Plus Dark - Izuku Midoriya vs. Kamen Rider Shin

[ZeedKZ]

Shin is having a bad day and Izuku mistakes him for a villain due to his spooky appearance, and decides to clash with this beast.

Both at 8-A
Dark Hero Arc Deku is used, base only.
Main Series Shin is used.
Speed equalized.
SBA.
Location: Tokyo at da

Deku: 8 (@Kingofwolves999 @TheRustyOne @XSOULOFCINDERX @ZeedKZ @Shadowslash125 @IxaSaga2 @Mapl3Sy4up @Anonymous_Learner)
Kamen Rider Shin: 0
Inconclusive: 0

 

[Sir_Ovens]

So what can Deku do against dura neg claws?

 

[TheRustyOne]

A fight with Dark Hero Izuku's 8-A state that isn't a stomp because of his High 7-C durability? That's rare to see.

Izuku has 237.32 Tons of TNT of AP, with Fa Jin he can increase his stats to the peak of 8-A. Fa Jin is capable of storing energy up to Tier 6 after all. So a nicely charge Fa Jin attack can one shot here, and of course the boost from Fa Jin enhances his speed to the point where he can blitz people on par with him from over 100 meters away.

Due to Danger Sense and his own Analytical Prediction, he should be able to avoid Shin's attacks and not fall prey to his stealth, if he gets the chance to use it.

So what can Deku do against dura neg claws?

Shin doesn't have any ranged attacks from what I'm seeing. What can he do if Izuku keeps distance and try to restrain him with Blackwhip or snipe with Air Force?

Izuku's LS is higher than 394.5 Tons while Shin's LS seems to be 101.97 Tons, going by his profile. I know it probably won't be easy since his guy seems to have very good senses, perception, instincts, and precognition himself. But Izuku keeping distance and attacking with Air Force/Blackwhip is easier for him overall.

Also, doesn't seem like he can fly either. Although he can jump rather high, not being able to fly means he isn't mobile enough to actually hit Izuku.

Obviously, I'm leaning towards Izuku but I want to hear more about what this guy can do before making any judgements for real.

 

[ZeedKZ]

A fight with Dark Hero Izuku's 8-A state that isn't a stomp because of his High 7-C durability? That's rare to see.

Durability doesn't matter here since Shin is a walking durability negation guy. His vibration spikes (which are everywhere in his body) emit high-frequency vibrations and radiation to cut anything. A mere touch of his could make Fourze (who was 4-A at that moment) scream in pain, and Shin wasn't even trying to hurt him.

Izuku has 237.32 Tons of TNT of AP, with Fa Jin he can increase his stats to the peak of 8-A. Fa Jin is capable of storing energy up to Tier 6 after all. So a nicely charge Fa Jin attack can one shot here, and of course the boost from Fa Jin enhances his speed to the point where he can blitz people on par with him from over 100 meters away.

I've made the match with just base Izuku in mind, no amps other than those from One For All, didn't knew that Fa Jin could stack in any tier so I might restrict that to avoid making it a stomp, although I have to ask if this is his first move though.

Shin doesn't have any ranged attacks from what I'm seeing. What can he do if Izuku keeps distance and try to restrain him with Blackwhip or snipe with Air Force?

Shin could just cut Blackwhip with his dura neg spikes, plus his jump can cover 114-232 meters, his information analysis/ESP/precog will allow him to know Deku's position and the time he attacks as well.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Reminder that Shin can also absorb 75% of the impact from attacks, so if he is hit, he won't take the full yield of Deku's attacks, at least normally.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I'm aware Izuku's dura is irrelevant...why did you repeat that?

I'm already aware he cannot leave 8-A, for this match up, that's why I said that. Also, you cannot prevent him from going higher into the 8-A Tier however.

You can only restrict abilities when they change Tier. Izuku can still use One For All while 8-A, and you cannot restrict that if you want the match to be added.

He cannot cut Blackwhip forever, why do you assume he'll never be hit not even a single time? I'm aware he can dodge, you're not telling me anything I didn't know.

Considering he absorbs 75% of the impact from attacks, what were you thinking when you assumed Izuku couldn't increase his power?

Izuku's AP would hit him like he was 59.33 Tons of TNT in that case and he has dura negating attacks.

 

[ZeedKZ]

I'm aware Izuku's dura is irrelevant...why did you repeat that?

My bad, just me being sleepy. But better to explain that further then to leave that.

