My Hero Academia: America Brings Upgrades/Revisions

[TheRustyOne]

Using a depth of 630 meters downgrades the results for Tiamat to 1.564 Gigatons or High 7-A.

However, would Heroes Rising be an outlier if accepted? It is 700+ MT, less than the missiles still.

Because in this case, we can still say Shigaraki's dura is 550 MT or baseline 7-A+ for surviving multiple 100% hits.

If not, he becomes 156 Megatons or almost baseline 7-A.

 

[Spinoirr]

Well we don't really see how deep the water is or get a good view of how long the laser is and how much is in the water

So I would probably still go off the whole 1 km deep thing as they are 50kms away from mainland Japan

 

[TheRustyOne]

I think the reasoning is that Shigaraki was able to decay the ocean floor while he was pinned by the laser, meaning he was close enough to touch it.

 

[Damage3245]

Using a depth of 630 meters downgrades the results for Tiamat to 1.564 Gigatons or High 7-A.

However, would Heroes Rising be an outlier if accepted? It is 700+ MT, less than the missiles still.

Because in this case, we can still say Shigaraki's dura is 550 MT or baseline 7-A+ for surviving multiple 100% hits.

If not, he becomes 156 Megatons or almost baseline 7-A.

I'm pretty sure the Heroes Rising calc wouldn't be an outlier.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Using a depth of 630 meters downgrades the results for Tiamat to 1.564 Gigatons or High 7-A.

However, would Heroes Rising be an outlier if accepted? It is 700+ MT, less than the missiles still.

Because in this case, we can still say Shigaraki's dura is 550 MT or baseline 7-A+ for surviving multiple 100% hits.

If not, he becomes 156 Megatons or almost baseline 7-A.

I think we should stick with the 1 km calc tbh

 

[Damage3245]

I think we should stick with the 1 km calc tbh

Sticking with it or not is something that could be handled by Calc Group Members ultimately.

First we need to establish if the method is worth doing at all as an alternative end. Personally I think it is but I want to get Therefir's input.

 

[Spinoirr]

Also the lasers size changes, like it literally reaches from the clouds were jets fly to the sea floor as shown when the missiles were coming

 

[TheRustyOne]

Okay, let me prepare an alternate scaling just in case this is accepted.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

My only issue is the lasers length is inconsistent as heck. Some moments it’s taller than Star’s avatar, sometimes it’s like a sword for a normal person.

The shot of it reaching into the sky and nearly touching the clouds comes to mind.

There’s also a shot this chapter, when Star catches the missiles, where we see nearly the full avatar next to the spear, and it’s seems directly comparable in size.

Also, the shot used for the amount of laser beneath the ocean seems weird because Shigaraki hasn’t hit the bottom by that time.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah that's exactly what I was saying

It's way too inconsistent to use a scene from before she puts it into the ground and it somehow grows in size after she trusts it into the ground, it's honestly better to use the 1km deep thing as we know for a fact they are 50kms away from mainland Japan

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah that's exactly what I was saying

It's way too inconsistent to use a scene from before she puts it into the ground and it somehow grows in size after she trusts it into the ground, it's honestly better to use the 1km deep thing as we know for a fact they are 50kms away from mainland Japan

I wouldn't say it grows in size. It's mostly just different perspective shots.

The full length of the laser isn't what is being scaled anyway; only the part below her hands & the waterline.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I personally agree with using 1km, though if it's agreed to by other people then it should work

 

[TheRustyOne]

If we're using the 630 meter depth, a single missile would be 156 MT. But do you think, in this case, we can scale Shigaraki to Baseline 7-A+ (550 MT) for taking a direct hit from 100% to the face. Since just air pressure from a previous 100% punch, was 740 MT.

Yes his jaw was almost ripped off. However, I think his durability was less than normal since his body was breaking down and splitting open. When he regenerated, he was shown to be more durable than before. Since Izuku landed multiple 100% hits on him, and it wasn't like he was punching holes through him.

Another question, is this kick 45% or 100%. If 100% than this shows how after he regenerated his body became more durable since it was fixing itself. If it was 45%, than at least this is a feat of Izuku harming Shigaraki. Since that is a noticeable bruise from that kick.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

If we're using the 630 meter depth, a single missile would be 156 MT. But do you think, in this case, we can scale Shigaraki to Baseline 7-A+ (550 MT) for taking a direct hit from 100% to the face. Since just air pressure from a previous 100% punch, was 740 MT.

