My Hero Academia: America Brings Upgrades/Revisions

[Nierre]

Agree. Unfortunate Bakugo doesn't have any feats or statements to bring him up but it is what it is.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Bones don't melt, they turn to ash.

ah, was there ash with the punch? if not, it could support endeavor only using striking strength

 

[TheRustyOne]

ah, was there ash with the punch? if not, it could support endeavor only using striking strength

No, I'm just stating a fact. Bones do not melt, they only turn to ash when heated up enough.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

No, I'm just stating a fact. Bones do not melt, they only turn to ash when heated up enough.

(I meant with the punch showed in panel, but thank you for clarifying that no melting could occur)

 

[Therefir]

I don't think it would hurt to have that feat in Endeavor's profile, even if the heat somehow weakened the High-End's bones.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Tried that, the bones could've been taken out by his heat along with his punch. High heat helped weakened the bones I guess.

It was even removed from his profile when I put it there.

That would not work. The flames were projecting from the vents in his gauntlet to propel his punch. It's not like he used jet burn.

 

[TheRustyOne]

That would not work. The flames were projecting from the vents in his gauntlet to propel his punch. It's not like he used jet burn.

He's burning the High-End, you can see the flames touching it's head. There's even fire coming up from underneath the ground, he punched and burned it.

I have zero idea if heating bones would even make them more fragile or not.

 

[TheRustyOne]

It's good justification for Endeavor's scaling. So yes I'd like it on the profile, since something could happen and I can use it as proof that Endeavor shouldn't be that much weaker than the High-Ends. Even if he is inferior.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

It's good justification for Endeavor's scaling. So yes I'd like it on the profile, since something could happen and I can use it as proof that Endeavor shouldn't be that much weaker than the High-Ends. Even if he is inferior.

according to an article published by the University of Jabalpur, it does make the bone more stiff and brittle, though reading through it I don't have a definitive percentage or number

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

according to an article published by the University of Jabalpur, it does make the bone more stiff and brittle, though reading through it I don't have a definitive percentage or number

How long were the bones under heat? Heat has to have contact time to fully transfer between mediums.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Yeah, that's probably because of the nature of his quirk, if we used heat energy as full force on the explosion, we'd get inflated results (unless it'd only scale to his durability for taking the full force of the explosion of his arm), but if we don't it's odd as he beat's Shouto using HHHC (even if not at full strength, his base Half-Fot strength is town level and if he went all out, his strength was small city) and multiple large scale ice attacks, yet his greatest feats are large building for most of the series and city block for PLW Arc

That’s honestly what I don’t get. Howitzer Impact oneshotted Todoroki and his gigantic ice wall. Was that never taken into account?

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

That’s honestly what I don’t get. Howitzer Impact oneshotted Todoroki and his gigantic ice wall. Was that never taken into account?

That's a weaker Todoroki that got knocked out due to the impact. It has no bearing on the current rating of his flames and heat resistance.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

That’s honestly what I don’t get. Howitzer Impact oneshotted Todoroki and his gigantic ice wall. Was that never taken into account?

because todoroki (U.A beginnings Saga) only has his town level durability against heat based attacks, so it could go into AP, but from what I've seen not Striking Strength, though he could gain durability for his U.A beginnings Saga as it was calc'd at 8-B for just the explosion if memory serves me correct (and his arms have to take the full force)

 

[TheRustyOne]

That’s honestly what I don’t get. Howitzer Impact oneshotted Todoroki and his gigantic ice wall. Was that never taken into account?

That doesn't mean anything, shatter his ice doesn't mean he scales to Tier 7 or something. Shoto's rating comes from temperature and should honestly be removed.

But I'm not going into that anymore.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

That doesn't mean anything, shatter his ice doesn't mean he scales to Tier 7 or something. Shoto's rating comes from temperature and should honestly be removed.

But I'm not going into that anymore.

I believe it only went into his AP but not striking strength (so it doesn't counter for punching & stuff just fire attacks, and the note was made for his psychical strength being lower in AP)

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

That doesn't mean anything, shatter his ice doesn't mean he scales to Tier 7 or something. Shoto's rating comes from temperature and should honestly be removed.

