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My Hero Academia Plus Ultra Discussion Thread #8

HOLY F*CK

Those trailers are amazing, the animation and scenes look simply fantastic, the story looks hella interesting as well, not to mention look at those feats, maybe some big upgrades

Also Bakugou's Face in the second one is gonna be a great character moment
 
Unfortunately unlike the previous film I don't think we can consider this one to even be semi-canon. In the Volume 25 extras Horikoshi said that he hasn't even seen the newest movie yet but is excited to see how it turns out.

I think he has a lot less input this time around.
 
He gave them some ideas he had for the original ending of MHA, but seeing as those ideas are no longer being used in the manga then they're not canon.
 
Pretty sure it is canon. Horikoshi saying he hasn't seen the movie yet could just mean he hasn't seen the final product.

Interviewer: When exactly does the movie's story take place?

Nagasaki: Horikoshi-sensei told us that he wanted the movie to take place in the winter. If we take into consideration the timeline in Season 4, this movie takes place quite some time after the current events in the anime.

Also Nine has already appeared in the background of the manga so he is canon.
 
I just want to say and clear up any misconceptions about the trailer before anyone even says anything. Deku didn't use 100% Full Cowl. The voice clip and what's shown in the trailer don't match and also you can see Deku broke his hand so yeah there is no 100% Full Cowl. I've already had to say this about 10 times now.
 
Nah, I don't think so, his armor kept getting shattered it's just he get rejuvenating it, it's more stamina based than durability
 
Trailer was so lit.


But this actually puts things into retrospect.

Deku's power is basic. Super strength. What can one really do agaisnt someone who has powers that can defeat u with ease despite your advantage with AP.


This was always an answer that I was afraid we wouldn't get in this series even because of the fact that this was a super hero based series.

If we get an answer I feel like the writing will actually get good with the Mc and others acknowledging that All might's super strength isn't all that it's made out to be.

I'm surprised no one ever defeated all might before tbh liek seriously.
 
Super Strength+Willpower is tough to deal with, raw power in close and long distances plus fast speed and tough durability make a tough opponent, it's like being amazing at all the fundamentals

Regardless, Deku's getting multiple Quirks anyways
 
I think the speed was more crucial to making All Might unbeatable than his strength. Like, even Kurogiri could kill All Might if it weren't for that reason
 
Speaking of speed would this quicksilver esque speed feat done by Number 6 be somewhere in the High Hypersonic range?

Number 6 moves so fast the police look froze until he finishes shooting them
 
I think that's only for dodging the bullet and not the quicksilver time thing which took place after the bullet dodge. I remember Quicksilver getting High Hypersonic results when doing something similar in Days of Future Past which is why I'm asking. I was thinking of making a Number 6 profile sometime in the future.
 
Andytrenom said:
I think the speed was more crucial to making All Might unbeatable than his strength. Like, even Kurogiri could kill All Might if it weren't for that reason
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That was what I thought it, too. All Might was OP simply because he could blitz and oneshot basically everyone before they could react.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Super Strength+Willpower is tough to deal with, raw power in close and long distances plus fast speed and tough durability make a tough opponent, it's like being amazing at all the fundamentals

Regardless, Deku's getting multiple Quirks anyways
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Hax one shots my dude as of rn. The trailer is also showing this. Yea Deku is getting more quirks but what quirks cause the new one is useless tbh. Spider-Man 2.0. I'm just wondering if the mangaka will turn this into some good writing
 
I mean, Black Whip isn't useless, what if it get's used as an actual attack whip later own, that means Deku has another form of ranged combat besides Air Force
 
Against someone with good hax it's bad. For instance I'm pretty sure Shigaraki will decay that attack.

Hopefully Deku gets some hax abilties cause rn from a writers perspective having a a character with nothing but super strength in a world full of other incredible makes no sense. It's hard to believe there isn't another villain besides Overhual and Shigaraki who can damn near one shot with a touch.

Overhual lost to pis also ƒñªÔÇìÔÖé´©Å
 
I mean if you're too fast to be tagged and so strong that hardly anyone survives the first hit you don't really need much else.

It's the reason y Superman and the Hulk are so OP even in their own OP verses, even though most writers only use their most basic abilities. Too fast and too strong, it's basic yes but it's plenty effective
 
Deku with control of 20% vs base Overhaul. Who wins?

Simple powers aren't bad inherently, it's the application of them that matters. Deku using his strength to create ranged attacks with air pressure? Good application. Sato literally just getting stronger but dumber? Bad application. It's the way the power is used by the writer that makes it special.

Sure, there are matchups that just flat out can't be won if you look at the basics of the characters fighting, but that's true for all of fiction. That's where skill and other things like intelligence come in.
 
U guys are missing my point. Before Deku even used his full strength the mangaka basically made it PIS by not having Overhual simply just touch Deku

Btw people like Shigaraki are expected to be the same speed as Deku. I'm pretty sure Deku won't be blitzing anyone like him who is a walking plot device.

Superman and Hulk? Tbh that's how it may seem to fans who don't really know about the verses but no they get stomped in verse by hax ass characters. Most fans only know what they have seen on tv. There are so many comics till the point where people just don't know about all of the events that have taken place.

Like Ghost rider vs Hulk. Heck ghost rider vs damn near any hero who had the AP advantage.

This can be a problem in series which has super powers and hero's and villains. You really expect me just to sit here and watch a superheros or characters with just super strength beat someone who can basically one shot them with any opportunity? Especially if it's a villain.

That's why I Believe whenever u make a verse with super powers u have to be very careful writing it, because the whole verse can be nothing but PIS depending on how the fights go down. You have to be very careful giving certain powers out to the hero's and villains. A super insane villain shouldn't be expected to have any morals; they should one shot a hero at any chance they get.

If they don't that's automatically bad writing because it's basically PIS.
 
In regards to Superman and the Hulk, the argument isn't that they're unbeatable, they've both been beaten plenty b4, especially with hax. The argument is that they remain a relevant and significant threat in despite of all the hax that they're surrounded by specifically because they have ridiculous physicals.

A character doesn't need a morbid or ridiculous amount of powerful hax to remain relevant in their verse Might Guy and Kenpachi Zaraki are proof of this, if the hax isn't so potent that it automatically wins the fight as it starts then the character in question just needs to be fast enough and strong enough to end the fight b4 the hax is relevant. Which is the point I've tried to make with Superman and the Hulk, they aren't invincible but they are damn OP since most fights would end after the first blow.

Plus u are watching a series where the characters already have physics defying powers, overly convoluted schemes, mind achingly complicated motives, if u can't suspend your disbelief and accept that a dude who's so strong that his punches change the weather can't beat a guy who can break down and reconstruct matter at a touch then I can't really help u
 
@AstralKing

Yeah, Shigaraki right now easily is stronger than Deku, his hax and speed are deadly as hell, and he can likely defeat every single character in a one on one right now barring Giganto Machia and maybe a few others, and he'll be even more formidable after his 4 month experimentation, he's likely gonna get All For One and be nigh unstoppable, that's why he's the main villain

Deku's gonna have to learn his other quirks fast and hopefully get some hax out of them, Deku won't be able to win with brute force, Horikoshi is better than that, Deku has always had to strategize and it's about landing the big hit, yeah sometimes it's just being stronger, but we know he's gonna get other quirks so there's some potential for Hax vs Hax in Deku vs Shigaraki, the only reason he beat Overhaul at all is because Deku was so fast and Chisaki couldn't land a hit
 
OK, so I know Death Battle is usually wrong, but they had a Giganto Machia mountain destroying feat at like 1 Gigaton, is that legit or not
 
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