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My Hero Academia: America Brings Upgrades/Revisions

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Theendzero13 said:
20% air attack= barely damages base gentle
8% deku = love enhanced gentle
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What does this mean? I literally cannot follow what you're trying to say.

You all realize a 20% finger flick, doesn't equal 20% Full Cowl, which is 8-A or over dozens of times stronger than 8%?
 
TheRustyOne said:
20% finger flick, doing less damage than a direct hit from 8%... I don't see how this equals 2.5X multiplier for air pressure.
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20% and 8% did around the same damage before the Lover's Boost, Lover's multiplier isn't specified so we don't really know anything better. if 20% did less, than it should be more than a 2.5 multiplier.
TheRustyOne said:
What does this mean? I literally cannot follow what you're trying to say.

You all realize a 20% finger flick, doesn't equal 20% Full Cowl which is 8-A or over dozens of times stronger than 8%?
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Yeah, thats why we're comparing it to 8%, as the two are closer to each other than 20% air force is to 20% full cowling
 
TheRustyOne said:
20% finger flick, doing less damage than a direct hit from 8%... I don't see how this equals 2.5X multiplier for air pressure.
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I think what they're getting at is that would make the Heroes Rising Feat 2.5× weaker than if they physically hit something instead of with Air Pressure.
 
Been out of this for a while why is air pressure the topic of conversation?
 
Dalesean027 said:
Been out of this for a while why is air pressure the topic of conversation?
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it got brought back up, 20% Air Force which is just air pressure, is around the same level as 8% Full Cowling, so an attack we've seen that is just air pressure could get a 2.5x multiplier if done by Deku or All Might
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I think what they're getting at is that would make the Heroes Rising Feat 2.5× weaker than if they physically hit something instead of with Air Pressure.
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But how, I literally don't see the logic here.

Why is a direct hit 2.5X stronger than the air pressure?
 
This is assuming that a direct 20% finger flick, is 2.5X stronger than the air pressure/air force it produces right?

I don't see how your arriving to that conclusion, when Izuku never hits anyone with a direct finger flick at 20%. We don't know how strong a 20% finger flick would be if it directly landed on someone instead of air pressure. It might just be equal to 8%, or it could still be somewhat weaker than 8%.
 
TheRustyOne said:
But how, I literally don't see the logic here.

Why is a direct hit 2.5X stronger than the air pressure?
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20% is at least 2,5× stronger than 8% , and despite this, 2,5× difference a finger flick from 20% did less damage than a punch from 8% which means that the difference from a finger flick to a punch is at least 2,5×
 
TheRustyOne said:
This is assuming that a direct 20% finger flick, is 2.5X stronger than the air pressure/air force it produces right?

I don't see how your arriving to that conclusion, when Izuku never hits anyone with a direct finger flick at 20%. We don't know how strong a 20% finger flick would be if it directly landed on someone instead of air pressure. It might just be equal to 8%, or it could still be somewhat weaker than 8%.
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No not a finger flick, 8% Deku, when PUNCHING Gentle, did similar if not more damage than 20% Air Force did. This means that Air Force attacks which is just air pressure (meaning that any other air pressure attacks scale to this conversion) should be around 2.5x, while we haven't seen a 20% Flick, Delaware smash (which air force seems to be based on given he calls it out) is a limited attack which using flicking, it's not meant for close range use
 
Acer__ said:
No not a finger flick, 8% Deku, when PUNCHING Gentle, did similar if not more damage than 20% Air Force did. This means that Air Force attacks which is just air pressure (meaning that any other air pressure attacks scale to this conversion) should be around 2.5x, while we have seen a 20% Flick, Delaware smash (which air force seems to be based on given he calls it out) is a limited attack which using flicking, it's not meant for close range use
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There is still no logic here, nothing says the air pressure of a 20% finger flick is 2.5X weaker than it's physicals hits. Do you guys even understand what you're trying to say? 8% is not 2.5X weaker than 20% or anything like that either, I'm so lost right now.
 