But I'm not going into that anymore.

That doesn't mean anything, shatter his ice doesn't mean he scales to Tier 7 or something. Shoto's rating comes from temperature and should honestly be removed.

But I'm not going into that anymore.

Heaven Piercing Ice Wall was calced at Low 7-B, right? Was that the attack that he used against Bakugou or did he just use an unnamed ice wall.

because if it was HPIW, Bakugou destroyed something that took Low 7-B energy to create. Logically he should scale to it

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Heaven Piercing Ice Wall was calced at Low 7-B, right? Was that the attack that he used against Bakugou or did he just use an unnamed ice wall.

because if it was HPIW, Bakugou destroyed something that took Low 7-B energy to create. Logically he should scale to it

Unnamed ice attack

 

[TheRustyOne]

No that isn't how ice feats work, that is the energy he used to freeze the air.

It isn't AP and shouldn't even be listed as AP. Shoto cannot use Low 7-B AP to hurt a Low 7-B character, but freezing ignores durability.

Temperature doesn't equal durability.

Let's drop this right now, this is a derailing the purpose of this thread and should not be brought up here.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

No that isn't how ice feats work, that is the energy he used to freeze the air.

It isn't AP and shouldn't even be listed as AP. Shoto cannot use Low 7-B AP to hurt a Low 7-B character, but freezing ignores durability.

Temperature doesn't equal durability.

Let's drop this right now, this is a derailing the purpose of this thread and should not be brought up here.

Ok, should a separate thread to be made at a different time for this purpose?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Ok, should a separate thread to be made at a different time for this purpose?

Why? Isn't Rusty's brief explanation enough?

 

[Therefir]

Ok, should a separate thread to be made at a different time for this purpose?

A thread for ice feats was already made, what we have in the profiles is what was agreed at the time.

Ice feats are useless for scaling but are still listed on the profiles if they have calcs.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

No that isn't how ice feats work, that is the energy he used to freeze the air.

It isn't AP and shouldn't even be listed as AP. Shoto cannot use Low 7-B AP to hurt a Low 7-B character, but freezing ignores durability.

Temperature doesn't equal durability.

Let's drop this right now, this is a derailing the purpose of this thread and should not be brought up here.

When should the profiles be updated? I thought we already reached an agreement on the calcs (via Therefir and Damage)

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Why? Isn't Rusty's brief explanation enough?

More of for the purpose of durability as Bakugou takes the force of his own explosions back onto his arms (just wanna see where that goes)

 

[TheRustyOne]

When should the profiles be updated? I thought we already reached an agreement on the calcs (via Therefir and Damage)

Damage needs to come back, we don't have his opinion yet.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

A thread for ice feats was already made, what we have in the profiles is what was agreed at the time.

Ice feats are useless for scaling but are still listed on the profiles if they have calcs.

That's interesting

 

[TheRustyOne]

More of for the purpose of durability as Bakugou takes the force of his own explosions back onto his arms (just wanna see where that goes)

He's High 8-C for that reason, his explosions are High 8-C.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

He's High 8-C for that reason, his explosions are High 8-C.

Ah (I wanted to know if Howitzer would effect that, as I thought he'd likely be taking some damage from it, but thank you)

 

[TheRustyOne]

A thread for ice feats was already made, what we have in the profiles is what was agreed at the time.

Ice feats are useless for scaling but are still listed on the profiles if they have calcs.

Yes because they do take up energy, just that without a universal energy source, the feats are a little pointless for Shoto until Flashfire/Flashfreeze. There is this thread, here.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Yes because they do take up energy, just that without a universal energy source, the feats are a little pointless for Shoto until Flashfire/Flashfreeze. There is this thread, here.

thanks for posting the thread

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

going back to this, I agree with the whole thing (if I didn't say it earlier)

Edit: Tried to agree with the scaling, didn't copy here

 

[Spinoirr]

Anyways can we get back on track and maybe bring in a another calc member here who knows mha

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Anyways can we get back on track and maybe bring in a another calc member here who knows mha

Yeah, that should take prescient here

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

@Therefir is there anything that can be discussed, or are we waiting for mods?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

@Therefir is there anything that can be discussed, or are we waiting for mods?

