his own and then Baryon mode should be at least Small Planet level( Should be supirior to the Majestic Attire Susano).

Naruto (part II war arc): Small Planet Level with Majestic attire susano although he cannot perform this on his own and same with sasuke.

Sasuke (New Era): after far higher with susano and same wording as naruto

Isshiki: Although isshiki never fought the MAS, it is stated numerous times that no matter what naruto and sasuke do they would not be able to even harm jigen(I will link the scans below). I also don't think it would be smart to try and argue isshiki wouldn't scale to the mas because if it was that easy Naruto and sasuke would just have used it instead of them being so desperate and sacrificing kurama. Naruto and Sasuke also came in with the mindset that they were going to die(i will link scans below) so if they could just have brought it out and beat isshiki they would just have done it. It should say At Least Small Planet Level with Partial Otsutsuki Transformation.(Should be superior to Mas) and with true form At Least Small Planet Level( far stronger than before).

Code: should be superior to Jigen without his limiters.

Eida: should be superior to Jigen.

Characters it might potentially affect:
kaguya
momoshiki
hagoromo
madara
(Depending on how these characters are scaled)

Proof:
Kinshiki directly passed down his power to Momoshiki: https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_7_039.jpg

Base naruto vs fused momoshiki: https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_8_021.jpg

Sasuke and Naruto Overwhelm Fused Momoshiki individually: https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_8_024.jpg

Sasuke ems not activated vs kinshiki:
Sasuke gets shit on by fused momoshiki so he activates his ems and is now relative to Fused momoshiki:
sasuke says travelling to Kaguyas dimensions diminish his ocular powers: https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/narutog_08-017.png

Naruto Databook statement: https://narutoversity.wordpress.com/fourth-databook-jutsu-files/

Naruto Says he and sasuke are not capable of beating jigen: https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_38_030.jpg

Sasuke says naruto and sasuke could not make a dent against Jigen: https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_38_030.jpg

Amado says no one can stop isshiki : https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_46_040.png

sasuke says the only way to beat him is to wait till his life runs out:https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_51_015.jpg

kashin koji says that sasuke helping naruto wouldn't change the outcome of the jigen fight. he is a reliable source in this case because he worked alongside Amado for years to defeat isshiki:https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_39_015.jpg

Naruto and Sasuke prepare for death if they fight isshiki and consider themselves lucky for not dying: https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_51_031.jpg https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/AnimeRleases/BR_51_032.jpg https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/mangap/651/10055000/14.jpeg.

Conclusion:
In conclusion Momoshiki and Kinshiki would scale to Toneri's feat individually and then their power gets added together would make fused momoshiki Moon Level+ with 398.6 Exatons Ap.Naruto and Sasuke then scale to the combination individually, they then fuse to make the Majestic attire susano which should surpass the baseline for Small Planet Level as well as people above them and anyone that scales to fused momoshiki should also be upgraded back to Moon Level+

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I agree for now.

Also, what else would this mean for the 5-C+ characters that got downgraded to 5-C? At least, the ones that are arguably comparable to Fused Momoshiki?
 

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I agree with Fused Momoshiki’s AP being Momo + Kin, as well as Naruto, Sasuke, Jigen, etc scaling to him.
 
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Jigen should obviously scale above majestic attire susanoo
Naruto and Sasuke are shown to use it against Momoshiki so it is even in character yet they state they can do nothing against Jigen
 
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Wouldn't sIx PaThs saGe MoDE Naruto in Boruto upscale to 5-C+ as well, considering he's older and more powerful than he was in The Last, and Six Paths Sage Mode is far more powerful than Kurama Mode by at least 10x, which is far more powerful than Nine-Tails Chakra Mode which Naruto used to one-shot Tenseigan Chakra Mode Toneri, or is that a no-go?
 
