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My Hero Academia: America Brings Upgrades/Revisions

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Tldr the cloud feat doesn't line up with the damage shown the missiles made, so we should stick to the actually damage it actually did and not some clouds moving
 
sanicspood said:
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EDIT: Shit, didn't noticed Damage reminder lel
 
TheRustyOne said:
Easy part first, Shigaraki's dura scales to 100% due to taking countless 100% smashes while his body was weakened. He was severely injured, but this Izuku is stronger than his Heroes Rising self and he performed the 3.52 GT feat with the air pressure from his punch. Shigaraki took direct hits, so I believe he should scale to baseline High 7-A+ or 2.65 Gigatons.
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There is 0 reason for Shigaraki to downscale from the calc. Like you said, the feat was done with the air pressure of Deku's punch. We are given a canon difference in power between pure punches and air pressure, since 20% Air Force ~ 8% attacks. One for All also grew massively within the 4 month timeskip, so you have two cases of drastic upscaling for 100% Deku in the war arc.
TheRustyOne said:
Prime All Might would scale above this, and is likely comparable to current 100% Izuku. They'll either be baseline 6-C, or At least High 7-A+.
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Prime All Might is 5x Weakened All Might going by the chart that we already use.
 
Steve_Rogers1 said:
There is 0 reason for Shigaraki to downscale from the calc. Like you said, the feat was done with the air pressure of Deku's punch. We are given a canon difference in power between pure punches and air pressure, since 20% Air Force ~ 8% attacks. One for All also grew massively within the 4 month timeskip, so you have two cases of drastic upscaling for 100% Deku in the war arc.

Prime All Might is 5x Weakened All Might going by the chart that we already use.
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I forgot there was a chart, though do we have a definitive number for air pressure vs punches
 
Sorry, don't have time to talk and will just leave this scaling here. I'll check back tomorrow about what you guys think, but this should be the scaling.

Shigaraki: Large Mountain level+ (Is comparable to the Near High-End Nomu, which barely survived an explosion that was this powerful. Was able to take countless 100% punches from Deku, who is stronger than he was during Heroes Rising. Is stated to be just as strong as weakened All Might, and is considered to be a perfect Nomu by Aizawa)

Weakened All Might: Large Mountain level+ (Is just as durable as AFO Shigaraki. Is capable of matching the power of those that can harm him)

Two Heroes/Kamino All Might: Large Mountain level (Weaker than before, but is stronger than Endeavor)

Kamino All For One: Large Mountain level (Is able to injure, and take hits from All Might)

USJ Nomu: Large Mountain level+ (Can injure weakened All Might, who is just as durable as AFO Shigaraki)

High-Ends: Large Mountain level+ (Is stated by the doctor to possess stats beyond the Upper-Tier Nomu, meaning they're at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)

Gigantomachia: Large Mountain level+ (All Nomu are modeled after him, and is considered to be stronger than the Near High-Ends by the Doctor. Despite multiple Near High-Ends fighting, the Doctor believed that Machia's arrival would bring total destruction)

Endeavor: Large Mountain level (Can take a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki, though he started bleeding from the head. Is capable of clashing with Air Cannon, which can harm him)

45% Deku: Large Mountain level (Took a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki to the stomach, though he began to cough up blood. Is able to injure those that can harm him)

Mirko: Large Mountain level+ with Rabbit (Her kicks are strong enough to tear apart the bodies of High-End Nomu. Her legs can withstand the recoil of her kicks) Base Dura Mountain level+ (The rest of her body is not as durable as her legs. Took heavy damage from being thrown by a High-End, despite canceling the impact with her legs. Implied that she wouldn't be able to move had she not done that

Crust: Large Mountain level with Shield (Is able to somewhat injure the High-End Nomu with his shield) Large Mountain level+ Dura with Shield (Is capable of blocking attacks from the High-End Nomu)

Nejire: possibly Large Mountain level with Wave Motion (Possibly injured a Near High-End Nomu. AFO considered her and Todoroki's Quirks to be powerful)