Yes his jaw was almost ripped off. However, I think his durability was less than normal since his body was breaking down and splitting open. When he regenerated, he was shown to be more durable than before. Since Izuku landed multiple 100% hits on him, and it wasn't like he was punching holes through him.

Another question, is this kick 45% or 100%. If 100% than this shows how after he regenerated his body became more durable since it was fixing itself. If it was 45%, than at least this is a feat of Izuku harming Shigaraki. Since that is a noticeable bruise from that kick.

Most Likely 45, however is this from before or after Shigaraki gutted Bakugou (speaking on that why does Bakugou only have city block durability if he survived hits from Shigaraki and if I'm correct a near high end)

 

[TheRustyOne]

Bakugo did not take a hit from Shigaraki, he was impaled. The attack went straight through him, he doesn't scale to that. If you got shot and a bullet went through you, does that mean your 9-B?

This is before Shigaraki gutted him.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Bakugo did not take a hit from Shigaraki, he was impaled. The attack went straight through him, he doesn't scale to that. If you got shot and a bullet went through you, does that mean your 9-B?

This is before Shigaraki gutted him.

Oh then it's 45% (deku also states that the last two only wrecked his arms, so it wasn't applied to his legs), and thanks for the explanation

 

[TheRustyOne]

I'm not certain if it is, since at this point Izuku was raging out since Gran Torino was impaled.

He already used two 100% smashes at this point, and he states in the panel after this one that he no longer cares what happens to him.

So I think there is a good chance of this being 100%, though I'd like to see what others have to say.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I'm not certain if it is, since at this point Izuku was raging out since Gran Torino was impaled.

He already used two 100% smashes at this point, and he states in the panel after this one that he no longer cares what happens to him.

So I think there is a good chance of this being 100%, though I'd like to see what others have to say.

that's a fair point, my reasoning for 45% was that until Bakugou got gutted, he mostly used 45%

 

[SuperStar]

Bakugo did not take a hit from Shigaraki, he was impaled. The attack went straight through him, he doesn't scale to that. If you got shot and a bullet went through you, does that mean your 9-B?

This is before Shigaraki gutted him.

Bullets don't affect me, so you can't use this

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Bullets don't affect me, so you can't use this

(What I also thought was that humans also are oddly durable to weird things and then die from falling down the stairs, like Vesna Vulović survived a fall from over 10km without a parachute)

 

[Therefir]

Now? Okay. Here.

@Therefir; I didn't do the entire calc all over again, but I did put this together to show a lower end for the depth being used. If you think the method looks fair enough off of the sandbox then I can go ahead and make lower end version of the calc for a full comparison.

We would be better off not using an inconsistent laser to calculate the depth of the ocean that we can't actually see at the time. I for example got 1.3 kilometers for the laser above the ocean (with the laser extending beyond the panel) and there are some panels where the laser is even comparable in size to Star's giant shape.

So I still think that using 1 kilometer is better, as it has fewer scaling steps and comes from research in the coastal area of Japan.

You also measured the laser when Star was holding it tilted, and that alone can create a big problem in perspective and scaling.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

We would be better off not using an inconsistent laser to calculate the depth of the ocean that we can't actually see at the time. I for example got 1.3 kilometers for the laser above the ocean (with the laser extending beyond the panel) and there are some panels where the laser is even comparable in size to Star's giant shape.

So I still think that using 1 kilometer is better, as it has fewer scaling steps and comes from research in the coastal area of Japan.

You also measured the laser when Star was holding it tilted, and that alone can create a big problem in perspective and scaling.

Yeah this is a good point, and definitely makes a stronger case for 1km than 630m

 

[Damage3245]

We would be better off not using an inconsistent laser to calculate the depth of the ocean that we can't actually see at the time. I for example got 1.3 kilometers for the laser above the ocean (with the laser extending beyond the panel) and there are some panels where the laser is even comparable in size to Star's giant shape.

So I still think that using 1 kilometer is better, as it has fewer scaling steps and comes from research in the coastal area of Japan.

You also measured the laser when Star was holding it tilted, and that alone can create a big problem in perspective and scaling.

I can understand your reasons for thinks why 1 km is preferable, but I still think it would be good as an alternative end to the calc.

