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No problem, sorry for misunderstanding your argument too.I’m not being rude. That’s just how u talk. My bad if I came off that way
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No problem, sorry for misunderstanding your argument too.I’m not being rude. That’s just how u talk. My bad if I came off that way
No problem, sorry for misunderstanding your argument too.
Naruto in the War arc concentrates chakra into his fistAnd you know for a fact that he wasn't concentrating his SPSM into his fist too?
This is cool and all but not relevant to this thread. Some people here got sidetracked from the purpose of this threadNaruto in the War arc concentrates chakra into his fist
Naruto in the Last concentrates chakra into his fist
Naruto is using SPSM when punching Madara, while he was in Base when punching Toneri. So yes he wasn't concentrating SPSM when fighting Toneri.
Vsbattle wiki believes that it was bam naruto that one shotted toneri and not baseI agree with OP.
Also shouldn't it be really easy to upgrade Naruto as well here?
BSM Naruto was shown to be equal to TCM Toneri while Base Naruto + concentrated punch was shown to be superior
Therefore SM Naruto + concentrated punch and SPSM Naruto + concentrated punch should be 10x or more.
Lmao what?Vsbattle wiki believes that it was bam naruto that one shotted toneri and not base
I think he added his senjutsu to his hand too cuz he had the sage mode eyes when he reverted back. Also bsm wasn’t equal to toneri. He just wasn’t trying until the end. It should also be noted that he was only using one half of kurama.Lmao what?
We literally see BSM Naruto being equal to Toneri, then Naruto reverts back into base, concentrates chakra into his fist and one shots him. He wasn't even in SM for it be counted as BSM lol.
He didn't. He was completely in baseI think he added his senjutsu to his hand too cuz he had the sage mode eyes when he reverted back.
BSM Naruto couldn't beat Toneri, while Base mode + concentrated chakra Naruto did. Whether he was trying or not won't change the fact that concentrated punch > BSMAlso bsm wasn’t equal to toneri. He just wasn’t trying until the end. It should also be noted that he was only using one half of kurama.
Bro if u rewatch the scene he was in bijuu sage mode. Then channeled the chakra from that mode into his hands. That’s why it looks like he is in baseHe didn't. He was completely in base
BSM Naruto couldn't beat Toneri, while Base mode + concentrated chakra Naruto did. Whether he was trying or not won't change the fact that concentrated punch > BSM
No it wouldn’t because there would be contention if it was his actual base or his base being amped by other forms which the latter is more than likely trueIMO it'll be easier to get low 5B by upscaling from base Naruto's feat.
IMO it'll be easier to get low 5B by upscaling from base Naruto's feat.
Yea he was in BSM, then Reverted back to base and channeled Kurama's chakra to his fist.Bro if u rewatch the scene he was in bijuu sage mode. Then channeled the chakra from that mode into his hands. That’s why it looks like he is in base
but feel free to make a CRT on it. So you can discuss it elsewhere
If I’m not mistaken. I think the Op wants to upscale majestic armor to 5-B and Ishiki.What is being argued here?
Also baryon mode, eida and codeIf I’m not mistaken. I think the Op wants to upscale majestic armor to 5-B and Ishiki.
Other people brought up that Naruto himself could upscale in the 6psm form and Sasuke but the Op said to make another thread for that?
He didnt concentrate all his power into his fist tho, he simply said all he needed to defeat him was a fist then deactivated kcm but left it on just his hands.Along with that, he quite literally dropped out of his form and concentrated that power into his arm.
What makes you think that his fist is not bathed in Six Paths Sage juices?
Yes they said he threw a punch with all his might, (threw - physical strength)If it is clarified that he used "all his might" in that attack, why would he also be holding back significantly?
Those who scale above 1.22X bsm narutoWhat is being argued here?
I see you keep saying thats not your argument. Its a CRT yes initial arguments change when things are brought up.Also baryon mode, eida and code
Yes but that is not the purpose of this thread. And it isn’t relevant to this thread.I see you keep saying thats not your argument. Its a CRT yes initial arguments change when things are brought up.
Thank youI’m pretty sure the Op can choose what they would like to discuss if it’s not necessary to their argument.
You could always go and make the thread yourself.