He cannot cut Blackwhip forever, why do you assume he'll never be hit not even a single time? I'm aware he can dodge, you're not telling me anything I didn't know.

I never assumed those things. I'm saying that Shin can avoid Blackwhip and has enough perks to cut if it reaches him.

Considering he absorbs 75% of the impact from attacks, what were you thinking when you assumed Izuku couldn't increase his power?

I also never said he couldn't increase his power, just that I assumed Fa Jin to be a direct 6-A amp at first, but you convinced me.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I never assumed those things. I'm saying that Shin can avoid Blackwhip and has enough perks to cut if it reaches him.

That was sarcasm, my apologies. I should've made that clear instead of vague.

I was aware you didn't say that, I'm just showing why what you said without context sounds ridiculous, because I basically said the same thing.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Eh, I don't think it does, but let's pass that. Either way, how does Fa Jin works in combat? Is this his first move?

 

[TheRustyOne]

Eh, I don't think it does, but let's pass that. Either way, how does Fa Jin works in combat? Is this his first move?

When Izuku does any movement he can store up that Kinetic Energy and release all of it at once for explosive power. Ever attack he launches physically will be stored by Fa Jin, increasing his power until it reaches the peak of 8-A as he cannot go beyond that in this match.

Considering the 75% reduction, Izuku will need Fa Jin to cause any serious damage to Shin at all.

Even with peak 8-A at 999 Tons of TNT, his attacks will only inflict damage equivalent to 249.75 Tons of TNT. Once he uses that energy he needs to build it up again. Although he's shown to be able to store energy in separate limbs, so he can use a Fa Jin attack and still have more energy stored in another limb.

Izuku is a wary fighter and I don't see Shin instantly stomping him the second they engage. Izuku will keep distance to avoid those spikes even if he doesn't know about their dura negating properties. Because he isn't foolish enough to assume he could block them.

Izuku will use Fa Jin if he finds hitting Shin to be too difficult. Although is first move will likely be to try and restrain him with Blackwhip.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Shin can cut out of that since he has spikes on his arms too that have the same vibrating quality as his claws.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Shin can cut out of that since he has spikes on his arms too that have the same vibrating quality as his claws.

Then Izuku will make sure that if he gets does wrap him in Blackwhip, he won't make contact with his spikes/claws so that cannot happen.

Or can he make spikes appear anywhere on his body?

 

[ZeedKZ]

Shin doesn't make them appear, they are always there.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

So Deku has the AP advantage at 237 vs 116? About 2x? With the 75% reduction he hits at 59 tons so about half Shin’s durability while Shin can just dura neg cut him. A somewhat even playing ground.

However, considering Deku can still use OFA, just limited to the 8-A version, Shin isn’t gonna have a good time for long. 8% scales above 5% which is 711 tons and gives him ranged finger flicks with Air Force. Even with 75% reduction, once Deku turns on the jets, he’s hitting Shin with 177 ton attacks, slightly above his dura. At peak Fa Jin he’s hitting a bit over 2x again, which is not insignificant.

Deku crushes in LS by like 3x in base up to 4x with 8%. A single grab with Blackwhip and Shin isn’t escaping. He can cut them away but Deku only needs a moment to land the hits he needs on areas that can’t cut him back. That or grab at the not sharp parts like his neck. Having a dozen or so prehensile tendrils he can spawn from his whole body makes your options pretty vast on where you can grap.

Danger Sense and his intelligence + predictions, as always, keep him well out of trouble. Float as well means Shin is basically never touching him until Deku chooses to go in, and even then he’s getting dodge.

Smokescreen useless as always.

I think best bet from Deku here is sniping with Air Force and analyzing Shin’s movements to land Fa Jin speed amp blitz hits. Shin can predict his muscle movements back (this would not include Blackwhip which moves somewhat faster than Deku), but I don’t think that’s gonna help him when Fa Jin blitzes him before he can move. Rinse and repeat as needed.

Shin, from what I’m seeing, doesn’t have a lot of options to actually hit Deku here that don’t result in him sensing with Danger Sense and moving out of the way the moment Shin goes to attack.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Then Izuku will make sure that if he gets does wrap him in Blackwhip, he won't make contact with his spikes/claws so that cannot happen.

Or can he make spikes appear anywhere on his body?

Just his feet, hands, and arms.

Edit: He can also eat his way through.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Wrap one tendril around his neck, another his waist, another his legs, hop on his back and just starting spamming punches into his head, which conversely charges up Fa Jin for an even harder punch to his head.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

So Deku has the AP advantage at 237 vs 116? About 2x? With the 75% reduction he hits at 59 tons so about half Shin’s durability while Shin can just dura neg cut him. A somewhat even playing ground.

