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My Hero Academia: America Brings Upgrades/Revisions

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TheRustyOne said:
Regarding the calc, another calc group member will have take a look at them if they both keep their stance. A tie breaker, maybe Dragon or Mitch.

In my opinion, like Therefir said the laser size is likely off from the perspective, and the laser varies in size between shots. While his calc uses the average water depth around the 50 km area of Japan's coast. Which actually seems pretty accurate to me, since 630 meters isn't that far off from 1000 m and the laser is changing size between shots.

We also don't know if the laser actually reached the bottom of the ocean in the shot you measured too. It could've went more down, and the position of her giant's hand on the laser seems to change as well.

I personally think Therefir version is fine as well.
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This sums up my view with it
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Should Shiggy get MHS reactions then? Assuming that he is reacting to Deku’s 100% barrage.
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Shigaraki was unable to touch Izuku. Izuku's punches are too fast for him to block, it seems like he's just protecting himself by holding his arms up.

Also he isn't getting hit in his arms, so he isn't blocking them either. Just a stance to try and protect himself I guess?
 
Acer__ said:
I'm excited for Star to have a profile, I'd love to see how she does in V.S debating (because she can't manipulate a person without knowing their name)
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Maybe the fight would have specified conditions, where SS would know the persons name. Idk if that falls under SBR or what
 
Damage3245 said:
I can understand your reasons for thinks why 1 km is preferable, but I still think it would be good as an alternative end to the calc.

The tilting I don't believe would affect it too much since it's still pretty close to Star's face which is the reference for the sizes, and we're not scaling the beam that is furtherest away from her.
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There is also a major issue regarding the premise of your calc. In the first image you used, Shigaraki was not yet at the bottom of the ocean until the next page, and there is no way to know where exactly Shigaraki was located and how deep the laser was on the "Keraunos" page.

This is the page that you used.
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However, as we can see here, Shigaraki only reaches the bottom of the ocean in the following page.
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Ok I think everything looks , it’s just that if endeavor is 7-a I feel shigi should at least be 7-a+ or maybe high 7-a because shigi was incomplete and without his quirk was fairly stomping endeavor, idk what do y’all think?
 
Alancaliber said:
Ok I think everything looks , it’s just that if endeavor is 7-a I feel shigi should at least be 7-a+ or maybe high 7-a because shigi was incomplete and without his quirk was fairly stomping endeavor, idk what do y’all think?
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That seems fair, He was slapping endeavor around with bare strength while Aizawa was erasing his quirks so that is just bare strength
 
Alancaliber said:
Ok I think everything looks , it’s just that if endeavor is 7-a I feel shigi should at least be 7-a+ or maybe high 7-a because shigi was incomplete and without his quirk was fairly stomping endeavor, idk what do y’all think?
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No, Shigaraki is 7-A+ 640 MT for his own feat, and Endeavor downscales to 550 MT for being weaker than Shigaraki. Not the other way around.

Shigaraki did do good damage with a punch, but it isn't like he broke the bones in his face or something.

Shigaraki being incomplete and Quirkless is pointless, since his percentage didn't affect his physical strength and he has yet to boost his strength/defense with any Quirks.
 
TheRustyOne said:
No, Shigaraki is 640 MT for his own feat, and Endeavor downscales to 550 MT for being weaker than Shigaraki. Not the other way around.

Shigaraki did do good damage with a punch, but it isn't like he broke the bones in his face or something.

Shigaraki being incomplete and Quirkless is meaningless, since his percentage didn't affect his physical strength and he has yet to boost his strength/defense with any Quirks.
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I think you need to repost your previous Proposed Scaling since it seems some people didn't read it.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Shigaraki: '''Mountain level+''' 640 Megatons (Is equal to a Near High-End Nomu, who barely survived the explosion of 10 Tiamat Missiles. Which means he should be able to withstand the explosion of a single missile. Is stated to be as strong as weakened All Might. Was able to take countless 100% Smashes, from Deku, who is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising. Albeit he took heavy injures even with regeneration. Heroes Rising Deku performed a 740 Megaton feat, with the air pressure from his punch)

USJ All Might: '''Mountain level+''' (Is stated to be just as durable as Shigaraki, who can withstand the explosion of a single Tiamat missile. Is equal to the USJ Nomu in strength, who is strong enough to harm him), '''higher''' with Plus Ultra

USJ Nomu: '''Mountain level+''' (Can injure weakened All Might, who is just as durable as Shigaraki), '''higher''' with Shock Absorption (Withstood over three hundred hits from Plus Ultra All Might)

High-End/Hood: '''Mountain level+''' (The doctor states that their stats are beyond the Upper-Tier Nomu, which should at least make the comparable to the USJ Nomu)

Gigantomachia: '''Mountain level+''' (Pulverized part of a mountain over a short period of time. Destroyed 20 cities on his way to Shigaraki. Doctor Garaki, despite unleashing dozens of Near High-End Nomu, believed that Machia's arrive would bring total destruction. Was able to take a fire enhanced attack from Endeavor, despite being weakened with a sedative)

Endeavor: '''Mountain level+''' 550 Megatons, Baseline 7-A+ (Is able to take a direct punch from Shigaraki, though his head was bleeding from the hit. Is able to take being tossed through buildings by Hood. Is able to clash with Shigaraki's Air Cannon, which is strong enough to harm him)

Two Heroes/Kamino All Might: '''Mountain level+''' higher than 550 Megatons, less than 640 Megatons. (Is slightly weaker than before, but is still stronger than Endeavor), '''higher''' with Plus Ultra