Therefir said:
20% is 15 times stronger than 8% according to our calcs, and I don't think it's a good idea to use such a strange multiplier to get higher results.
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Yeah, honestly same. I can see where they're coming from though since 20%'s Air Force is weaker than 8% though but it is a really hard argument to sell.
 
Therefir said:
20% is 15 times stronger than 8% according to our calcs, and I don't think it's a good idea to use such a strange multiplier to get higher results.
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This isn't for Full Cowling, 2.5 would lower the results of 20%, this is simply just trying to see if we have enough information to gauge the difference between air pressure based attacks and direct hits, which are only example of this is in the Gentle Criminal fight with 8% full Cowling and 20% air force being similar in terms of damage, IT has backing behind it, though yes it is a hard argument to sell
 
We only use the linear % multiplier when there is nothing better to use.

And 20% finger blasts are weaker than his 8% attacks, Deku defeated Gentle with a St. Louis smash, remember? The finger blast merely stunned him.
 
Therefir said:
We only use the linear % multiplier when there is nothing better to use.

And 20% finger blasts are weaker than his 8% punches, Deku defeated Gentle with a St. Louis smash, remember?, the finger blast merely stunned him.
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ah, so we only have it before the Lover's Boost, alright than I don't have any further questions or arguments
 
Spinoirr said:
Can I ask what the new scaleing is with these 7-A calcs?
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I believe that Star and Stripes Tiamat missile is totalling at 6.4 gigatons and 640 megatons for individual missiles and the double detroit smash is now >700 Megatons
 
Spinoirr said:
Can I ask what the new scaleing is with these 7-A calcs?
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If Therefir's new method for the missile calc is accepted, I assume this would be alright. Note: These are not the actual descriptions we'll put on the profiles, I'm just explaining what is what and why. Does this seem okay?

Shigaraki: '''Mountain level+''' 640 Megatons (Is equal to a Near High-End Nomu, who barely survived the explosion of 10 Tiamat Missiles. Which means he should be able to withstand the explosion of a single missile. Is stated to be as strong as weakened All Might. Was able to take countless 100% Smashes, from Deku, who is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising. Albeit he took heavy injures even with regeneration. Heroes Rising Deku performed a 740 Megaton feat, with the air pressure from his punch)

USJ All Might: '''Mountain level+''' (Is stated to be just as durable as Shigaraki, who can withstand the explosion of a single Tiamat missile. Is equal to the USJ Nomu in strength, who is strong enough to harm him), '''higher''' with Plus Ultra

USJ Nomu: '''Mountain level+''' (Can injure weakened All Might, who is just as durable as Shigaraki), '''higher''' with Shock Absorption (Withstood over three hundred hits from Plus Ultra All Might)

High-End/Hood: '''Mountain level+''' (The doctor states that their stats are beyond the Upper-Tier Nomu, which should at least make the comparable to the USJ Nomu)

Gigantomachia: '''Mountain level+''' (Pulverized part of a mountain over a short period of time. Destroyed 20 cities on his way to Shigaraki. Doctor Garaki, despite unleashing dozens of Near High-End Nomu, believed that Machia's arrive would bring total destruction. Was able to take a fire enhanced attack from Endeavor, despite being weakened with a sedative)

Endeavor: '''Mountain level+''' 550 Megatons, Baseline 7-A+ (Is able to take a direct punch from Shigaraki, though his head was bleeding from the hit. Is able to take being tossed through buildings by Hood. Is able to clash with Shigaraki's Air Cannon, which is strong enough to harm him)

Two Heroes/Kamino All Might: '''Mountain level+''' higher than 550 Megatons, less than 640 Megatons. (Is slightly weaker than before, but is still stronger than Endeavor), '''higher''' with Plus Ultra

Mirko: '''Mountain level+''' > 640 Megatons with Rabbit (Her kicks are strong enough to tear off body parts of multiple High-Ends), Base Dura '''Mountain level''' 100 Megatons, Baseline 7-A (Able to survive being thrown by a Hospital High-End], who is comparable in strength to [[Hood]], though its attack heavily damaged her] even when she soften the impact with her legs. Implied that she wouldn't have been able to keep moving if it weren't for that), '''higher''' with Rabbit (Her legs can withstand the recoil of her kicks)