However, considering Deku can still use OFA, just limited to the 8-A version, Shin isn’t gonna have a good time for long. 8% scales above 5% which is 711 tons and gives him ranged finger flicks with Air Force. Even with 75% reduction, once Deku turns on the jets, he’s hitting Shin with 177 ton attacks, slightly above his dura. At peak Fa Jin he’s hitting a bit over 2x again, which is not insignificant.

Deku crushes in LS by like 3x in base up to 4x with 8%. A single grab with Blackwhip and Shin isn’t escaping. He can cut them away but Deku only needs a moment to land the hits he needs on areas that can’t cut him back. That or grab at the not sharp parts like his neck. Having a dozen or so prehensile tendrils he can spawn from his whole body makes your options pretty vast on where you can grap.

Danger Sense and his intelligence + predictions, as always, keep him well out of trouble. Float as well means Shin is basically never touching him until Deku chooses to go in, and even then he’s getting dodge.

Smokescreen useless as always.

I think best bet from Deku here is sniping with Air Force and analyzing Shin’s movements to land Fa Jin speed amp blitz hits. Shin can predict his muscle movements back (this would not include Blackwhip which moves somewhat faster than Deku), but I don’t think that’s gonna help him when Fa Jin blitzes him before he can move. Rinse and repeat as needed.

Shin, from what I’m seeing, doesn’t have a lot of options to actually hit Deku here that don’t result in him sensing with Danger Sense and moving out of the way the moment Shin goes to attack.

Float won't mean much since Shin can leap really high and Air Force can be dodged if Deku is shooting from afar.

Shin is really acrobatic and can jump, roll, and climb his way to Deku if he needs to.

 

[ZeedKZ]

I think best bet from Deku here is sniping with Air Force and analyzing Shin’s movements to land Fa Jin speed amp blitz hits. Shin can predict his muscle movements back (this would not include Blackwhip which moves somewhat faster than Deku), but I don’t think that’s gonna help him when Fa Jin blitzes him before he can move. Rinse and repeat as needed.

Technically, it would include Blackwhip since his precognition also is based on tactile information he obtains, anything from changes in temperature, size, direction, movement, etc. around the environment. Even if Shin cannot move out of the way, he would be able to sense as it wraps around his body. Fa Jin is definitely working though.

Shin, from what I’m seeing, doesn’t have a lot of options to actually hit Deku here that don’t result in him sensing with Danger Sense and moving out of the way the moment Shin goes to attack.

I'd say is mostly due to Shin not having any ranged attacks. He would have to resort to Deku coming closer to him to gut him with his spikes, other than that, he would mostly rely on his senses and regeneration if he is injured.

 

[Shadowslash125]

So Deku has the AP advantage at 237 vs 116? About 2x? With the 75% reduction he hits at 59 tons so about half Shin’s durability while Shin can just dura neg cut him. A somewhat even playing ground.

However, considering Deku can still use OFA, just limited to the 8-A version, Shin isn’t gonna have a good time for long. 8% scales above 5% which is 711 tons and gives him ranged finger flicks with Air Force. Even with 75% reduction, once Deku turns on the jets, he’s hitting Shin with 177 ton attacks, slightly above his dura. At peak Fa Jin he’s hitting a bit over 2x again, which is not insignificant.

Attacks slightly above Shin's durability won't really hurt him too much, seeing as he has low-mid regen to slightly circumvent any and all damage coming his way (not to mention the 75% damage reduction). With Fa Jin into the mix, it'd be harder to regenerate but he'd manage.

How much does Fa Jin amp his speed?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Float won't mean much since Shin can leap really high and Air Force can be dodged if Deku is shooting from afar.

Shin is really acrobatic and can jump, roll, and climb his way to Deku if he needs to.

Deku can predict movements to hit you even if you dodge by calculating your trajectory. Also he swings around with Blackwhip so Shin’s mobility is really barebones in comparison to his own. Deku can leap hundreds of meters and do all that as well he just ALSO has the ability to fly and swing like Spider-Man.

Coupled with his own analytical prediction that lets him keep up with attacks that can blitz him and just running or jumping at him without good aerial maneuvering isn’t a great idea.

Technically, it would include Blackwhip since his precognition also is based on tactile information he obtains, anything from changes in temperature, size, direction, movement, etc. around the environment. Even if Shin cannot move out of the way, he would be able to sense as it wraps around his body. Fa Jin is definitely working though.