Best Jeanist: Large Mountain level+ with Carbon Fibers (Was able to restrain and struggle against Gigantomachia for a period of time, but was overpowered eventually)

100% BoS Deku: Large Mountain level (Is equal to Two Heroes/Kamino All Might, who is superior to Endeavor)

Muscular: Large Mountain level Muscle Enhancement (Is cable to clash with 100% Deku, and overpower him while he was weakened)

Lady Nagant: Large Mountain level with Rifle (Is able to break through Deku's Mid-Gauntlet with her bullets, which can withstand his 45% without breaking. Is able to hurt 45% Deku with a jab from her rifle)

Dabi: Large Mountain level with Flashfire (His flames are stated to be superior to Endeavor's, and was able to overpower Shoto's Flashfire)

Shoto: Large Mountain level with Flashfire (Is capable of using Flashfire on the same level as Endeavor, was able to injure a weakened AFO Shigaraki along with Nejire)

Wolfram: Large Mountain level with Metal Manipulation (Is capable of inuring All Might, and was able to restrain him) higher with his strongest attack (His strongest attack required both All Might and 100% Deku to overpower it)

Nine: Large Mountain level+ with various Quirks (Is able to threaten 100% Full Cowl Deku and Bakugo with his attacks. Can block attacks from them individually with his shield. Was able to barely survive being kicked and blown up by both of them) higher with Weather Manipulation (It took both 100% Full Cowl Deku and Bakugo to get rid of his storm)

Prime All Might: At least Large Mountain level+, Island level (Is comparable to, or stronger than Villain Hunt 100% Deku, who is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising)

Villain Hunt 100% Deku: At least Large Mountain level+, Island level (Is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising, who could do this with the air pressure of his punch), higher with Fa Jin
 
TheRustyOne said:
Sorry, don't have time to talk and will just leave this scaling here. I'll check back tomorrow about what you guys think, but this should be the scaling.

Shigaraki: Large Mountain level+ (Is comparable to the Near High-End Nomu, which barely survived an explosion that was this powerful. Was able to take countless 100% punches from Deku, who is stronger than he was during Heroes Rising. Is stated to be just as strong as weakened All Might, and is considered to be a perfect Nomu by Aizawa)

Weakened All Might: Large Mountain level+ (Is just as durable as AFO Shigaraki. Is capable of matching the power of those that can harm him)

Two Heroes/Kamino All Might: Large Mountain level (Weaker than before, but is stronger than Endeavor)

Kamino All For One: Large Mountain level (Is able to injure, and take hits from All Might)

USJ Nomu: Large Mountain level+ (Can injure weakened All Might, who is just as durable as AFO Shigaraki)

High-Ends: Large Mountain level+ (Is stated by the doctor to possess stats beyond the Upper-Tier Nomu, meaning they're at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)

Gigantomachia: Large Mountain level+ (All Nomu are modeled after him, and is considered to be stronger than the Near High-Ends by the Doctor. Despite multiple Near High-Ends fighting, the Doctor believed that Machia's arrival would bring total destruction)

Endeavor: Large Mountain level (Can take a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki, though he started bleeding from the head. Is capable of clashing with Air Cannon, which can harm him)

45% Deku: Large Mountain level (Took a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki to the stomach, though he began to cough up blood. Is able to injure those that can harm him)

Mirko: Large Mountain level+ with Rabbit (Her kicks are strong enough to tear apart the bodies of High-End Nomu. Her legs can withstand the recoil of her kicks) Base Dura Mountain level+ (The rest of her body is not as durable as her legs. Took heavy damage from being thrown by a High-End, despite canceling the impact with her legs. Implied that she wouldn't be able to move had she not done that

Crust: Large Mountain level with Shield (Is able to somewhat injure the High-End Nomu with his shield) Large Mountain level+ Dura with Shield (Is capable of blocking attacks from the High-End Nomu)

Nejire: possibly Large Mountain level with Wave Motion (Possibly injured a Near High-End Nomu. AFO considered her and Todoroki's Quirks to be powerful)