Crust: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT with Shield (His shields can cause some damage to the High-Ends), '''higher''' 640 MT with Shield (Is able to block hits from the High-Ends)

Nejire: Possibly '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT (Might have been able to injure a Near High-End, which are stated to be as strong as Hood. AFO considered her and Todoroki's Quirks to be powerful)

Best Jeanist: '''Mountain level+''' 640 MT with Carbon Fibers (Was able to restrain and struggle against Gigantomachia for a period of time, but was overpowered eventually)

100% BoS Deku and Muscular: '''Mountain level+''' (Is equal to Two Heroes/Kamino All Might, who is superior to Endeavor. Muscular can take a direct hit from 100%, and overpower a slightly weakened 100% punch)

45% Deku: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT (Took a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki to the stomach, though it made him cough up blood. Is able to injure those that can harm him)

Lady Nagant: '''Mountain level+''' with Rifle (Is able to break through Deku's Mid-Gauntlet with her bullets, which can withstand his 45% without breaking. Is able to hurt 45% Deku with a jab from her rifle)

Dabi: '''Mountain level+''' higher than 550 MT with Flashfire (His flames are stated to be superior to Endeavor's, and was able to overpower Shoto's Flashfire)

Shoto: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT with Flashfire/Flashfreeze (Is capable of using Flashfire on the same level as Endeavor, and was able to injure a weakened AFO Shigaraki alongside Nejire)

Prime All Might/Current 100% Deku: At least '''Mountain level+''' 740 Megatons Was able to do this during the events of Heroes Rising, with the air pressure from his punch), '''higher''' with Fa Jin
 
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TheRustyOne said:
If Therefir's new method for the missile calc is accepted, I assume this would be alright. Note: These are not the actual descriptions we'll put on the profiles, I'm just explaining what is what and why. Does this seem okay?

Shigaraki: '''Mountain level+''' 640 Megatons (Is equal to a Near High-End Nomu, who barely survived the explosion of 10 Tiamat Missiles. Which means he should be able to withstand the explosion of a single missile. Is stated to be as strong as weakened All Might. Was able to take countless 100% Smashes, from Deku, who is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising. Albeit he took heavy injures even with regeneration. Heroes Rising Deku performed a 740 Megaton feat, with the air pressure from his punch)

USJ All Might: '''Mountain level+''' (Is stated to be just as durable as Shigaraki, who can withstand the explosion of a single Tiamat missile. Is equal to the USJ Nomu in strength, who is strong enough to harm him), '''higher''' with Plus Ultra

USJ Nomu: '''Mountain level+''' (Can injure weakened All Might, who is just as durable as Shigaraki), '''higher''' with Shock Absorption (Withstood over three hundred hits from Plus Ultra All Might)

High-End/Hood: '''Mountain level+''' (The doctor states that their stats are beyond the Upper-Tier Nomu, which should at least make the comparable to the USJ Nomu)

Gigantomachia: '''Mountain level+''' (Pulverized part of a mountain over a short period of time. Destroyed 20 cities on his way to Shigaraki. Doctor Garaki, despite unleashing dozens of Near High-End Nomu, believed that Machia's arrive would bring total destruction. Was able to take a fire enhanced attack from Endeavor, despite being weakened with a sedative)

Endeavor: '''Mountain level+''' 550 Megatons, Baseline 7-A+ (Is able to take a direct punch from Shigaraki, though his head bleed from the hit. Is able to take being tossed through buildings by Hood. Is able to clash with Shigaraki's Air Cannon, which is strong enough to harm him)

Two Heroes/Kamino All Might: '''Mountain level+''' higher than 550 Megatons, less than 640 Megatons. (Is slightly weaker than before, but is still stronger than Endeavor), '''higher''' with Plus Ultra

Mirko: '''Mountain level+''' > 640 Megatons with Rabbit (Her kicks are strong enough to tear off body parts of multiple High-Ends), Base Dura At most '''Mountain level''' 100 Megatons, Baseline 7-A (Able to survive being thrown by a Hospital High-End], who is comparable in strength to [[Hood]], though its attack heavily damaged her] even when she soften the impact with her legs. Implied that she wouldn't have been able to keep moving if it weren't for that), '''higher''' with Rabbit (Her legs can withstand the recoil of her kicks)