I'd say is mostly due to Shin not having any ranged attacks. He would have to resort to Deku coming closer to him to gut him with his spikes, other than that, he would mostly rely on his senses and regeneration if he is injured.

Biggest thing with Blackwhip is just that Deku can spawn it whenever he wants from any part of his body with no warning or tell to grab you.

Regen probably the most clutch thing here cause idk its limits. Deku can fight for days though if that counts for anything.

Attacks slightly above Shin's durability won't really hurt him too much, seeing as he has low-mid regen to slightly circumvent any and all damage coming his way (not to mention the 75% damage reduction). With Fa Jin into the mix, it'd be harder to regenerate but he'd manage.

How much does Fa Jin amp his speed?

Fa Jin is your standard anime “I blitzed the person that was faster than me” level amp.

Lady Nagant’s most high velocity bullet got freeze framed and outsped horrifically by Fa Jin, when her normal bullets blitzed Deku so hard they went through Danger Sense.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Float won't mean much since Shin can leap really high and Air Force can be dodged if Deku is shooting from afar.

Shin is really acrobatic and can jump, roll, and climb his way to Deku if he needs to.

Not having any air mobility makes it pointless to jump at Izuku.

His profile doesn't suggest he can make movements while in midair.

How much does Fa Jin amp his speed?

Blitzes people on par with his speed, even at over hundreds of meters away.

Izuku will probably realize he needs Fa Jin if he notices Air Force not doing any real damage to Shin.

Shin's healing is going to be a major problem. Even with the max Fa Jin allowed, Izuku's attacks will only be around 2x higher than his durability.

How good is Shin's stamina? Feel like this will become a match of endurance.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also, to be clear: any of Deku’s attacks hurt shin regardless of the 75% reduction. Any hit from 8% is gonna feel like Shin punching himself. Regen deals with that, but Fa Jin hits are gonna be literal trucks to his dome. If he gets grabbed and restrained, Deku can just keep him there and win via restraining (or just talk him into a surrender).

 

[ZeedKZ]

Biggest thing with Blackwhip is just that Deku can spawn it whenever he wants from any part of his body with no warning or tell to grab you.

But Shin's precognition is for predicting attacks that he is not expecting. If Deku somehow unleashes the Blackwhip from his chest and arms, and then from his legs, Shin would predict. I'm not saying that Shin can freely dodge them, but he would definitely notice that there are more things coming to his direction.

Regen probably the most clutch thing here cause idk its limits. Deku can fight for days though if that counts for anything.

Fair enough, although Shin could also fight Goushima sustenting wounds at his arms and stomach, and we know if Deku falls under Shin's claws, the damage would be much worse than it was to Fourze. Can Deku sustain injuries at vital points during combat? I know there are instances he could fight even with broken bones though.

Also, to be clear: any of Deku’s attacks hurt shin regardless of the 75% reduction. Any hit from 8% is gonna feel like Shin punching himself. Regen deals with that, but Fa Jin hits are gonna be literal trucks to his dome. If he gets grabbed and restrained, Deku can just keep him there and win via restraining (or just talk him into a surrender).

I don't see Deku restraining him for too long without being slashed by the vibration spikes, whether is he doing physically (which would be definitely a bad idea) or using Blackwhips (which he can slash given his NPI). His best should would be aiming at places not as dangerous, like at his back, part of his shoulders, but how long he would take to figure that out? It also relies a lot on how Shin is caught. Let's say if he uses Fa Jin and then Blackwhip to wrap it around his Shin's waist and chest, but he has to restrain his legs, arms and mouth, but the hard thing to do is avoiding Shin to just tear them off.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yeah, Shin is just really violent when he fights. He's not afraid to go for the eyes or throat. Talking Shin out of fighting is not really an option here.

I feel like it's pretty even here. Even with better mobility, Deku isn't gonna win if he can't land blows; especially with Shin's precog.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

But Shin's precognition is for predicting attacks that he is not expecting. If Deku somehow unleashes the Blackwhip from his chest and arms, and then from his legs, Shin would predict. I'm not saying that Shin can freely dodge them, but he would definitely notice that there are more things coming to his direction.

Fair enough, although Shin could also fight Goushima sustenting wounds at his arms and stomach, and we know if Deku falls under Shin's claws, the damage would be much worse than it was to Fourze. Can Deku sustain injuries at vital points during combat? I know there are instances he could fight even with broken bones though.

