Naruto/Boruto General Discussion Thread #16

[AlexSoloVaAlFuturo]

Continued from here.

Can we talk about actually important stuff.

Yea sure my favourite Eggboi gif is this

What about you BFF?

That's a good one, but I personally prefer this.---->

Now I finally realised that faking one's name and letting others do everything for you is different than entrusting something to one's comrades. I'm not you. The current me is the one who wanted to become Hokage: Obito Uchiha!
	~ Obito Uchiha​

As someone who tried to become Hokage... Obito is... Nothing but awesome to me!!!
	~ Naruto Uzumaki about Obito Uchiha​

The **** with the smuggy face?





















Party rock!

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

So, would anyone scale to 6 tailed narutos 6-C feat?

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Very nice Alex with this our dominance is secured.

 

[Omimi]

v2 jin and kcm etc scale

 

[AstralKing7]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ShrekAlmighty/Baruto:_Harambe_makes_a_crater


Lets not forget about this. Can someone make a Kawaki profile this week if they have time. Kawaki already has a consistent calc that meets the statements about him being stronger than team 7. We get to see him in action this week around Thursday or Friday with the early release.

 

[AstralKing7]

ALso on threads from now on we should have a To Do List. We need to help Kep with getting these revisions done since he is working so hard with making the calcs

 

[TheFinalOrder]

My bad, I've been indisposed for awhile. I know this topic is a couple days old, but here is my stance on Naruto (Post War):

All of Naruto's forms are 5-B, Base - Ashura Mode. The reason this is, is because Naruto's 5-B stat is due to him having Six Paths Chakra which is accessible to him in every form. Unless anyone wishes to dispute Naruto not having access to the Chakra Hagoromo gave him in base, this is legit. Ontop of this, every form Naruto has, outside of Ashura mode, is Marginally stronger than the next. Why is this? Because Kurama's Chakra + 50% Hagoromo's Chakra is LESS THAN 1% SUPERIOR TO HAGOROMO'S CHAKRA BY ITSELF.

What we have to Discuss is KCSM Naruto. He would be Naruto's 2nd Strongest forum technically.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

@TFO

We are starting the 7-A Naruto revisions tomorrow, so be there or be square.

 

[AstralKing7]

Currently we accept KCSM Naruto as low 5B. The only way we could get him to 5B would be to have TOneri as baseline 5B but people say that would be a outlier tho when its baseline. I see no problem with KCSM Naruto but the problem lies with Toneri. During the 5B revisions i proposed to Kep that we could use the Low ENd of Hag's and Ham's calc because it is literally the same as Toneri's moviing the moon calc which use the same time frame of 30mins lol and Toneri got 5B on all of end of his calc but couldnt be used so i said why cant we scale him to the same feat that Hamura and Hag has that is 30mins lonog and was baseline 5B, but they said it couldnt be used for some reason. No one said outlier to that they just said it couldnt be used lol but i dont know why, i personally dont see anything wrong with it because Naruto would still be weaker than his SOsP form and and toneri would still be weaker than Hamura with Tenseigan and Hag since they would techincally be scaling to the low end of the CT moon moving feat.

Opinions welcomed just looking for solutions if their is some would rather finish the current revisions Kep has going tho

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@Astral This isn't scaling from Toneri. It's scaling from Naruto. Base Naruto who has access to Six Paths Chakra and who physically shouldn't be below Base Sasuke should be 5-B. Like I said, every form other than Ashura and KCSM would be less than 1% stronger than Base Naruto.

 

[AstralKing7]

i fail to see how KCSM Naruto is stronger than his Adult SOSP base form. If KCSM Naruto in the war arc is weaker than his SOSP base form in the war arc then what reason is to say that the adult form is stronger than the SOSP base form in the war arc?? Yeah we know KCSM naruto got stupid strong in THe last by a freaking lot but we cant say he is stronger than his 5B form which is SOSP base naruto cause KCSM naruto is only low 5B from scaling to what we saw in the last. Thats why i said it would make more sense to scale to him to Toneri and try to upgrade Toneri because i dont see how we can say KCSM Naruto scales to SOSP base war arc naruto when he has not feats to put him on that level.


Lol bro but what i just realized is if your actually talking about both halves of kurama KCSM naruto in the last then i could actually see him being comparable or stronger his SOSP base form tbh. I mean when i thought about it, i realized it would fix the outlier excuse with TOneri lol. atleast or possibly 5B naruto wouldnt make 5B Toneri a outlier anymore because Toneri would scale to Naruto and Toneri would have his own 5B feat as well. It all ties in, but we'd have to use a low end to keep Toneri weaker than what KCSM Naruto should be with both halves of Kurama

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@Astral

Lol, sorry bro, but i'm not talking about Kurama. I'm gonna break it down.