Best Jeanist: Large Mountain level+ with Carbon Fibers (Was able to restrain and struggle against Gigantomachia for a period of time, but was overpowered eventually)

100% BoS Deku: Large Mountain level (Is equal to Two Heroes/Kamino All Might, who is superior to Endeavor)

Muscular: Large Mountain level Muscle Enhancement (Is cable to clash with 100% Deku, and overpower him while he was weakened)

Lady Nagant: Large Mountain level with Rifle (Is able to break through Deku's Mid-Gauntlet with her bullets, which can withstand his 45% without breaking. Is able to hurt 45% Deku with a jab from her rifle)

Dabi: Large Mountain level with Flashfire (His flames are stated to be superior to Endeavor's, and was able to overpower Shoto's Flashfire)

Shoto: Large Mountain level with Flashfire (Is capable of using Flashfire on the same level as Endeavor, was able to injure a weakened AFO Shigaraki along with Nejire)

Wolfram: Large Mountain level with Metal Manipulation (Is capable of inuring All Might, and was able to restrain him) higher with his strongest attack (His strongest attack required both All Might and 100% Deku to overpower it)

Nine: Large Mountain level+ with various Quirks (Is able to threaten 100% Full Cowl Deku and Bakugo with his attacks. Can block attacks from them individually with his shield. Was able to barely survive being kicked and blown up by both of them) higher with Weather Manipulation (It took both 100% Full Cowl Deku and Bakugo to get rid of his storm)

Prime All Might: At least Large Mountain level+, Island level (Is comparable to, or stronger than Villain Hunt 100% Deku, who is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising)

Villain Hunt 100% Deku: At least Large Mountain level+, Island level (Is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising, who could do this with the air pressure of his punch), higher with Fa Jin
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I agree with this scaling, thanks rusty
 
TheRustyOne said:
Sorry, don't have time to talk and will just leave this scaling here. I'll check back tomorrow about what you guys think, but this should be the scaling.

Shigaraki: Large Mountain level+ (Is comparable to the Near High-End Nomu, which barely survived an explosion that was this powerful. Was able to take countless 100% punches from Deku, who is stronger than he was during Heroes Rising. Is stated to be just as strong as weakened All Might, and is considered to be a perfect Nomu by Aizawa)

Weakened All Might: Large Mountain level+ (Is just as durable as AFO Shigaraki. Is capable of matching the power of those that can harm him)

Two Heroes/Kamino All Might: Large Mountain level (Weaker than before, but is stronger than Endeavor)

Kamino All For One: Large Mountain level (Is able to injure, and take hits from All Might)

USJ Nomu: Large Mountain level+ (Can injure weakened All Might, who is just as durable as AFO Shigaraki)

High-Ends: Large Mountain level+ (Is stated by the doctor to possess stats beyond the Upper-Tier Nomu, meaning they're at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)

Gigantomachia: Large Mountain level+ (All Nomu are modeled after him, and is considered to be stronger than the Near High-Ends by the Doctor. Despite multiple Near High-Ends fighting, the Doctor believed that Machia's arrival would bring total destruction)

Endeavor: Large Mountain level (Can take a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki, though he started bleeding from the head. Is capable of clashing with Air Cannon, which can harm him)

45% Deku: Large Mountain level (Took a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki to the stomach, though he began to cough up blood. Is able to injure those that can harm him)

Mirko: Large Mountain level+ with Rabbit (Her kicks are strong enough to tear apart the bodies of High-End Nomu. Her legs can withstand the recoil of her kicks) Base Dura Mountain level+ (The rest of her body is not as durable as her legs. Took heavy damage from being thrown by a High-End, despite canceling the impact with her legs. Implied that she wouldn't be able to move had she not done that

Crust: Large Mountain level with Shield (Is able to somewhat injure the High-End Nomu with his shield) Large Mountain level+ Dura with Shield (Is capable of blocking attacks from the High-End Nomu)

Nejire: possibly Large Mountain level with Wave Motion (Possibly injured a Near High-End Nomu. AFO considered her and Todoroki's Quirks to be powerful)