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Wouldn't sIx PaThs saGe MoDE Naruto in Boruto upscale to 5-C+ as well, considering he's older and more powerful than he was in The Last, and Six Paths Sage Mode is far more powerful than Kurama Mode by at least 10x, which is far more powerful than Nine-Tails Chakra Mode which Naruto used to one-shot Tenseigan Chakra Mode Toneri, or is that a no-go?
I specifically stated to refrain from arguing them low 5B individually in the intro make another thread for that
 
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I have a bit of uncertainty about the fusion of Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally adding (1+1) to the power of Momo. Kinshiki scales with Sasuke as FTL, and Momoshiki also scales as FTL, if the AP of Momoshiki is doubled, does that mean the same happens with speed, or not? after all, he clearly got faster...

But if it is somehow considered just for AP, then I agree. And I also agree that should scale to Naruto's God tiers, not just Boruto's.
 
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I have a bit of uncertainty about the fusion of Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally adding (1+1) to the power of Momo. Kinshiki scales with Sasuke as FTL, and Momoshiki also scales as FTL, if the AP of Momoshiki is doubled, does that mean the same happens with speed, or not? after all, he clearly got faster...

But if it is somehow considered just for AP, then I agree. And I also agree that should scale to Naruto's God tiers, not just Boruto's.
For speed if we say that momoshiki and kinshiki scales to Narutos light fang calc or delta calc individually, fused momo about would be 4-5 times ftl and the majestic attire susano would be possibly FTl+ along side isshiki and so on but if you say that they don’t scale to those feats individually that would be fine. I think they would be FTL+ but this is not the thread for it. If this thread is accepted then I will more than likely do a thread on FTl+ Naruto-Boruto god tiers in the future
 
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I have a bit of uncertainty about the fusion of Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally adding (1+1) to the power of Momo. Kinshiki scales with Sasuke as FTL, and Momoshiki also scales as FTL, if the AP of Momoshiki is doubled, does that mean the same happens with speed, or not? after all, he clearly got faster...

But if it is somehow considered just for AP, then I agree. And I also agree that should scale to Naruto's God tiers, not just Boruto's.
1+1 is also a lowball because it’s literally stated momoshiki can double what he absorbs and add his how power to the sum so it’s a lowball.
 
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For speed if we say that momoshiki and kinshiki scales to Narutos light fang calc or delta calc individually, fused momo about would be 4-5 times ftl and the majestic attire susano would be possibly FTl+ along side isshiki and so on but if you say that they don’t scale to those feats individually that would be fine. I think they would be FTL+ but this is not the thread for it. If this thread is accepted then I will more than likely do a thread on FTl+ Naruto-Boruto god tiers in the future
I think that just because I mentioned speed, the "1+1" scale will be refused 😳
 

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Toneri was accepted as being able to output roughly 199.3 Exatons of Tnt. Using simple math we can find out that the feat would be 2.17x weaker than the baseline for Low 5B which is 433 Exatons of Tnt. We know that Momoshiki and Kinshiki should scale to this feat individually. Kinshiki is able to fight a Adult Sasuke who should be supirior to BSM Naruto from the last. We also know that Momoshiki should be supirior to Kinshiki.

Later on during the story, Momoshiki and Kinshiki are forced to fuse together. To prove that it is a direct addition of their power, it is stated verbatim that Kinshiki had directly passed on this power to Momoshiki.(I will link proof below)

This would Fused Momoshiki at Moon Level+(199.3 Exatons+199.3 Exatons=398.6 Exatons). This is roughly 1.09 times weaker than the baseline for Small Planet Level.

Isn't this bad circular scaling? You're scalin Kinshiki to be equal to Adult Sasuke who you're then scaling to be equal to somebody twice as powerful as Kinshiki.

And last I checked Momoshiki was supposed to get an Unknown value for his base ratings, and have a Varies rating for his ability to absorb Ninjutsu and send it back.

It's also implied that Six Paths Naruto is greatly superior to Momoshiki since he could easily have blasted back his attack, but he was holding himself back.
 
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But if it is somehow considered just for AP, then I agree. And I also agree that should scale to Naruto's God tiers, not just Boruto's.
Hell to the no.