So, as we know, With Both haves of Kurama, Naruto's Biju Forms are at least 2x stronger, but even then, 100% Kurama is only Country Level.

I'll use a hypothetical BM Naruto (Post War):

• BM Naruto (Post War) = 100% Kurama Chakra (Country Level) Base Naruto's Chakra (5-B due to SPC).

With KCM, it's far below 100% Kurama, but here is the issue:

• KCSM Naruto (The Last) = 100% KCM (Some extent higher than Mountain Level at least) + Base Naruto (5-B due to SPC)

Big Difference is SM. Naruto absorbing Nature Energy would have to Balance is Chakra with 1/3rd Nature Energy.

In this regard, Kurama's forms without SM are vastly weaker compared to Naruto using SM. In honestly, his forms. Sstrongest to weakest would be:

• Ashura > KCSM > SM > SPSM (Hokage Naruto) > SPSM (War Arc) > Base SPSM > Base (Post Resurrection) > BSM > BM > KCM > SM > Base (War Arc).

Again, you guys are really not understanding how SM changes the Dynamic now with Kurama's Chakra being irrelevant now. Like seriously, all Naruto's chakra modes without SM serve to do is bolster his Physical capabilities without straining his body.

 

[BlackeJan]

Hmmm....well I say in transformation boost SPSM > 50% KCM + SM but in WHICH VER. of Naruto is being used is this (imo) 50% KCM + SM Naruto (Last) >= SPSM Naruto (War)

 

[BMWFanboy]

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[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I hate it when I miss the good stuff.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Hmm. Chibaku Tensei being stronger than Shinra Tensei like it deserves to be.

I saw something about 800 gigatons for KN7. I don't think it should scale to the Version 2 jinchüriki.

 

[Mindovin]

I think other Tailed Beasts and Jins shouldn't scale to Kurama and Naruto to begin with.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Also, I believe we can use the mass of Pain's Chibaku Tensei for both Madara and Sasuke's.

 

[Mindovin]

Isn't Madara and Sasuke's CT bigger than Nagato's?

 

[Ssr4vegito]

@BFF didn't you say you had something that would make Base Minato comparable to war arc Kakashi

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Nah, not me. It was TFO that brought that up. At the moment, it's looking like Minato will be 7-A normally and 6-C with Rasengan, while it'll be the same for Kakashi, but 6-C with lightning jutsu.

 

[Ssr4vegito]

War arc Obito should be straight up 6C he fought KCM 2 Naruto and Gyuki

 

[Ssr4vegito]

What about Tobirama and Hiruzen? Tobirama was nearly killed when Kin and Gin invaded the meeting with the raikage and thise 2 are version 2 Jinchurikis

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I dunno. Let's see.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Shojoji's ability is really disgusting. But shouldn't it be power absorption?

 

[Zzsax]

War arc Obito should be straight up 6C he fought KCM 2 Naruto and Gyuki

That was mostly due to space-time hax

 

[Rocker1189]

That was mostly due to space-time hax

He tanked Naruto's attacks head on. Literally the first thing that happened was he headbutted Naruto head on.

 

[Kepekley23]

@Astral

Toneri's feat took 50 minutes, not 30. It's not the same thing.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Also adding Low 6-B SM Naruto to my list of possibly useful outliers in the future.

Obviously if it's accepted.

 

[BMWFanboy]

I have a calc request for anyone who can do it. Can anyone calculate the energy required to create a star and a planet, given a timefram of like an hour?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

wait the other thread finished so quick

 

[Kepekley23]

Creating a star is automatically Star level without any other information

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I thought it's High 4-C.

 

[BMWFanboy]

Novel Momoshiki created a star and atleast one Planet which is why I ask

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

its High 6-A OvO

• inside Joke*

 

[TataHakai]

Wouldn't low 6-B SM Naruto be fine if Deva was 6-B?

 

[Kepekley23]

@Tata

6-B Deva was via the prep ST

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

@BMW

Was it mentioned that he created it?

 

[BMWFanboy]

Yes, it is explicitly stated he is taking the chakra of the star and even from beyond the dimension he created, which houses said star.

 

[BMWFanboy]

"He was even draining the chakra that was beyond the parallel dimension he'd made. Sasuke could clearly see the stream with his rinnegan."

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