Mirko: '''Mountain level+''' > 640 Megatons with Rabbit (Her kicks are strong enough to tear off body parts of multiple High-Ends), Base Dura '''Mountain level''' 100 Megatons, Baseline 7-A (Able to survive being thrown by a Hospital High-End], who is comparable in strength to [[Hood]], though its attack heavily damaged her] even when she soften the impact with her legs. Implied that she wouldn't have been able to keep moving if it weren't for that), '''higher''' with Rabbit (Her legs can withstand the recoil of her kicks)

Crust: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT with Shield (His shields can cause some damage to the High-Ends), '''higher''' 640 MT with Shield (Is able to block hits from the High-Ends)

Nejire: Possibly '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT (Might have been able to injure a Near High-End, which are stated to be as strong as Hood. AFO considered her and Todoroki's Quirks to be powerful)

Best Jeanist: '''Mountain level+''' 640 MT with Carbon Fibers (Was able to restrain and struggle against Gigantomachia for a period of time, but was overpowered eventually)

100% BoS Deku and Muscular: '''Mountain level+''' (Is equal to Two Heroes/Kamino All Might, who is superior to Endeavor. Muscular can take a direct hit from 100%, and overpower a slightly weakened 100% punch)

45% Deku: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT (Took a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki to the stomach, though it made him cough up blood. Is able to injure those that can harm him)

Lady Nagant: '''Mountain level+''' with Rifle (Is able to break through Deku's Mid-Gauntlet with her bullets, which can withstand his 45% without breaking. Is able to hurt 45% Deku with a jab from her rifle)

Dabi: '''Mountain level+''' higher than 550 MT with Flashfire (His flames are stated to be superior to Endeavor's, and was able to overpower Shoto's Flashfire)

Shoto: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT with Flashfire/Flashfreeze (Is capable of using Flashfire on the same level as Endeavor, and was able to injure a weakened AFO Shigaraki alongside Nejire)

Prime All Might/Current 100% Deku: At least '''Mountain level+''' 740 Megatons or High 7-A/1 Gigaton via upscaling, '''higher''' with Fa Jin
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Even shoto is mountain level? Wouldn’t that make bakugo mountain level too or is that just some other stuff, it seems like your essentially making all the characters the same level, I mean are we saying shoto and nejire are on par with his dad and usj all might? I feel we should be downscaling them at least a little
 
Alancaliber said:
Even shoto is mountain level? Wouldn’t that make bakugo mountain level too or is that just some other stuff, it seems like your essentially making all the characters the same level, I mean are we saying shoto and nejire are on par with his dad and usj all might? I feel we should be downscaling them at least a little
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Bakugo isn't stated to be as strong as Shoto is currently, and Shoto's always been a higher tier than him anyway. Shoto is scaling to Endeavor, due to him having fire power on par with Endeavor. As stated by All Might.

Nejire is downscaling from causing some damage to a High-End Nomu 640 MT, nothing states that she must be inferior to Endeavor no matter what.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Bakugo isn't stated to be as strong as Shoto is currently, and Shoto's always been a higher tier than him anyway. Shoto is scaling to Endeavor, due to him having fire power on par with Endeavor. As stated by All Might.

Nejire is downscaling from a High-End Nomu, nothing states that she must be inferior to Endeavor no matter what.
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To back up the Nejire thing, I'm pretty sure AFO also said that her Quirk is pretty damn powerful.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Bakugo isn't stated to be as strong as Shoto is currently, and Shoto's always been a higher tier than him anyway. Shoto is scaling to Endeavor, due to him having fire power on par with Endeavor. As stated by All Might.

Nejire is downscaling from cause some damage to a High-End Nomu 640 MT, nothing states that she must be inferior to Endeavor no matter what.
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Come on man, it’s probably even been implied throughout the series that bakugo is either on par or stronger, I feel like we’re adding waay to much, endeavor would destroy them both in a fight, we’re sacking off the damage they done but that damage wasn’t too much for them to be scaled up that much from it , idk it just feel like a lot to add just using some damage feats
 
Alancaliber said:
Come on man, it’s probably even been implied throughout the series that bakugo is either on par or stronger, I feel like we’re adding waay to much, endeavor would destroy them both in a fight, we’re sacking off the damage they done but that damage wasn’t too much for them to be scaled up that much from it , idk it just feel like a lot to add judging using some damage feats
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We don't scale based off assumptions, that's why Bakugo doesn't scale to 30% Izuku despite matching him in speed. There is zero implication that current Bakugo is comparable to current Shoto.

Shoto is stated by All Might to have fire power on par with Endeavor, there is no getting around that.

Nejire's rating is a possibly because we can't see how much she damaged the Nomu, so we downscale her. However her Quirk was also considered to be strong by AFO, alongside Shoto's Quirk. Which implies that her Quirk and Shoto's have comparable power to each other.
 
TheRustyOne said:
We don't scale based off assumptions, that's why Bakugo doesn't scale to 30% Izuku despite matching him in speed. There is zero implication that current Bakugo is comparable to current Shoto.

Shoto is stated by All Might to have fire power on par with Endeavor, there is no getting around that.

Nejire's rating is a possibly because we can't see how much she damaged the Nomu, so we downscale her. However her Quirk was also considered to be strong by AFO, alongside Shoto's Quirk. Which implies that her Quirk and Shoto's have comparable power to each other.
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But isn’t that literally assumptions too? I mean just cuz afo called their quirk strong doesn’t indicate much, I’m not disagreeing with the calcs I’m just saying it seems like too much to scale everyone up to the same level through little damage feat especially to usj almight levels
 
Alancaliber said:
But isn’t that literally assumptions too? I mean just cuz afo called their quirk strong doesn’t indicate much
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It isn't just that, she also harmed a Near High-End Nomu, which is just as strong as Hood. They're 640 MT.

We don't know by how much, so we downscale her to 550 MT and make it a possibly rating.

That along with the statement supports each other.
 
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