I don't see Deku restraining him for too long without being slashed by the vibration spikes, whether is he doing physically (which would be definitely a bad idea) or using Blackwhips (which he can slash given his NPI). His best should would be aiming at places not as dangerous, like at his back, part of his shoulders, but how long he would take to figure that out? It also relies a lot on how Shin is caught. Let's say if he uses Fa Jin and then Blackwhip to wrap it around his Shin's waist and chest, but he has to restrain his legs, arms and mouth, but the hard thing to do is avoiding Shin to just tear them off.

It’s mostly in close range that Blackwhip coming from anywhere messes people up, as you can be going for a kick from behind him, and suddenly a Blackwhip tendril fires from his back into your chest and grapples you. At the very least, attacks against him are getting fended off by the combination of Blackwhip, danger sense and his intelligence.

Deku can fight with every bone in his body being broken from using 100% Full Cowl with no help. He shrugs off bullet wounds and even if his body is reduced to the point of literally being useless he will just use Blackwhip to move himself. Stamina is truly not an issue here.

For reference: the key being used in this fight is the same key where he kept up one for all and Blackwhip strands to keep himself moving despite untreated wounds for at least a month straight with no sleep.

Deku is a Genius in combat and finds weaknesses near instantly. It won’t even take him a minute into the fight before he knows what areas would be best to restrain Shin from. Just “anywhere without the spikes that can cut Blackwhip”. Also Blackwhip doesn’t actually need NPI you can cut and rip it normally if you’re strong enough (or in this case have dura neg).

Like I said, Deku can spawn as many tendrils as he needs near instantly. He lands a Fa Jin hit and they’re sprouting from him to wrap up Shin in the non sharp areas before the impact is fully done.

Yeah, Shin is just really violent when he fights. He's not afraid to go for the eyes or throat. Talking Shin out of fighting is not really an option here.

I feel like it's pretty even here. Even with better mobility, Deku isn't gonna win if he can't land blows; especially with Shin's precog.

Deku has slightly better defenses because of mobility but that doesn’t mean much when he has to be on offense.

Deku’s win con is probably just Fa Jin blitz into Blackwhip wrap up to keep shin from moving then seeing if he can knock him out with a couple dozen Fa Jin amped smashes to the face. He should be able to fully restrain if he targets the wrists, neck, thighs, waist, ankle

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Honestly just grabbing the neck, wrists and ankles and spreading him out (pause) should be enough to render him unable to hit Deku. Then it’s just hitting him with every state on the map until he gets KO’d.

That or he wins by restraining him for over a day as per standard win rules.

 

[ZeedKZ]

It’s mostly in close range that Blackwhip coming from anywhere messes people up, as you can be going for a kick from behind him, and suddenly a Blackwhip tendril fires from his back into your chest and grapples you. At the very least, attacks against him are getting fended off by the combination of Blackwhip, danger sense and his intelligence.

I'm aware, but Shin's precognition is for letting him know everything that is going on his surroundings. He would definitely detect the Blackwhip even if he can't dodge, he would let his claws and instincts do the job for him.

Deku can fight with every bone in his body being broken from using 100% Full Cowl with no help. He shrugs off bullet wounds and even if his body is reduced to the point of literally being useless he will just use Blackwhip to move himself. Stamina is truly not an issue here.

Yeah, but can he fight while being targeted at every vital point? Shin would not think twice before aiming at his neck, stomach, or eyes. He would have to pull something similar to Shin's own stamina to keep up with injuries.

For reference: the key being used in this fight is the same key where he kept up one for all and Blackwhip strands to keep himself moving despite untreated wounds for at least a month straight with no sleep.

Fair enough.

Deku is a Genius in combat and finds weaknesses near instantly. It won’t even take him a minute into the fight before he knows what areas would be best to restrain Shin from. Just “anywhere without the spikes that can cut Blackwhip”. Also Blackwhip doesn’t actually need NPI you can cut and rip it normally if you’re strong enough (or in this case have dura neg).

It doesn't help if he restrains Shin with Blackwhips around places with no spikes if he can just move his limbs to cut them. The only instance where Shin was "truly restrained" was the ending scene where Shin is mentally and emotionally injured from the death of his pregnant girlfriend, and he intended suicide when he let himself to crash along with that helicopter, but he could pretty much reach his nails to cut the net. Deku would have to slice Shin's arms and legs off if he truly wants to be safe from them.