I agree with the Op it makes complete sense to me.
Isn't this bad circular scaling? You're scalin Kinshiki to be equal to Adult Sasuke who you're then scaling to be equal to somebody twice as powerful as Kinshiki.
he’s scaling adult sasuke without EMS to => kinshiki and then Ems to =< fused Momoshiki if I’m not mistaken. That seems pretty solid imo we know Ems can greatly enhance the users strength so it’s not outlandish.
It's also implied that Six Paths Naruto is greatly superior to Momoshiki since he could easily have blasted back his attack, but he was holding himself back.
Regardless of him holding back he still got hurt by the attack showing Momoshiki had to be relative to hurt Naruto. It’s not like him holding back would severely decrease his dura.
 

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Regardless of him holding back he still got hurt by the attack showing Momoshiki had to be relative to hurt Naruto. It’s not like him holding back would severely decrease his dura.
Normally sure, it doesnt mean Momoshiki is literally multiple tiers below but for stuff like Upscaling having as close to precise values or scaling is extremely Important.
 
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Isn't this bad circular scaling? You're scalin Kinshiki to be equal to Adult Sasuke who you're then scaling to be equal to somebody twice as powerful as Kinshiki.

And last I checked Momoshiki was supposed to get an Unknown value for his base ratings, and have a Varies rating for his ability to absorb Ninjutsu and send it back.

It's also implied that Six Paths Naruto is greatly superior to Momoshiki since he could easily have blasted back his attack, but he was holding himself back.
Damage I mean this in the most respectful way possible. Please re-read the thread. Sasuke was not going all out. His ems was not activated vs kinshiki but that doesn’t disprove kinshiki being moon level because sasuke has also fought people such as kaguya and Naruto without his ems activated and was still relative to them in power.
 
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Isn't this bad circular scaling? You're scalin Kinshiki to be equal to Adult Sasuke who you're then scaling to be equal to somebody twice as powerful as Kinshiki.

And last I checked Momoshiki was supposed to get an Unknown value for his base ratings, and have a Varies rating for his ability to absorb Ninjutsu and send it back.

It's also implied that Six Paths Naruto is greatly superior to Momoshiki since he could easily have blasted back his attack, but he was holding himself back.
did u even read the thread honestly. The main argument is that naruto as sasuke would scale to the sum of momoshiki and kinshiki so why did u feel the need to put six paths naruto is greatest superior to momoshiki. I literally agree on that
 
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Hell to the no.

I agree with the Op it makes complete sense to me.

he’s scaling adult sasuke without EMS to => kinshiki and then Ems to =< fused Momoshiki if I’m not mistaken. That seems pretty solid imo we know Ems can greatly enhance the users strength so it’s not outlandish.

Regardless of him holding back he still got hurt by the attack showing Momoshiki had to be relative to hurt Naruto. It’s not like him holding back would severely decrease his dura.
Actually him holding back was actually allowing himself to be captured so they don’t destroy the village
 

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Damage I mean this in the most respectful way possible. Please re-read the thread. Sasuke was not going all out. His ems was not activated vs kinshiki but that doesn’t disprove kinshiki being moon level because sasuke has also fought people such as kaguya and Naruto without his ems activated and was still relative to them in power.
did u even read the thread honestly. The main argument is that naruto as sasuke would scale to the sum of momoshiki and kinshiki so why did u feel the need to put six paths naruto is greatest superior to momoshiki. I literally agree on that

I don't know why you felt the need to respond to me twice. Why does Sasuke's EMS being active make him physically twice as powerful?
 
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I don't know why you felt the need to respond to me twice. Why does Sasuke's EMS being active make him physically twice as powerful?
We literally see fused momoshiki rag doll sasuke but when he activated his ems he is relative to fused momoshiki. It’s also stated in the itachi novel that it’s a several times amp. although I cannot find the scan, I have already given you the proof to why it’s a physical buff
 
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We literally see fused momoshiki rag doll sasuke but when he activated his ems he is relative to fused momoshiki. It’s also stated in the itachi novel that it’s a several times amp. although I cannot find the scan, I have already given you the proof to why it’s a physical buff
If u don’t have any other arguements against it then I’m taking it as u agreeing with this.
 