Just discuss it over the General Discussion Thread, this thread should now be just for the Tiamut Calc and Heroes Rising Calc, and the Scaling that goes with it.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Just discuss it over the General Discussion Thread, this thread should now be just for the Tiamut Calc and Heroes Rising Calc, and the Scaling that goes with it.

Ah Ok, thank you

 

[Therefir]

@Therefir is there anything that can be discussed, or are we waiting for mods?

I asked DragonGamer for assistance.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I asked DragonGamer for assistance.

ok

 

[Gitagon]

Yep, you can clearly see that Tomura took damage from the lasers and only reflected them after being hit, and Star and Stripe was already being hit with the laser before she began activating a new rule to be able to catch the laser, so neither of them were fast enough to react anyway, assuming that the lasers are even being regarded as the speed of light.

Like I still don't understand how Star's feat is not considered fast. She didn't react to it prior and got hit first but then caught it before the tail of the laser got past her. Heck not even the mid-section got to her, just the tip of the laser touched her.

I think this is even faster than just reacting before the laser touches her since here she reacts after it hits her body but before it can get past here body.

Like the entire laser is still in motion when she catches it.

It has not dissipated yet if it can't get past her defence and if it can, it has not even pierced through her yet.

+ The fact that Star catches it might show it could have caused some damage if she just tanked it. So she catches it before it can even damage her.

 

[Gitagon]

Jus reread the chp and it’s still a reaction am I wrong? Stars n stripes literally tells everyone to not get so cocky and then proceeds to get hit with said laser and says the laser is holdable. It can go either way also you bringing up the quirk reflect makes zero sense when we literally see mirrors for his quirk. Those mirrors reflect off lasers making the beams lightspeed. Then we have aoyama who has a costume literally made for his quirk to have multiple mirrors around it which has his lasers reflect off of them to shoot them in various places.

People just don't want Lightspeed MHA. Lasers in MHA have always been Lightspeed. Aoyama, Flect Turn, and now these jets all use lasers. These lasers are reflected by mirrors or quirks that can manipulate light all time. Like we know Aoyama's suit has fibre-optic type tech to reflect his lasers so why would they not be Lightspeed. Flect just outright has mirrors. Shigaraki uses reflect and refract to redirect the lasers, etc

Like MHA had one of the most consistent treatment of lasers in fiction.

 

[Gitagon]

I’ve often thought that kick was 100%.

The wording, however, is strange, and seems to lean either way. He claims “he’s adapting to my 100% attacks and taking hits! But… his wounds are healing slower, the damage is sticking!” Immediately after kicking him. This implies that the kick he just did was 100%, and through the damage it did, he can see Shigaraki is weaker.

However, he then only references the two punches he did against Shigaraki. “The last two 100% attacks wrecked my left arm!” This implies his kick WASN’T 100%, because he would have counted it as a third attack.

I suppose, if you want to assume this kick right before he declares “I will now be going all out” was 45%, you could interpret the statement of “he’s adapting to 100% attacks” to mean that his 45% was not going to be enough.

In that case, the sequence of events would be:

1) Deku kicks Shiggy at 45%

2) Deku sees that Shigaraki took the hit, and realizes that Shigaraki has adapted to the previous two 100% punches, meaning 45% is not enough

3) Deku then realizes the damage from his 45% kick is sticking and not being instantly healed. The damage from his 45% kick is still there in the form of that bruise on Shiggy’s stomach.

4) He decides to use 100% attacks for the rest of the time to defeat Shigaraki, even though his first two attacks at 100%, the punches, broke his arm.

This would be the interpretation of events if that kick is 45%.

I mean it's obvious Deku never uses 100% with his legs in that fight or any fight for that matter after he got Full Cowl apart from the Eri fight, for mobility purposes. But that is obviously something that gets ignored here. People apparently think Deku's leg wouldn't break with 100% or something.