 

[ZeedKZ]

I think Shin's regeneration and pain endurance would allow him to sustain this match for a long time, he was slashed at both shoulders and stomach by Goushima and kept fighting before he regenerated and is unfazed, he could also sustain a lot of injuries from his first fight with Goushima, which was right after his first transformation which was extremely painful, he had the same dura neg vibration spikes coming out of his skin while having his whole body changed.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I'm aware, but Shin's precognition is for letting him know everything that is going on his surroundings. He would definitely detect the Blackwhip even if he can't dodge, he would let his claws and instincts do the job for him.

Yeah, but can he fight while being targeted at every vital point? Shin would not think twice before aiming at his neck, stomach, or eyes. He would have to pull something similar to Shin's own stamina to keep up with injuries.

Fair enough.

It doesn't help if he restrains Shin with Blackwhips around places with no spikes if he can just move his limbs to cut them. The only instance where Shin was "truly restrained" was the ending scene where Shin is mentally and emotionally injured from the death of his pregnant girlfriend, and he intended suicide when he let himself to crash along with that helicopter, but he could pretty much reach his nails to cut the net. Deku would have to slice Shin's arms and legs off if he truly wants to be safe from them.

He can’t hit every whip at once is the main issue there, especially since it’s going to happen at the same time he’s getting run over by a Fa Jin freight train right to his head or stomach.

He simply won’t get hit in any of those vital areas? But yes Deku can keep fighting while suffering tremendous blood loss and through immense pain. There is literally nothing Shin could do short of cutting off a limb that Deku won’t just bounce back from. And even then Deku will just keep fighting without that limb.

I wouldn’t count that as “restrained.” His arms and legs are basically still allowed a range of movement to hit the thing restraining him. Deku would he targeting his wrists and ankles, specifically removing his ability to even somewhat struggle or get an angle to cut himself free. Deku’s main enemy is a guy who can kill him by touching him, his go to place for Blackwhip is the shoulders and wrists.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Being restraining is being prevented from freedom of movement or action, Shin was restrained because he had no free will of his movements. Shin leaned oN Fourze putting his arms on him and he already felt immense paint, and it also doesn't stop him from tearing through the Blackwhips given his nails are bigger than a ordinary human's. And this is also not stopping Shin from intercepting that move unless he uses Fa Jin first. Plus Shin can still bite Deku even if his arms and legs are out of movement.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Just gonna summarize the thread real quick so any newcomers can join in on the matchup among other things.

Shin Noodles
+75% Damage Reduction
+Low-Mid Regen
+Dura-Neg nails on his feet, hands and arms
+Biting is an option
+Violent Tendency
-Only Extended Melee Range

Deku Tree
+Higher AP & LS
+Fa Jin amp
+Blackwhip that incorporates LS
+Higher Range
+Intelligence

Both of them have equal/similar Analytical Prediction (for Deku) and Precog (for Shin). What is basically up in the air is how their superhuman stamina will be able to carry them in this match and the further discussion on Blackwhip and Shin.

Almost forgot his Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception, which has statements that can probably be passed off as Analytical Prediction on his end (though that might require a crt to be added). Paired with his info analysis and precog, it's going to be a tad bit harder for Deku to land hits on the silly grasshopper boi.

Spoiler

• Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception (Awareness, Multiple Vision, Night Vision, Telescopic Vision, Microvision, Smell; Third Eye grants a sixth sense and is used for resonance of breathing reactions with fellow members. Cat Eye combines the quality of a human's single eye with those of a grasshopper's compound eye, monitoring all movements of multiple targets, deciphering the details of the targets it identifies, and can predict 90% of an opponent's movements based on muscle movements and tactile information. Can detect the presence, size, direction, and smell of an object by the difference in temperature in the air, working even in the dark)

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Being restraining is being prevented from freedom of movement or action, Shin was restrained because he had no free will of his movements. Shin leaned oN Fourze putting his arms on him and he already felt immense paint, and it also doesn't stop him from tearing through the Blackwhips given his nails are bigger than an ordinary human's. And this is also not stopping Shin from intercepting that move unless he uses Fa Jin first. Plus Shin can still bite Deku even if his arms and legs are out of movement.

Those restraints are not sufficient for how Deku can restrain him. See these examples. All Deku has to do is grab his wrists and ankles and Shin cannot hit him or escape. Attempting to bite him means he will just also get his neck grabbed by Blackwhip, and it will be incredibly obvious + countered by danger sense.

Just gonna summarize the thread real quick so any newcomers can join in on the matchup among other things.