Crust: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT with Shield (His shields can cause some damage to the High-Ends), '''higher''' 640 MT with Shield (Is able to block hits from the High-Ends)

Nejire: Possibly '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT (Might have been able to injure a Near High-End, which are stated to be as strong as Hood. AFO considered her and Todoroki's Quirks to be powerful)

Best Jeanist: '''Mountain level+''' 640 MT with Carbon Fibers (Was able to restrain and struggle against Gigantomachia for a period of time, but was overpowered eventually)

100% BoS Deku and Muscular: '''Mountain level+''' (Is equal to Two Heroes/Kamino All Might, who is superior to Endeavor. Muscular can take a direct hit from 100%, and overpower a slightly weakened 100% punch)

45% Deku: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT (Took a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki to the stomach, though it made him cough up blood. Is able to injure those that can harm him)

Lady Nagant: '''Mountain level+''' with Rifle (Is able to break through Deku's Mid-Gauntlet with her bullets, which can withstand his 45% without breaking. Is able to hurt 45% Deku with a jab from her rifle)

Dabi: '''Mountain level+''' higher than 550 MT with Flashfire (His flames are stated to be superior to Endeavor's, and was able to overpower Shoto's Flashfire)

Shoto: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT with Flashfire/Flashfreeze (Is capable of using Flashfire on the same level as Endeavor, and was able to injure a weakened AFO Shigaraki alongside Nejire)

Prime All Might/Current 100% Deku: At least '''Mountain level+''' 740 Megatons Was able to do this during the events of Heroes Rising, with the air pressure from his punch), '''higher''' with Fa Jin
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I'd agree with this (Though do we have a definitive answer for Fajin aside from 45%+Fa-Jin=100%)
 
TheRustyOne said:
This is assuming that a direct 20% finger flick, is 2.5X stronger than the air pressure/air force it produces right?

I don't see how your arriving to that conclusion, when Izuku never hits anyone with a direct finger flick at 20%. We don't know how strong a 20% finger flick would be if it directly landed on someone instead of air pressure. It might just be equal to 8%, or it could still be somewhat weaker than 8%.
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I will go in detail: 20% deku does a finger flick this finger flick liberates air preasure and this air preasure liberated barely damaged base gentle
Later on a punch from 8% izuku could do more damage to enhanced gentle than the air pressure from 20% did to base gentle
That makes a punch from 8% stronger than air pressur from 20% mailking it a difference of at least a 2,5 difference

The reason for why deku porcentages can be used that way is because in-universe they are supposedly to be linear , the reason we do not use it that way is because the feats betwenn the porcentages varie greatly making downscaling impossible,

Homever on this case on specificbthe larger the difference betwenn 20 to 8 , the larger the difference betwenn a punch and air pressure will be, therefore making an 2,5 multiplier an lowvall
 
Theendzero13 said:
I will go in detail: 20% deku does a finger flick this finger flick liberates air pressure and this air pressure liberated barely damaged base gentle
Later on a punch from 8% izuku could do more damage to enhanced gentle than the air pressure from 20% did to base gentle
That makes a punch from 8% stronger than air pressure from 20% making it a difference of at least a 2,5 difference

The reason for why deku percentages can be used that way is because in-universe they are supposedly to be linear , the reason we do not use it that way is because the feats between the percentages varies greatly making downscaling impossible,

However on this case on specific the larger the difference between 20 to 8 , the larger the difference between a punch and air pressure will be therefore making an 2,5 multiplier an lowball
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Yeah this is what I was saying mostly about how the only direct comparison is 20% from Air Force and 8% from Full Cowling, though I don't mind if it's rejected or not, I can see what Rusty and Therefir are saying
 
Theendzero13 said:
I will go in detail: 20% deku does a finger flick this finger flick liberates air preasure and this air preasure liberated barely damaged base gentle
Later on a punch from 8% izuku could do more damage to enhanced gentle than the air pressure from 20% did to base gentle
That makes a punch from 8% stronger than air pressur from 20% mailking it a difference of at least a 2,5 difference

The reason for why deku porcentages can be used that way is because in-universe they are supposedly to be linear , the reason we do not use it that way is because the feats betwenn the porcentages varie greatly making downscaling impossible,

Homever on this case on specificbthe larger the difference betwenn 20 to 8 , the larger the difference betwenn a punch and air pressure will be, therefore making an 2,5 multiplier an lowvall
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Literally no. That's not how it works.
 