The tilting I don't believe would affect it too much since it's still pretty close to Star's face which is the reference for the sizes, and we're not scaling the beam that is furtherest away from her.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

If we're using the 630 meter depth, a single missile would be 156 MT. But do you think, in this case, we can scale Shigaraki to Baseline 7-A+ (550 MT) for taking a direct hit from 100% to the face. Since just air pressure from a previous 100% punch, was 740 MT.

Yes his jaw was almost ripped off. However, I think his durability was less than normal since his body was breaking down and splitting open. When he regenerated, he was shown to be more durable than before. Since Izuku landed multiple 100% hits on him, and it wasn't like he was punching holes through him.

Another question, is this kick 45% or 100%. If 100% than this shows how after he regenerated his body became more durable since it was fixing itself. If it was 45%, than at least this is a feat of Izuku harming Shigaraki. Since that is a noticeable bruise from that kick.

I’ve often thought that kick was 100%.

The wording, however, is strange, and seems to lean either way. He claims “he’s adapting to my 100% attacks and taking hits! But… his wounds are healing slower, the damage is sticking!” Immediately after kicking him. This implies that the kick he just did was 100%, and through the damage it did, he can see Shigaraki is weaker.

However, he then only references the two punches he did against Shigaraki. “The last two 100% attacks wrecked my left arm!” This implies his kick WASN’T 100%, because he would have counted it as a third attack.

I suppose, if you want to assume this kick right before he declares “I will now be going all out” was 45%, you could interpret the statement of “he’s adapting to 100% attacks” to mean that his 45% was not going to be enough.

In that case, the sequence of events would be:

1) Deku kicks Shiggy at 45%

2) Deku sees that Shigaraki took the hit, and realizes that Shigaraki has adapted to the previous two 100% punches, meaning 45% is not enough

3) Deku then realizes the damage from his 45% kick is sticking and not being instantly healed. The damage from his 45% kick is still there in the form of that bruise on Shiggy’s stomach.

4) He decides to use 100% attacks for the rest of the time to defeat Shigaraki, even though his first two attacks at 100%, the punches, broke his arm.

This would be the interpretation of events if that kick is 45%.

 

[Damage3245]

@Kingofwolves999; that's a good analysis.

Is there anything later in the fight that suggests his legs are as wrecked as his arms are after those 2 100% punches?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

If we're using the 630 meter depth, a single missile would be 156 MT. But do you think, in this case, we can scale Shigaraki to Baseline 7-A+ (550 MT) for taking a direct hit from 100% to the face. Since just air pressure from a previous 100% punch, was 740 MT.

Yes his jaw was almost ripped off. However, I think his durability was less than normal since his body was breaking down and splitting open. When he regenerated, he was shown to be more durable than before. Since Izuku landed multiple 100% hits on him, and it wasn't like he was punching holes through him.

Another question, is this kick 45% or 100%. If 100% than this shows how after he regenerated his body became more durable since it was fixing itself. If it was 45%, than at least this is a feat of Izuku harming Shigaraki. Since that is a noticeable bruise from that kick.

Most likely 100% as Deku says right after “Looks like he’s adapting to my 100% attacks”

 

[Kingofwolves999]

@Kingofwolves999; that's a good analysis.

Is there anything later in the fight that suggests his legs are as wrecked as his arms are after those 2 100% punches?

No actually

 

[TheRustyOne]

So can we use Izuku harming Shigaraki as justification for his 45%?

Though I am a little on the fence, since the two 100% wrecked his arm. He was bringing up how his left arm was wrecked, so he used that to hold onto Shigaraki while he pounded him with his right arm and legs. We know he uses kicks later in the fight (St. Louise Smash), so his legs being damaged is pointless.

But I'm find with having this too, since that gives Izuku a better thing for scaling.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I’ve often thought that kick was 100%.

The wording, however, is strange, and seems to lean either way. He claims “he’s adapting to my 100% attacks and taking hits! But… his wounds are healing slower, the damage is sticking!” Immediately after kicking him. This implies that the kick he just did was 100%, and through the damage it did, he can see Shigaraki is weaker.

However, he then only references the two punches he did against Shigaraki. “The last two 100% attacks wrecked my left arm!” This implies his kick WASN’T 100%, because he would have counted it as a third attack.