Best Jeanist: Large Mountain level+ with Carbon Fibers (Was able to restrain and struggle against Gigantomachia for a period of time, but was overpowered eventually)

100% BoS Deku: Large Mountain level (Is equal to Two Heroes/Kamino All Might, who is superior to Endeavor)

Muscular: Large Mountain level Muscle Enhancement (Is cable to clash with 100% Deku, and overpower him while he was weakened)

Lady Nagant: Large Mountain level with Rifle (Is able to break through Deku's Mid-Gauntlet with her bullets, which can withstand his 45% without breaking. Is able to hurt 45% Deku with a jab from her rifle)

Dabi: Large Mountain level with Flashfire (His flames are stated to be superior to Endeavor's, and was able to overpower Shoto's Flashfire)

Shoto: Large Mountain level with Flashfire (Is capable of using Flashfire on the same level as Endeavor, was able to injure a weakened AFO Shigaraki along with Nejire)

Wolfram: Large Mountain level with Metal Manipulation (Is capable of inuring All Might, and was able to restrain him) higher with his strongest attack (His strongest attack required both All Might and 100% Deku to overpower it)

Nine: Large Mountain level+ with various Quirks (Is able to threaten 100% Full Cowl Deku and Bakugo with his attacks. Can block attacks from them individually with his shield. Was able to barely survive being kicked and blown up by both of them) higher with Weather Manipulation (It took both 100% Full Cowl Deku and Bakugo to get rid of his storm)

Prime All Might: At least Large Mountain level+, Island level (Is comparable to, or stronger than Villain Hunt 100% Deku, who is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising)

Villain Hunt 100% Deku: At least Large Mountain level+, Island level (Is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising, who could do this with the air pressure of his punch), higher with Fa Jin
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Mirko>>>>>>Endeavor?
 
I'll get into it more tomorrow, and my issues with the proposals but regarding this:

All Nomu are modeled after him, and is considered to be stronger than the Near High-Ends by the Doctor
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When does the doctor say Gigantomachia is stronger than the Near High-Ends?
 
Theendzero13 said:
Can you provide evidence for 20% air punches scaling to 8% normal punches

(Assuming downscaling from deku higher porcentages is okay, which it will probrably not be)
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20% finger flicks hurt 8% as shown with Gentle reflecting them back and hurting Deku, and with Lover Mode Gentle being hurt by a finger flick to the leg.
 
Imagine if in the next chapter the yield value of the missiles is revealed to be 10 megaton

Anyway, I agree
 
So is there gonna be a revision(upgrade) for all might, deku, the nomu, high-end etc to large mountain level? (and above)-this for the higher end characters.
 
Did I jus see My hero academia and Multi Continental??? This is also canon from the manga oh yeaa it’s over I’m str8 using that calc forever. Didn’t we also have another feat from the Heroes rising movie that was calced and had the dispersal cloud feat at continental as well?
 
KashinKojiiiiii said:
Did I jus see My hero academia and Multi Continental??? This is also canon from the manga oh yeaa it’s over I’m str8 using that calc forever. Didn’t we also have another feat from the Heroes rising movie that was calced and had the dispersal cloud feat at continental as well?
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I comment on this in the general thread of my hero academia:
In just a few hours there are many things to say against the calculation, which is ... at least something weird:
1) It is a cloud calculation.
2) in the comments of the calculation "Timmy Mortero" made his own version, resulting lower.
3) the number of kilometers is impossible.
4) Since we still do not have official height, we use "All Might", but most likely "Star and Stripe" is smaller than "All Might", so when we are given the official height of the character the difference height will affect the calculation (the giant is 1000 times bigger than it, so if it is even 10 cm smaller it would mean that the giant is 100 meters smaller, and this would affect the pixel scaling).
5) possible OUTLIER.

and "Theendzero13" added:
6) 230 kilometer thick cloud, not counting the distance from base to ocean floor which is around 3 times larger,
7) natural clouds being even higher than that