Theendzero13 said:
I will go in detail: 20% deku does a finger flick this finger flick liberates air preasure and this air preasure liberated barely damaged base gentle
Later on a punch from 8% izuku could do more damage to enhanced gentle than the air pressure from 20% did to base gentle
That makes a punch from 8% stronger than air pressur from 20% mailking it a difference of at least a 2,5 difference

The reason for why deku porcentages can be used that way is because in-universe they are supposedly to be linear , the reason we do not use it that way is because the feats betwenn the porcentages varie greatly making downscaling impossible,

Homever on this case on specificbthe larger the difference betwenn 20 to 8 , the larger the difference betwenn a punch and air pressure will be therefore making an 2,5 multiplier an lowvall
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That literally makes no sense whatsoever. You just brought 2.5X out of nowhere, I don't see how 8% being stronger than 20% air pressure equals a 2.5X difference.

Even with linear scaling, this makes zero sense. 20% finger flick is not, even with linear scaling, 2.5X stronger than a 8% kick/punch. It is a 20% finger flick, your finger flick is a lot weaker than your own punch. If the air pressure came from a 20% kick, than yes that'd make some sense if the percentages were linear.

But this is a finger flick.
 
TheRustyOne said:
That literally makes no sense whatsoever. You just brought 2.5X out of nowhere, I don't see how 8% being stronger than 20% air pressure equals a 2.5X difference.

Even with linear scaling, this makes zero sense. 20% finger flick is NOT, even with linear scaling, 2.5X stronger than a 8% kick/punch. It is a 20% finger flick, your finger flick is a lot weaker than your own punch.
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I only got the 2.5x difference from the dividing percentages, so it should be higher I just don't think we have anything else, so it's the best I got
 
Yeah from what I'm seeing I don't understand the 2.5x it seems a little contrived to me I agree with Rusty as well
 
Acer__ said:
I'd agree with this (Though do we have a definitive answer for Fajin aside from 45%+Fa-Jin=100%)
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To be honest, since he's storing up his own movements I don't see why it should be less than a 2X multiplier. But we shouldn't assume that until it is confirmed in the series, but I believe that 200% is going to be a thing. 100% + Fa Jin = madness
 
TheRustyOne said:
To be honest, since he's storing up his own movements I don't see why it should be less than a 2X multiplier. But we shouldn't assume that until it is confirmed in the series, but I believe that 200% is going to be a thing. 100% + Fa Jin = madness
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We could place it as Fajin having no defined limit? Given he stores his energy
 
Acer__ said:
We could place it as Fajin having no defined limit?
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No? That is a NLF, or a No Limit Fallacy. I highly doubt Fa Jin can store power up forever either way.

Just that it can make him stronger, but not enough to jump a tier unless we get a multiplier or something.
 
Therefir said:
Well, since 45% Deku is baseline 7-A+, 100% being on the same tier would be a problem.

Baseline High 7-A for current 100% Deku? Not sure if it even scales to Prime All Might.
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I'd say 100% should atleast be baseline High 7-A but perhaps being baseline 6-C as he might scale to the Full Tiamat Missiles. Prime All Might could scale somewhere around that
 
TheRustyOne said:
If Therefir's new method for the missile calc is accepted, I assume this would be alright. Note: These are not the actual descriptions we'll put on the profiles, I'm just explaining what is what and why. Does this seem okay?