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It’s also stated in the itachi novel that it’s a several times amp. although I cannot find the scan, I have already given you the proof to why it’s a physical buff
That statement never said anything about strength.
It was about the amount of chakra Shisui could put into someone's head using Koto.
Which was several times higher than a regular person.
 
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That statement never said anything about strength.
It was about the amount of chakra Shisui could put into someone's head using Koto.
Which was several times higher than a regular person.
Oh my bad. The scale still stands up with the other proof I have given
 
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Hell to the no.
And why not scale? I was just referring to Madara 3 Rinnegan, Kaguya and Hagoromo. Is there any reason Momoshiki is stronger than these 3? As far as I know, there is even a declaration by Kishimoto that Naruto and Sasuke would be nerfed in the new generation, as well as the villains. Basically Momoshiki was obliterated by Sasuke and Naruto who are reportedly inferior to their versions of the war.
 
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And why not scale? I was just referring to Madara 3 Rinnegan, Kaguya and Hagoromo. Is there any reason Momoshiki is stronger than these 3? As far as I know, there is even a declaration by Kishimoto that Naruto and Sasuke would be nerfed in the new generation, as well as the villains. Basically Momoshiki was obliterated by Sasuke and Naruto who are reportedly inferior to their versions of the war.
And where is that statement by Kishimoto? Last time I checked another one of those "statements" was that Madara was as strong as Nappa lol
 
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And why not scale? I was just referring to Madara 3 Rinnegan, Kaguya and Hagoromo. Is there any reason Momoshiki is stronger than these 3? As far as I know, there is even a declaration by Kishimoto that Naruto and Sasuke would be nerfed in the new generation, as well as the villains. Basically Momoshiki was obliterated by Sasuke and Naruto who are reportedly inferior to their versions of the war.
This is not the thread for this momoshiki by lore is above all of those people maybe except hagoromo but this is not the thread
 
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And why not scale? I was just referring to Madara 3 Rinnegan, Kaguya and Hagoromo. Is there any reason Momoshiki is stronger than these 3? As far as I know, there is even a declaration by Kishimoto that Naruto and Sasuke would be nerfed in the new generation, as well as the villains. Basically Momoshiki was obliterated by Sasuke and Naruto who are reportedly inferior to their versions of the war.
Also kishimoto never stated naruto and sasuke got weaker he only said the scale of the battles will feel less because it’s about kids. He was referring to the new gen and not naruto and sasuke. Naruto got Hashirama cells and the second half of kurama while sasuke mastered his rinnegan and right hand. How tf did they get weaker
 
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I was with it before when they were very close to baseline Low 5B but I’m pretty sure the requirements to upscale are pretty strict so I’ll wait to see what others have to say
For example if someone had a bankai and someone’s base scales to it. And then that person uses a bankai, shouldn’t you upscale? That’s basically what this thread is
 
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Momoshiki, who was massacred by Naruto and Sasuke in the manga, only had a brief scene that dominated Naruto's avatar and nothing else. He was being accompanied for Base Naruto who resisted his blows. Looking at this now, it really looks like a circular scale:

Kinshiki is 5-C for keeping up with Sasuke ->Momoshiki is 5-C because is stronger than Kinshiki -> Momoshiki is Low 5-B for absorbing Kinshiki -> Sasuke is Low 5-B for overcoming fused Momoshiki .

In the end, it all leads to a circular scale with Sasuke. After all, Momoshiki Base and Kinshiki only scale above Toneri because Kinshiki keept up with Sasuke. The Sasuke who gives Kinshiki the 5-C scale, is the same Sasuke who rises to Low 5-B for facing Momoshiki fused...
 
