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Dual Binoculars does raise a good point.
In the panel of the crater we can see the hole that Tomura made at the bottom of it. It would not be visible if the crater actually was 10 kilometers across.
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In the panel of the crater we can see the hole that Tomura made at the bottom of it. It would not be visible if the crater actually was 10 kilometers across.
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If the calc has problems, the entire thread becomes bunk.
Might be best to wait and see what Therefir has to say.
Might be best to wait and see what Therefir has to say.
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This is another calc point (not necessarily a debunk, just a question) but when Star and Stripe makes her avatar that is "1000 times bigger" how do we know that she means it is 1000 times taller than her? Couldn't bigger also refer to overall volume?
I was thinking about this after we have the comparison panel between the missiles, Star and Stripe and the avatar's hand.
I was thinking about this after we have the comparison panel between the missiles, Star and Stripe and the avatar's hand.
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I think we'd need another translation in that case, if that becomes a problem as well. Another translation had it be 1000X her own size.
Though 1000X bigger does make me think of taller, not volume wise. But I guess it isn't impossible?
Though 1000X bigger does make me think of taller, not volume wise. But I guess it isn't impossible?
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If the volume is 1000x bigger, that would include her size as well. The definition for volume incorporates height, width, and length into the equation. Just looking at Star makes it obvious her height is increased immensely.
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Yes, I'm obviously not denying that the avatar is immensely taller than her, but a 1000 x increase in volume would not mean a 1000 x increase in height.
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Star's ability is based on the common sense of the people around her. It is more likely to be 1000 times greater in terms of height than volume, based on the fact that when you compared your size to someone else's no one thinks about body volume
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Did just that and the hole is far too small, a diameter around 50 meters. (And I was highballing, the actual size would be less than that)
The crater shouldn't be any smaller than this. The explosion is bigger than the giant, which is 1000X bigger than Star. A 50 meter crater would be far smaller than the giant. Using the hole is pointless, but the ocean depth being used also seems incorrect. So I don't think it is possible to truly calc the size of the crater using that shot.
Best bet would be to just calc the explosion, and use the explosion formula. Though the current calc assumes SaS is All Might size, which I believe is incorrect, for safety I'd put her at 6 FT or 1.82 m. Doing that gets me 29.96 MT for the explosion, divided by 10 and we get 2.99 MT for a single missile.
Which is... Low 7-B. Consistent?
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50 meters? I got the diameter of the crater to be roughly 200 meters across.
Although... Is just calcing the explosion alone an option? Because that result seems a lot less out there than High 7-A.
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I Feel 200 would be more consistent with the sheer size we saw from the Tiamat Missile Explosion
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How? What are you doing to make that tiny hole that big, it doesn't appear to be any larger than Shigaraki's width.
Should only be slightly bigger than his shoulder to shoulder width right?
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Also Looking at the panel again the doesn't seem to be shigaraki but the hole he fled through, meaning that star's height from her giant form and Therefir's method may still work
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some issues may have come with the scaling for Star's missile explosion, lowering it's rating
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I took a look at 332 again, and it doesn't seem to give any indicator for the hole being the size of shigaraki, only showing shigaraki later jumping out of his with enough for to cause more cracks
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I used the height of Shigaraki as the diameter of it, as the diagram showed up lying across the top of the hole at the top at first.
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Using the Ocean depth is incorrect, since 50 km isn't even off the continental shelf, which is somewhere around 200 km.
We can't really measure the hole, but Shigaraki's position coming out of the hole means there was enough room for him to stand. I don't remember any other way to calc that hole size, so at best I can say it is slightly more than Shigaraki's width.
I highly doubt we should talk that picture seriously, also in that picture his height was bigger than the hole's diameter.
We can't really measure the hole, but Shigaraki's position coming out of the hole means there was enough room for him to stand. I don't remember any other way to calc that hole size, so at best I can say it is slightly more than Shigaraki's width.
I highly doubt we should talk that picture seriously, also in that picture his height was bigger than the hole's diameter.
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if this does cause issues dies this mean we need another supporting feat for High 7-A/6-C My Hero?
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I think that's the case unfortunately.
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If this feat isn't High 7-A, than the Heroes Rising feat is back to being an outlier. There might still be an upgrade, but not up to High 7-A.
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Dammit.. we were so close.
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Ah Ok, I looked at Therefir's again, and how he got the depth, he used a scientific article as a source for the ocean depth being 3.7 km on average, meaning that while lofty, it may still be correct
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That depth is highballed, since the big drops in the oceans don't really start until they're off the continental shelf.
The average ocean depth of 3.7 km wouldn't be that close to Japan, usually. It might be possible, but it's likely very rare.
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do we know the distance from the shore to where the fight is taking place?
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50 KM, it is stated that's where Shigaraki was waiting for her.
Chapter 329. "Along her flight path, 50 km ahead of the landing point... Is him!"
Chapter 329. "Along her flight path, 50 km ahead of the landing point... Is him!"
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Assuming the landing point is somewhere on the coast, the fight is taking place 50 km off-shore.
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Wasn't it stated they're outside of Japan's Airspace?
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Yes, it would? I mean, it's obvious that this is a general increase in terms of volume. And if you know how mathematics works, you would know that an increase in volume would be an increase in several other dimensions, such as; width, height, and length.
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Ah, ok thank 3.7 would be the most likely, as at that point it's reaching into the pacific plate (we know because we're nowhere near any other landmasses, which the Philippine plate would give us at least in the distance and not the Eurasian plate because well, we're not going into China and stuff), which after 3.7 km can reach 6km normally and 9km to 10km in the trenches (it's from the same article you provided)
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Did they? Also what distance would that be if they did?
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if they were than we'd have to assume 3.7km as the depth , as by that point they are very far into the pacific which means that it's likely, unless we want to take it to outlier territory with 6km depths
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What distance is that though, how far out is Japanese airspace? They stated Shigaraki was waiting for her 50 km ahead of her landing point.
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I think you're mistaken. Changing the volume by a certain amount doesn't mean that all of the dimensions change by the same amount. Look here.
Quoted relevant part:
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_of_Japan3.png) here's a link of the Japanese airspace, don't have a distance for it but we can atleast assume they are somewhere out there
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I'm just wait for what Therefir has to say, I'm out of my element here.
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Fair enough, I can't really do this either
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though if we could find another High 7-A feat would posting it here work? (I don't have any ideas for those outside of the Cube, but I'm just wondering)
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Ok, then. I've read somewhere that ocean depth on average is around 1500 meters.
Fair point.
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Honestly wouldn't be hard to find, like, at all. In fact, there are a few High 7-A feats that are just ight under our noses, people just haven't realized it yet. I'll eventually elaborate once I finish looking into it.
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