Shin Noodles
+75% Damage Reduction
+Low-Mid Regen
+Dura-Neg nails on his feet, hands and arms
+Biting is an option
+Violent Tendency
-Only Extended Melee Range

Deku Tree
+Higher AP & LS
+Fa Jin amp
+Blackwhip that incorporates LS
+Higher Range
+Intelligence

Both of them have equal/similar Analytical Prediction (for Deku) and Precog (for Shin). What is basically up in the air is how their superhuman stamina will be able to carry them in this match and the further discussion on Blackwhip and Shin.

Almost forgot his Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception, which has statements that can probably be passed off as Analytical Prediction on his end (though that might require a crt to be added). Paired with his info analysis and precog, it's going to be a tad bit harder for Deku to land hits on the silly grasshopper boi.

Spoiler

• Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception (Awareness, Multiple Vision, Night Vision, Telescopic Vision, Microvision, Smell; Third Eye grants a sixth sense and is used for resonance of breathing reactions with fellow members. Cat Eye combines the quality of a human's single eye with those of a grasshopper's compound eye, monitoring all movements of multiple targets, deciphering the details of the targets it identifies, and can predict 90% of an opponent's movements based on muscle movements and tactile information. Can detect the presence, size, direction, and smell of an object by the difference in temperature in the air, working even in the dark)

Being a vicious fighter is only a plus to shin if he ever actually lands a hit. Danger Sense is practically precognition, it just only activates when an opponent has committed to an action rather than before, which is why him being able to ALSO predict an enemies movements multiple steps in advance via intelligence makes him so hard to hit.

Yes, it is also going to be hard to hit Shin. Hence why Fa Jin seals the deal and gets Shin caught since he has no counter to getting blitzed. Fa Jin can be charged in the midst of fighting and dodging, he doesn’t have to do anything special to ramp it up. Just flexing his legs and arms charges Fa Jin.

They fight around for a bit avoiding each others attacks, Deku charges and blitzes with Fa Jin, ropes Shin up during the impact and has him completely helpless to a beatdown. Shin doesn’t have anything to aid him out of a scenario where Deku uses Fa Jin to blitz and restrain him.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Those restraints are not sufficient for how Deku can restrain him. See these examples. All Deku has to do is grab his wrists and ankles and Shin cannot hit him or escape. Attempting to bite him means he will just also get his neck grabbed by Blackwhip, and it will be incredibly obvious + countered by danger sense.

None of those examples would truly restrain Shin without him resorting to his spikes. The first and second goes for the forearm and the third and fourth goes for the whole body. Part of his spikes are in his forearm, and for the whole body thing, nothing stops Shin from just reaching the Blackwhip to tear them either with his nails, the spikes in his legs or his jaw, which is why going for the wrists and ankles are guaranteed to work. Plus this is all relying in the interpretation that Deku will realize everything he can do with his spikes without being hit once. He will have no idea what they could do until Shin starts to tear the Blackwhip apart. I just fail to see how Deku can properly launch an all-out attack with the Blackwhips and physical strikes without Fa Jin. And again, Shin's regen and pain endurance wouldn't let him to be severaly incapacitated if that movement somehow works, and given Shin can still use his vibration spikes if the situation gets worse, Deku won't be invulnerable to being slashed by him.

 

[ZeedKZ]

And to be fair, I don't think Deku could free himself from Shin's grip once he slices him with the vibration nails even with his LS advantage. Fourze is Class T and yet he couldn't make Shin back up from the sheer pain he was feeling, and radiation manip might screw him too since Fourze is resistant to radiation and he still couldn't endure the spikes.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Plus this is all relying in the interpretation that Deku will realize everything he can do with his spikes without being hit once. He will have no idea what they could do until Shin starts to tear the Blackwhip apart.

Blackwhip doesn’t actually need NPI you can cut and rip it normally if you’re strong enough (or in this case have dura neg).

Assuming that anyone strong enough is able to cut and rip it normally, it's going to be even harder for Deku to notice the dura neg until it probably too late. Unless he has some sort of information analysis, he's not going to pick up the dura neg cuts easily and chalk it up as "oh those are sharp".

 

[TheRustyOne]

Assuming that anyone strong enough is able to cut and rip it normally, it's going to be even harder for Deku to notice the dura neg until it probably too late. Unless he has some sort of information analysis, he's not going to pick up the dura neg cuts easily and chalk it up as "oh those are sharp".

That doesn't matter? I don't understand this.