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Kinshiki is 5-C for keeping up with Sasuke ->Momoshiki is 5-C because is stronger than Kinshiki -> Momoshiki is Low 5-B for absorbing Kinshiki -> Sasuke is Low 5-B for overcoming fused Momoshiki .
IIRC the OP never said that they wanted Fused Momoshiki, Sasuke nor Naruto to be Low 5-B, they even pointed out that Fused Momoshiki would only 5-C+ (400ish Exatons) and that Sasuke and SPSM Naruto would just scale above Fused Momoshiki being 5-C+ individually.

The only thing that the OP mentioned that would be Low 5-B would be Majestic Attire Susanoo
 
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Momoshiki, who was massacred by Naruto and Sasuke in the manga, only had a brief scene that dominated Naruto's avatar and nothing else. He was being accompanied for Base Naruto who resisted his blows. Looking at this now, it really looks like a circular scale:

Kinshiki is 5-C for keeping up with Sasuke ->Momoshiki is 5-C because is stronger than Kinshiki -> Momoshiki is Low 5-B for absorbing Kinshiki -> Sasuke is Low 5-B for overcoming fused Momoshiki .

In the end, it all leads to a circular scale with Sasuke. After all, Momoshiki Base and Kinshiki only scale above Toneri because Kinshiki keept up with Sasuke. The Sasuke who gives Kinshiki the 5-C scale, is the same Sasuke who rises to Low 5-B for facing Momoshiki fused...
Please re-read the arguement I literally proved why it isn’t a circular scale
 
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IIRC the OP never said that they wanted Fused Momoshiki, Sasuke nor Naruto to be Low 5-B, they even pointed out that Fused Momoshiki would only 5-C+ (400ish Exatons) and that Sasuke and SPSM Naruto would just scale above Fused Momoshiki being 5-C+ individually.

The only thing that the OP mentioned that would be Low 5-B would be Majestic Attire Susanoo
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Thank you🤝
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Hmmm, I don't see how Kinshiki can scale to Sasuke and then you say Sasuke scales to Fused Momoshiki, it's either one or the other

I do believe Kinshiki and Momoshiki should scale to Toneri tho and that Fused Momoshiki should be an addition of power, it just makes a whole lot of sense, the Majestic Attire Susanoo being Low 5-B makes sense in a way, but I'm not sure since I don't entirely think they scale to Fused Momoshiki
 
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Hmmm, I don't see how Kinshiki can scale to Sasuke and then you say Sasuke scales to Fused Momoshiki, it's either one or the other

I do believe Kinshiki and Momoshiki should scale to Toneri tho and that Fused Momoshiki should be an addition of power, it just makes a whole lot of sense, the Majestic Attire Susanoo being Low 5-B makes sense in a way, but I'm not sure since I don't entirely think they scale to Fused Momoshiki
In the arguement I said that kinshiki scales to sasuke with the base sharingan and sasuke with the ems scales to Momoshiki. I showed proof of momoshiki rag dolling sasuke with base sharingan but when he activated his ems he is able to send Momoshiki flying. Also even if u think they aren’t as strong as Momoshiki individually they are still at least relative to him because with the proof I showed they can send him flying and even out speed him sometimes. Although using the dog-snake attack that comes out from the ground and monkey rock he scales above them individually but that doesn’t matter because base fused momoshiki should still be about 398 Exatons
 
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Kinshiki doesn’t scale directly to Sasuke, he downscales from him.
He scales directly to a sasuke in that is not using ems. And even if he doesn’t he is still relative to a sasuke who should be above or equal to the toneri moving the moon calc
 
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IIRC the OP never said that they wanted Fused Momoshiki, Sasuke nor Naruto to be Low 5-B, they even pointed out that Fused Momoshiki would only 5-C+ (400ish Exatons) and that Sasuke and SPSM Naruto would just scale above Fused Momoshiki being 5-C+ individually.

