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My Hero Academia: America Brings Upgrades/Revisions

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Acer__ said:
@Therefir would 306 gigatons be considered an outlier? (I'm just asking, as using 1/12 instead of one half results in High 6-C KE for the Heroes Rising Feat which given the Tiamat missiles isn't as far fetched as Low 6-B), (I got this by using the explosion radius as the Radius for a cone, the height of the attack provided as the height of the cone, resulting in 1.69×10^13 meters^3, multiplying this by 1.003 for the density, 1/12 for the omni directional dispersion, and multiplying it by 30131.5973^2 as that was the attack speed, it came out to 1.2824803e+21 joules or 306 gigatons)
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It is 50 times stronger than the power of all missiles combined, and honestly that 1.003 kg/m^3 density is dubious to say the least when the link you yourself posted says that clouds have a water content of 0.001 kg/m^3.

And even if we were to include air it would still be 0.01841 kg/m^3, where does the 1.003 density actually come from?
 
Therefir said:
It is 50 times stronger than the power of all missiles combined, and honestly that 1.003 kg/m^3 density is dubious to say the least when the link you yourself posted says that clouds have a water content of 0.001 kg/m^3.

And even if we were to include air it would still be 0.01841 kg/m^3, where does the 1.003 density actually come from?
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I used 1.003 as I couldn't find a source for anything else (though it could just be me not looking hard enough, along with 0.001 be that close I agree is Dubious) I can redo that with 0.01841
 
Therefir said:
It is 50 times stronger than the power of all missiles combined, and honestly that 1.003 kg/m^3 density is dubious to say the least when the link you yourself posted says that clouds have a water content of 0.001 kg/m^3.

And even if we were to include air it would still be 0.01841 kg/m^3, where does the 1.003 density actually come from?
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Using 0.01841 for density and 1/12 for KE it comes out to just barely over 5 gigatons and using 1/2 for KE it comes out to just under 34, which seems much more consistent, does that work @Therefir?
 
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Acer__ said:
Using 0.01841 for density and 1/12 for KE it comes out to just barely over 5 gigatons and using 1/2 for KE it comes out to just under 34, which seems much more consistent? does that work @Therefir?
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What do you get using 1 gram per cubic meter (0.001 kg/m^3)?

When a vacuum is created, the air immediately starts to fill the void left, but we don't actually see that happen in the movie.
 
Therefir said:
What do you get using 1 gram per cubic meter (0.001 kg/m^3)?

When a vacuum is created, the air immediately starts to fill the void left, but we don't actually see that happen in the movie.
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Haven't done that one give me a second
 
Therefir said:
What do you get using 1 gram per cubic meter (0.001 kg/m^3)?

When a vacuum is created, the air immediately starts to fill the void left, but we don't actually see that happen in the movie.
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305 megatons for 1/12 and 1.8 gigatons for 1/2 so 7-A and High 7-A
 
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Personally I see 5 gigatons, 18 gigatons, and 33.7 gigatons as the most accurate as this is a storm which is directly overshadowing an island (even if it is small)
 
How do you got 18 gigatons with 1/2? Doesn't really makes much sense with what you previously got, I think you mean 1.8 gigatons.

Although 1/2 is not used for this kind of calc either way, only 1/12.
 
Therefir said:
How do you got 18 gigatons with 1/2? Doesn't really makes much sense with what you previously got.

Although 1/2 is not used for this kind of calc either way, only 1/12.
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ah ok and idk I just plugged it into a calculator, also could the air not replacing itself be for dramatic effect (I'm not sure) also yeah it was 1.8 not 18
 
Acer__ said:
305 megatons for 1/12 and 18 gigatons for 1/2 so 7-A and 6-C
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305 megatons would actually be consistent with the explosion.

But I really don't want to open this can of worms and do a cloud revision, can we stick with the manga feat and the results of the explosion please?
 
Therefir said:
305 megatons would actually be consistent with the explosion.