I suppose, if you want to assume this kick right before he declares “I will now be going all out” was 45%, you could interpret the statement of “he’s adapting to 100% attacks” to mean that his 45% was not going to be enough.

In that case, the sequence of events would be:

1) Deku kicks Shiggy at 45%

2) Deku sees that Shigaraki took the hit, and realizes that Shigaraki has adapted to the previous two 100% punches, meaning 45% is not enough

3) Deku then realizes the damage from his 45% kick is sticking and not being instantly healed. The damage from his 45% kick is still there in the form of that bruise on Shiggy’s stomach.

4) He decides to use 100% attacks for the rest of the time to defeat Shigaraki, even though his first two attacks at 100%, the punches, broke his arm.

This would be the interpretation of events if that kick is 45%.

Wait why would he count the 100% kick among the previous two attacks? His leg wasn’t wrecked.

 

[Damage3245]

So can we use Izuku harming Shigaraki as justification for his 45%?

Though I am a little on the fence, since the two 100% wrecked his arm. He was bringing up how his left arm was wrecked, so he used that to hold onto Shigaraki while he pounded him with his right arm and legs. We know he uses kicks later in the fight (St. Louise Smash), so his legs being damaged is pointless.

But I'm find with having this too, since that gives Izuku a better thing for scaling.

If Shigaraki is able to withstand his 100% blows to a relatively large degree, I wouldn't really scale 45% Izuku to Shigaraki.

 

[SuperStar]

Wait why would he count the 100% kick among the previous two attacks? His leg wasn’t wrecked.

This must mean that his Legs are more durable than his arms.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Wait why would he count the 100% kick among the previous two attacks? His leg wasn’t wrecked.

Because his phrasing of “the last two” implies the most recent of his attacks.

That could just be improper English however. As I say, I often lean into the camp of that attack being 100%, but I see the possibility of it being 45%.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Because his phrasing of “the last two” implies the most recent of his attacks.

That could just be improper English however. As I say, I often lean into the camp of that attack being 100%, but I see the possibility of it being 45%.

Ah ok I get it.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

This must mean that his Legs are more durable than his arms.

It took two hundred percent attacks to take wreck his left though.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Whether that kick is 100% or not is a matter of wording and visual queues really.

Wording and other instances do imply that kick is 100%. It makes sense, however, for it to be either.

This initial kick he does on Shigaraki is FAR weaker than all the other blows he does upon him later. In fact, Shigaraki even keeps his guard up after the kick. This is something he is absolutely incapable of doing when Deku starts the actual beatdown. Even the damage done to his stomach is just a bruise, a far cry from the attacks that literally send Shigaraki spinning midair helplessly.

It’s also telling that there is FAR less air pressure present from this kick than from other attacks later on.

So this is either because the kick is 45% or the “I’m going all out” budget for art didn’t kick in yet.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also I’m just now realizing that this kick to Shigaraki’s stomach is supposed to parallel when Shigaraki elbowed him in the stomach before, good lord the attention to detail with these two-

 

[TheRustyOne]

I mean, Shigaraki is keeping his guard up right here despite taking multiple 100% blows. He isn't shown to be blown away by these in the next panel either.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I mean, Shigaraki is keeping his guard up right here despite taking multiple 100% blows. He isn't shown to be blown away by these in the next panel either.

I noticed, so that portion of my breakdown isn’t correct. His arms stay up like that for basically the entire time he’s in the air.

I guess that’s his “big ouchie punch kid is hitting me” stance to “adapt to 100% hits.”

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

I mean, Shigaraki is keeping his guard up right here despite taking multiple 100% blows. He isn't shown to be blown away by these in the next panel either.

Should Shiggy get MHS reactions then? Assuming that he is reacting to Deku’s 100% barrage.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Regarding the calc, another calc group member will have take a look at them if they both keep their stance. A tie breaker, maybe Dragon or Mitch.

In my opinion, like Therefir said the laser size is likely off from the perspective, and the laser varies in size between shots. While his calc uses the average water depth around the 50 km area of Japan's coast. Which actually seems pretty accurate to me, since 630 meters isn't that far off from 1000 m and the laser is changing size between shots.

We also don't know if the laser actually reached the bottom of the ocean in the shot you measured too. It could've went more down, and the position of her giant's hand on the laser seems to change as well.

I personally think Therefir version is fine as well.