The only thing that the OP mentioned that would be Low 5-B would be Majestic Attire Susanoo
Oh, so sorry for the mistake. But there is still a problem. What is the justification for Kinshiki being above Toneri? It would be the fact that he keeps with Sasuke, right? If so, this still leads to a circular scale as they:

They are 5-C due to Kinshiki keeps with Sasuke -> So Fused Momoshiki would be 5-C+ for absorbing Kinshiki -> And then Sasuke scale to 5-C+ for being above Fused Momoshiki.

And even if it is simply considered that Momoshiki and Kinshiki scales above Toneri, without needing to scale by Sasuke, it would still be strange like:

Momoshiki and Kinshiki are 5-C for being above Toneri -> Fused Momoshiki is 5-C+ for absorbing Kinshiki -> Sasuke is 5-C+ for being stronger than Fused Momoshiki -> However Kinshiki who is 5-C was able to fighting and pressed a little bit Sasuke what and 5-C+...

Is something wrong anyway, would Sasuke be way above Kinshiki, and yet he's pressured by Kinshiki himself?
 
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He scales directly to a sasuke in that is not using ems. And even if he doesn’t he is still relative to a sasuke who should be above or equal to the toneri moving the moon calc
Sasuke with Mangekyou Sharingan doesn't make his AP stronger.
 
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Sasuke with Mangekyou Sharingan doesn't make his AP stronger.
Sasuke's own profile says he was Mountain level+ in CS2, only being town level in base. Then his MS key says he's Mountain level+ with MS. Why is MS an upgrade for Sasuke if it doesn't make his AP stronger? What made Sasuke stronger and equal to CS2 if not for MS?
 

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Sasuke's own profile says he was Mountain level+ in CS2, only being town level in base. Then his MS key says he's Mountain level+ with MS. Why is MS an upgrade for Sasuke if it doesn't make his AP stronger? What made Sasuke stronger and equal to CS2 if not for MS?
The current profiles are very bad. They're still being revised as we speak. Please ignore them
 
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Oh, so sorry for the mistake. But there is still a problem. What is the justification for Kinshiki being above Toneri? It would be the fact that he keeps with Sasuke, right? If so, this still leads to a circular scale as they:

They are 5-C due to Kinshiki keeps with Sasuke -> So Fused Momoshiki would be 5-C+ for absorbing Kinshiki -> And then Sasuke scale to 5-C+ for being above Fused Momoshiki.

And even if it is simply considered that Momoshiki and Kinshiki scales above Toneri, without needing to scale by Sasuke, it would still be strange like:

Momoshiki and Kinshiki are 5-C for being above Toneri -> Fused Momoshiki is 5-C+ for absorbing Kinshiki -> Sasuke is 5-C+ for being stronger than Fused Momoshiki -> However Kinshiki who is 5-C was able to fighting and pressed a little bit Sasuke what and 5-C+...

Is something wrong anyway, would Sasuke be way above Kinshiki, and yet he's pressured by Kinshiki himself?
Like I said sasuke’s ems gives him an amp. If u had just watched the scene in the thread u would know that momoshiki rag dolls sasuke and Naruto then naruto uses spsm and sasuke activated his ems and they’re individually able to send him flying and even out speed him. The ems is an amp.
 
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Is something wrong anyway, would Sasuke be way above Kinshiki, and yet he's pressured by Kinshiki himself?
If we go by the Anime, Sasuke was worried about his fight with Kinshiki dragging out and he slightly stumbled after dodging Kinshiki's attack which maybe indicates that he wasn't at his best during their fight.

Prior to the fight he opened a portal, during the fight he used teleportation, and after the fight he opened a portal to retreat.
 
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its still doesn’t change the fact that sasuke’s ems not being activated was a big influence in the momoshiki fight and I showed proof above. Also I’m not trying to say kinshiki scales to moon level bc of sasuke. This is just to debunk the whole how come sasuke scales to kinshiki and fused Momoshiki
 
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If we go by the Anime, Sasuke was worried about his fight with Kinshiki dragging out and he slightly stumbled after dodging Kinshiki's attack which maybe indicates that he wasn't at his best during their fight.