Him not knowing it's dura negation doesn't mean he can't easily tell those things cut. Izuku isn't a idiot he can tell sharp things are dangerous and will avoid them. What do you think he's going to do, block a spike with his bare hands? He's never down something like that he always avoid blades or anything sharp.

Too late makes no sense since Izuku will dodge every attack. If Shin cuts through Blackwhip that just tells him even more to stay away.

I don't why you think him not knowing it's dura negation is a problem. Izuku has no cause to believe they wouldn't cut him.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

None of those examples would truly restrain Shin without him resorting to his spikes. The first and second goes for the forearm and the third and fourth goes for the whole body. Part of his spikes are in his forearm, and for the whole body thing, nothing stops Shin from just reaching the Blackwhip to tear them either with his nails, the spikes in his legs or his jaw, which is why going for the wrists and ankles are guaranteed to work. Plus this is all relying in the interpretation that Deku will realize everything he can do with his spikes without being hit once. He will have no idea what they could do until Shin starts to tear the Blackwhip apart. I just fail to see how Deku can properly launch an all-out attack with the Blackwhips and physical strikes without Fa Jin. And again, Shin's regen and pain endurance wouldn't let him to be severaly incapacitated if that movement somehow works, and given Shin can still use his vibration spikes if the situation gets worse, Deku won't be invulnerable to being slashed by him.

Dodge spikes. Try to grab with Blackwhip. Shin cuts Blackwhip or dodges. Deku charges Fa Jin and does it again. Succeeds because it’s a blitz now.

It’s not exactly a rough calculus on what Deku has to do. He can avoid all of Shin’s attacks and is the one dictating the fight with his far higher mobility. He has all the time in the world to go to a pretty basic plan of “overwhelm this skilled enemy with speed to bind them.”

 

[TheRustyOne]

Voting for Izuku after hearing what Shin can do.

Izuku can fly and keep at range with multiple attacks. Shin lacks zero range options and will eventually be worn down by combs of Blackwhip + Fa Jin attacks. The spikes are painfully easier to see and avoid to prevent them from being cut. If he does restrain him to he can't move, obviously he'll win.

But I'll assume he's too slippery for that to give him the benefit of the doubt. Shin's options are to get close and swing very obvious attacks at Izuku. Stealth and other attacks are pointless since Izuku has various senses that prevent him from being snuck up on or get hit.

Shin is also limited by a lack of flight. Once he's in the air he cannot maneuver anywhere even close to Izuku's level. Once he jumps he's committed to that movement, unlike Izuku who can easily sidestep or just fly up higher than 114 meters. At this point he can continue to build Fa Jin for damage and blitz level speed.

Shin's damage reduction and regeneration make him extremely tricky to put down.

It'll take a long time, but I personally believe Izuku can rise to the challenge and prevent himself from taking fatal injuries until he wins.

 

[ZeedKZ]

I still fail to see how Deku can restrain Shin even if he goes for the wrists and ankles (which also have spikes, but to a lesser extension) since nothing stops him from just reaching the tendrils, and given the instances above are not enough to stop the vibration spikes. That goes for him binding his whole body as well and him approaching the binded Shin and beating him with physical strikes doesn't seem like a good move since it leaves him vulnerable of being slashed. A better move would be Deku slicing his arms and legs off or decapitating him, although I don't know if he goes for dismemberment during combat.

Counted your votes btw.

 

[Shadowslash125]

That doesn't matter? I don't understand this.
Him not knowing it's dura negation doesn't mean he can't easily tell those things cut. Izuku isn't a idiot he can tell sharp things are dangerous and will avoid them. What do you think he's going to do, block a spike with his bare hands? He's never down something like that he always avoid blades or anything sharp.
Too late makes no sense since Izuku will dodge every attack. If Shin cuts through Blackwhip that just tells him even more to stay away.
I don't why you think him not knowing it's dura negation is a problem. Izuku has no cause to believe they wouldn't cut him.

I meant to say that Deku would treat his attacks like how he normally treats enemies with similar/identical arsenals. He would only think it's the average sharp claw shenanigans, but that doesn't mean he'd be blocking Shin's claws Shishido-style or anything risky like that. It's just that he doesn't need to put any particular priority on it, much unlike Shigaraki's deconstruction. When he gets close via Blackwhip restraints from the scans sent here, he's going to be more susceptible to Shin's attacks. Surely by that point, he'd put extra care into neutralizing Shin. Hopefully, I'm making sense.

Also, Shin has those same dura-neg cutters on his calf as well.