But I really don't want to open this can of worms and do a cloud revision, can we stick with the manga feat and the results of the explosion please?
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Yes, this is the better for now
 
By the way do anyone disagree about the actual punches being 2,5× than the air preasure, going on by what steve said?
 
Yeah let's just drop the cloud discussion, and save it for the future or something.
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By the way do anyone disagree about the actual punches being 2,5× than the air preasure, going on by what steve said?
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Source for this? I'm pretty sure that isn't standard or something we do, just that a direct hit is an unknown amount stronger.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Yeah let's just drop the cloud discussion, and save it for the future or something.

Source for this? I'm pretty sure that isn't standard or something we do, just that a direct hit is an unknown amount stronger.
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I believe it was because 20% air force was compared to 8%'s direct punches
 
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IDK, I forgot that it even was a talked about discussion
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TheRustyOne said:
Yeah let's just drop the cloud discussion, and save it for the future or something.

Source for this? I'm pretty sure that isn't standard or something we do, just that a direct hit is an unknown amount stronger.
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His main argument is that gentle took comparable damage from one of 8% punches as he did from a 20% air blast
Homever i haven't read that fight in more than a year so there may be something wrong with that
 
Theendzero13 said:
His main argument is that gentle took comparable damage from one of 8% punches as he did from a 20% air blast
Homever i haven't read that fight in more than a year so there may be something wrong with that
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Ah, which chapter was Gentle in?
 
Theendzero13 said:
His main argument is that gentle took comparable damage from one of 8% punches as he did from a 20% air blast
Homever i haven't read that fight in more than a year so there may be something wrong with that
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8% Deku was staggered by his own 20% finger flick being sent back him, while Gentle in Lover Mode was hit in the leg and was staggered long enough for Izuku to knock him out. However they don't really seem to do any real damage, they might sting a little but no actual injury.

Gentle in base was the only one who really reacted in pain, and obviously he's less durable than his Lover Mode state.

@Acer__ Chapter 172, is where that is explained
 
TheRustyOne said:
8% Deku was staggered by his own 20% finger flick being sent back him, while Gentle in Lover Mode was hit in the leg and was staggered long enough for Izuku to knock him out. However they don't really seem to do any real damage, they might sting a little but no actual injury.

Gentle in base was the only one who really reacted in pain, and obviously he's less durable than his Lover Mode state.

@Acer__ Chapter 172, is where that is explained
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Thank you, I guess it might work, it's questionable at best
 
TheRustyOne said:
8% Deku was staggered by his own 20% finger flick being sent back him, while Gentle in Lover Mode was hit in the leg and was staggered long enough for Izuku to knock him out. However they don't really seem to do any real damage, they might sting a little but no actual injury.

Gentle in base was the only one who really reacted in pain, and obviously he's less durable than his Lover Mode state.

@Acer__ Chapter 172, is where that is explained
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Thanks for the correction/clarification
 
Acer__ said:
I believe it was because 20% air force was compared to 8%'s direct punches
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That would raise Bakugou and Deku’s High 7-A+ calc to 6-C, if we used the multiplier.

Also, would Nine’s 6-C storm feat count for environmental destruction or just sole AP?
 
Theendzero13 said:
Thanks for the correction/clarification
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Looking at it now the staggering is similar, and Gentle's Lovers form seemed to be able to keep up with 8% the same as with 20% air force, so the multiplier should work until we find something clearer
 
I don't get how this gives us any kind of multiplier. Can someone explain where the 2.5X is coming from?
 
TheRustyOne said:
I don't get how this gives us any kind of multiplier. Can someone explain where the 2.5X is coming from?
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20/8, though it may not be treated the same in terms of Direct hits to each other, it should work when converting Air Pressure to Direct Hits
 
20% finger flick, doing less damage than a direct hit from 8%... I don't see how this equals 2.5X multiplier for air pressure.
 
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