My thoughts exactly.Btw OP, I get what you're proposing, and we do agree with Majestic Attire being Low 5-B, but we're just saying that SOSP Mode Naruto would scale above BSM Naruto which in turn would make the Majestic Attire scaling to a higher level of Low 5-B.
Same thing?BSM >>>>>>>> KCSM
Yes I understand but the problem with this is that there is no definitive answer to how much of an increase is which will cause contention that is not necessary to this thread.Btw OP, I get what you're proposing, and we do agree with Majestic Attire being Low 5-B, but we're just saying that SOSP Mode Naruto would scale above BSM Naruto which in turn would make the Majestic Attire scaling to a higher level of Low 5-B.
So first of I will be debunking your jigen is only strong because of his hax. If I go and read chapter 37,38,49,50 and 51. U would know that jigen is physically stronger and faster than both naruto and sasuke combined and it’s not just hax. He never overpowered attacks on that level but it’s literally stated that no matter what naruto and sasuke do they can’t dent him of even damage him. Naruto gives isshiki a chakra arm barrage and isshiki takes no damage and blitzed naruto. Sasuke tries to use a chidori and isshiki catches it and knocks sasuke out in 2 hits. He then fights naruto and his shadow clones+ sasuke and they still can’t even touch him. He one shots both naruto and sasukes avatars which should be their peak. It’s even stated numerous times that their going all out but they still can’t do anything but let his life run out.I agree but an argument can be made that Naruto fused all the chakra in his arm to stop the attack. He is basically a chakra control to amp his ap as high as possible using. It's like his causal attacks are moon+. So like jigen scaling off this kinda weird considering hes never overpower attacks on that level. Jigen's main thing is just hax. Also sasuke doesn't scale to Naruto's high end attacks in ap like biju bombs ect. It's pretty much established thay naruto has wayy more power and DC.
Jigen destroying the planet is just do to him harvesting it with the god tree. It's clearly being taken out of context. That's like saying WB can destroy a planet lol.
Also yes adult sasuke scales to adult Naruto. Have u not watched the show? They’re described as equals and even if they weren’t equals, that’s not even the point of the arguement. The point is both naruto and sasuke individually would be vaguely above the toneri moon splitting feat which is all we need to get the majestic attire susano to Small Planet Level.So first of I will be debunking your jigen is only strong because of his hax. If I go and read chapter 37,38,49,50 and 51. U would know that jigen is physically stronger and faster than both naruto and sasuke combined and it’s not just hax. He never overpowered attacks on that level but it’s literally stated that no matter what naruto and sasuke do they can’t dent him of even damage him. Naruto gives isshiki a chakra arm barrage and isshiki takes no damage and blitzed naruto. Sasuke tries to use a chidori and isshiki catches it and knocks sasuke out in 2 hits. He then fights naruto and his shadow clones+ sasuke and they still can’t even touch him. He one shots both naruto and sasukes avatars which should be their peak. It’s even stated numerous times that their going all out but they still can’t do anything but let his life run out.
Is it? BSM which is Bijuu Mode + SM is different from KCSM which is KCM + SM.Same thing?
What hax Jigen is haxless compared to Sasuke and even Naruto is comparable in hax to himI agree but an argument can be made that Naruto fused all the chakra in his arm to stop the attack. He is basically a chakra control to amp his ap as high as possible using. It's like his causal attacks are moon+. So like jigen scaling off this kinda weird considering hes never overpower attacks on that level. Jigen's main thing is just hax. Also sasuke doesn't scale to Naruto's high end attacks in ap like biju bombs ect. It's pretty much established thay naruto has wayy more power and DC.
Jigen destroying the planet is just do to him harvesting it with the god tree. It's clearly being taken out of context. That's like saying WB can destroy a planet lol.
It’s the same thing broIs it? BSM which is Bijuu Mode + SM is different from KCSM which is KCM + SM.
He isn’t haxless per say but yes compared to naruto and sasuke the ratio is like 5:70What hax Jigen is haxless compared to Sasuke and even Naruto is comparable in hax to him
I will edit in the conclusion. Damage said if other staff memebers agreed with it then he sure and I am currently asking shadow for his final thoughts on itWhat are the conclusions here, and which staff members have agreed to what?