Prior to the fight he opened a portal, during the fight he used teleportation, and after the opened a portal to retreat.
Also it was about to become a 2v1
 

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Wasn't Naruto holding back in the entire fight, and was then further weakened because he got tortured after willingly allowing himself to be captured? And wasn't Sasuke explicitly exhausted from the teleporting? If either of them were at full power they'd easily be beating both Momoshiki and Kinshiki without even trying.
 
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Wasn't Naruto holding back in the entire fight, and was then further weakened because he got tortured after willingly allowing himself to be captured? And wasn't Sasuke explicitly exhausted from the teleporting? If either of them were at full power they'd easily be beating both Momoshiki and Kinshiki without even trying.
This is a bit contentious so I think we should just leave it at they scale to fused momoshiki individually to avoid unnecessary debates
 
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Base Naruto with black receivers inside his body after being drained for an hour > Fused Momoshiki after a handful of chakra pills > Fused Momoshiki.

I still fail to see the problem of the god tiers scaling above the arguably weakest and most pathetic villain of Boruto.
 
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Base Naruto with black receivers inside his body after being drained for an hour > Fused Momoshiki after a handful of chakra pills > Fused Momoshiki.

I still fail to see the problem of the god tiers scaling above the arguably weakest and most pathetic villain of Boruto.
1. Fused momoshiki wasn’t at peak when naruto killed him. 2. He was literally running on 4 pills when killer bee’s bijuu bomb was three. This proves that we was no we’re near his peak let alone stronger. 3. Narutos rasengans scale above him if they didn’t he wouldn’t use them 4. He is not pathetic nor the weakest take that stuff out my thread🙏🏾👍🏾
 
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1. Fused momoshiki wasn’t at peak when naruto killed him. 2. He was literally running on 4 pills when killer bee’s bijuu bomb was three. This proves that we was no we’re near his peak let alone stronger. 3. Narutos rasengans scale above him if they didn’t he wouldn’t use them 4. He is not pathetic nor the weakest take that stuff out my thread🙏🏾👍🏾
1. pills are used exactly to enhance and make a character stronger, and he ate five of those before getting rekt by base Naruto. Don't forget that he absorbed half of Naruto's chakra and was seen running away from far inferior Kage. And that the Naruto who killed Momoshiki had black receivers in his body, which can dull and disrupt the target's chakra flow.

2. I don't see the reason to focus on the quantity of chakra pills. The mere fact that Momoshiki can do that to grow stronger over the so-called "inferior lifeforms" already makes him look more pathetic than Urashiki.

3. Not good enough to excuse you out of getting destroyed by a weakened base Naruto with three black receivers in his body.

4. I shall not infest your thread any longer.
 

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it would be more manageable if we didn't have 3 threads everyday.
Yes, people should stop regurgitating so many threads in such a short timeframe. No offense meant to anyone, of course, but when no single thread is given a chance to breathe, all of the threads suffer equally in the end.

I think we need to somehow organize these threads, but I understand how insanely difficult that is with so many new members coming in every day. Perhaps we should reintroduce the "1 CRT at a time" rule for Naruto.
 
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And why not scale? I was just referring to Madara 3 Rinnegan, Kaguya and Hagoromo. Is there any reason Momoshiki is stronger than these 3? As far as I know, there is even a declaration by Kishimoto that Naruto and Sasuke would be nerfed in the new generation, as well as the villains. Basically Momoshiki was obliterated by Sasuke and Naruto who are reportedly inferior to their versions of the war.
There’s a legit discussion rule about scaling Narutos god tiers to Borutos god tiers…
 

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For now, I do agree that Naruto God Tiers can be upscaled to the next Tier, since they are close enough. Naruto can one shot a character that is 1.something behind the next Tier, and that's not even his strongest form. So yeah, for now, all characters that scales to SPSM Naruto (teen and adult) should be upscaled to Low 5-B. I don't know about Kinshiki though.
 
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