So...........................NO
 
Sparkive said:
I comment on this in the general thread of my hero academia:
In just a few hours there are many things to say against the calculation, which is ... at least something weird:
1) It is a cloud calculation.
2) in the comments of the calculation "Timmy Mortero" made his own version, resulting lower.
3) the number of kilometers is impossible.
4) Since we still do not have official height, we use "All Might", but most likely "Star and Stripe" is smaller than "All Might", so when we are given the official height of the character the difference height will affect the calculation (the giant is 1000 times bigger than it, so if it is even 10 cm smaller it would mean that the giant is 100 meters smaller, and this would affect the pixel scaling).
5) possible OUTLIER.

and "Theendzero13" added:
6) 230 kilometer thick cloud, not counting the distance from base to ocean floor which is around 3 times larger,
7) natural clouds being even higher than that

So...........................NO
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Yea I seen the comments below the calc. Timmy saying each missile being around small country instead of the latter. Which is still good to me. The fixed calc would be large country instead of Multi Continent
 
Also another thing I disagree with is the scaling of the calc. Rather than assuming the ocean depth and scaling that to the crater. The crater should be scaled from the hole Shigaraki made. The hole is able to fit Shigaraki so its at least a few meters and its shown to be that around that size in two different panels. Using the current calc that hole would be dozens to hundreds of meters which its not.
 
Dual_Binoculars said:
Also another thing I disagree with is the scaling of the calc. Rather than assuming the ocean depth and scaling that to the crater. The crater should be scaled from the hole Shigaraki made. The hole is able to fit Shigaraki so its at least a few meters and its shown to be that around that size in two different panels. Using the current calc that hole would be dozens to hundreds of meters which its not.
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It has to be hundreds just based off the simple fact that they’re in the middle of the ocean and seabed’s offrip can only be visibly seen when a depth of 200m or more is dwelled through. I sent a link showing seabed levels, on top of that you said the hole is able to fit Shigaraki so it’s a few meters and that’s the only thing we scale off of? Wrong in the scan we see a large scale hole then there’s a hole within the already big hole. That’s the one Shigaraki created when being held downwards by the super laser, and during the interval of the laser to missile punch switch.
 
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I'm not good with calculations, but let me say that point 4 will also affect the calculation discussed here WHEN WE KNOW THE HEIGHT OF IT, and considering that each missile is close to the baseline it may end up being so or even only reach 7-A+

Anyway, I'm going to sleep, that tomorrow is school day and where I live it is already 22:42
 
KashinKojiiiiii said:
It has to be hundreds just based off the simple fact that they’re in the middle of the ocean and seabed’s offrip can only be visibly seen when a depth of 200m or more is dwelled through. I sent a link showing seabed levels, on top of that you said the hole is able to fit Shigaraki so it’s a few meters and that’s the only thing we scale off of? Wrong in the scan we see a large scale hole then there’s a hole within the already big hole. That’s the one Shigaraki created when being held downwards by the super laser, and during the interval of the laser to missile punch switch.
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I think u miss understand the crater itself is hundreds of meters wide at least, but I disagree with it being 10 km. I propose that it would be less of an assumption to scale the large crater size based off the small crater that Shiggy made rather than assume that the water depth is 3.7 km and scale that to the large crater.
 
Dual_Binoculars said:
I think u miss understand the crater itself is hundreds of meters wide at least, but I disagree with it being 10 km. I propose that it would be less of an assumption to scale the large crater size based off the small crater that Shiggy made rather than assume that the water depth is 3.7 km and scale that to the large crater.
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So you want to scale the size of the big crater to the hole Shigaraki made? I disagree jus based off the simple fact that we’re not assuming the water depth but more so we know based off what’s scientifically proven that the water depth is around 3.7km based off multiple factual sites.
 
KashinKojiiiiii said:
So you want to scale the size of the big crater to the hole Shigaraki made? I disagree jus based off the simple fact that we’re not assuming the water depth but more so we know based off what’s scientifically proven that the water depth is around 3.7km based off multiple factual sites.
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3.7 km is the average depth of the ocean, but that section of the ocean could be shallower or deeper we just don't know. Its far more concrete to scale the damage to something in the same panel that can actually be measured and not have an assumed height placed on it.
 
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