Shigaraki: '''Mountain level+''' 640 Megatons (Is equal to a Near High-End Nomu, who barely survived the explosion of 10 Tiamat Missiles. Which means he should be able to withstand the explosion of a single missile. Is stated to be as strong as weakened All Might. Was able to take countless 100% Smashes, from Deku, who is stronger than he was in Heroes Rising. Albeit he took heavy injures even with regeneration. Heroes Rising Deku performed a 740 Megaton feat, with the air pressure from his punch)

USJ All Might: '''Mountain level+''' (Is stated to be just as durable as Shigaraki, who can withstand the explosion of a single Tiamat missile. Is equal to the USJ Nomu in strength, who is strong enough to harm him), '''higher''' with Plus Ultra

USJ Nomu: '''Mountain level+''' (Can injure weakened All Might, who is just as durable as Shigaraki), '''higher''' with Shock Absorption (Withstood over three hundred hits from Plus Ultra All Might)

High-End/Hood: '''Mountain level+''' (The doctor states that their stats are beyond the Upper-Tier Nomu, which should at least make the comparable to the USJ Nomu)

Gigantomachia: '''Mountain level+''' (Pulverized part of a mountain over a short period of time. Destroyed 20 cities on his way to Shigaraki. Doctor Garaki, despite unleashing dozens of Near High-End Nomu, believed that Machia's arrive would bring total destruction. Was able to take a fire enhanced attack from Endeavor, despite being weakened with a sedative)

Endeavor: '''Mountain level+''' 550 Megatons, Baseline 7-A+ (Is able to take a direct punch from Shigaraki, though his head was bleeding from the hit. Is able to take being tossed through buildings by Hood. Is able to clash with Shigaraki's Air Cannon, which is strong enough to harm him)

Two Heroes/Kamino All Might: '''Mountain level+''' higher than 550 Megatons, less than 640 Megatons. (Is slightly weaker than before, but is still stronger than Endeavor), '''higher''' with Plus Ultra

Mirko: '''Mountain level+''' > 640 Megatons with Rabbit (Her kicks are strong enough to tear off body parts of multiple High-Ends), Base Dura '''Mountain level''' 100 Megatons, Baseline 7-A (Able to survive being thrown by a Hospital High-End], who is comparable in strength to [[Hood]], though its attack heavily damaged her] even when she soften the impact with her legs. Implied that she wouldn't have been able to keep moving if it weren't for that), '''higher''' with Rabbit (Her legs can withstand the recoil of her kicks)

Crust: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT with Shield (His shields can cause some damage to the High-Ends), '''higher''' 640 MT with Shield (Is able to block hits from the High-Ends)

Nejire: Possibly '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT (Might have been able to injure a Near High-End, which are stated to be as strong as Hood. AFO considered her and Todoroki's Quirks to be powerful)

Best Jeanist: '''Mountain level+''' 640 MT with Carbon Fibers (Was able to restrain and struggle against Gigantomachia for a period of time, but was overpowered eventually)

100% BoS Deku and Muscular: '''Mountain level+''' (Is equal to Two Heroes/Kamino All Might, who is superior to Endeavor. Muscular can take a direct hit from 100%, and overpower a slightly weakened 100% punch)

45% Deku: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT (Took a direct hit from AFO Shigaraki to the stomach, though it made him cough up blood. Is able to injure those that can harm him)

Lady Nagant: '''Mountain level+''' with Rifle (Is able to break through Deku's Mid-Gauntlet with her bullets, which can withstand his 45% without breaking. Is able to hurt 45% Deku with a jab from her rifle)

Dabi: '''Mountain level+''' higher than 550 MT with Flashfire (His flames are stated to be superior to Endeavor's, and was able to overpower Shoto's Flashfire)

Shoto: '''Mountain level+''' 550 MT with Flashfire/Flashfreeze (Is capable of using Flashfire on the same level as Endeavor, and was able to injure a weakened AFO Shigaraki alongside Nejire)

Prime All Might/Current 100% Deku: At least '''Mountain level+''' 740 Megatons Was able to do this during the events of Heroes Rising, with the air pressure from his punch), '''higher''' with Fa Jin
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If Heroes Rising feat doesn’t get ruled as an outlier, All For One, All Might, and 100% Deku should get bumped up to High 7-A+ or just 6-C
 
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