Moustache is in another dimension. Limbo vs Yhwach

[AnonymousBlank]

He is in SS, everything is reishi there. We have only ever seen a spiritual body of Yhwach for this key. He also spent the past 1000 years in HM which is also a place made of reishi. Before that he was fighting Yama in SS which is still reishi.

 

[Warren_Valion]

He is in SS, everything is reishi there. We have only ever seen a spiritual body of Yhwach for this key. He also spent the past 1000 years in HM which is also a place full of reishi. Before that he was fighting Yama in SS which is still reishi.

Just because everything in the Soul Society is made of Spiritual Matter or that he lived in a castle made of Spiritual matter doesn't mean he himself.

He's a Quincy, he can interact with the Spiritual. That doesn't mean he himself is a spiritual being.

Fighting Yamamoto doesn't mean that he himself is spiritual, just that he can interact with it.

So either:

A. He had his Kishi converted into Reshi

or

B. He was never invisible in the first place

 

[Warren_Valion]

Go make a CRT if you feel some way about it Warren, he's a spiritual being that existed in the soul society along with the other sternritters in the arc he's appeared in. In all his keys he's only a soul. This is very simple to understand.

I will.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Yhwach stomps via Reiatsu Crush. Even if you assumed Limbo had all mods, mods like adaptability only account for up to 95% damage reduction and would reset on each death. If you assumed the Operator was at play it still wouldn't change anything.

Limbo can see Yhwach thanks to the Operator as the Operator should be able to see Yhwach and touch him thanks to the Void's spiritual interactive properties. This doesn't change that Limbo can't kill Yhwach nor even hurt him and Reiatsu Crush passively disintegrates Limbo.

Stomp.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@Warren

This is ridiculous, physical matter literally cannot exist in soul society.

 

[Warren_Valion]

The operator obviously, if the operator gets tired he can just possess yhwach like how he did with Umbra.

Though Limbo's new and shiny info manip might be good enough too.

That sounds like outside help.

Bringing you back to life is one thing, but ending a fight is another.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yhwach stomps via Reiatsu Crush. Even if you assumed Limbo had all mods, mods like adaptability only account for up to 95% damage reduction and would reset on each death. If you assumed the Operator was at play it still wouldn't change anything.
Limbo can see Yhwach thanks to the Operator as the Operator should be able to see Yhwach and touch him thanks to the Void's spiritual interactive properties. This doesn't change that Limbo can't kill Yhwach nor even hurt him and Reiatsu Crush passively disintegrates Limbo.

Stomp.

Reiatsu passive has a range though. Getting him into the rift will totally null reiatsu crush, more over stuff like rolling guard (temporal invincibility), will also work. If push comes to shove, the operator can just mind hax or possess him.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That sounds like outside help.

Bringing you back to life is one thing, but ending a fight is another.

Limbo acting is actually outside help. Since The Operator is just doing the job. This fight works at all because the operator is bringing outside help.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Reiatsu passive has a range though. Getting him into the rift will totally null reiatsu crush, more over stuff like rolling guard (temporal invincibility), will also work. If push comes to shove, the operator can just mind hax or possess him.

Again, that's outside help.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Limbo acting is actually outside help. Since The Operator is just doing the job. This fight works at all because the operator is bringing outside help.

^^

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Reiatsu Crush range is pretty big for characters like Yhwach.

Rolling Guard works once for 3 seconds and Limbo needs to roll before Yhwach's passive affects him.... Reiatsu Crush is a passive, Limbo won't have time to roll.

The Operator would die due to Reiatsu Crush if the used Transference to attempt to control Yhwach. That's also not a standard action by them.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Controlling Limbo as a robot is one thing, but saying "**** it", and using something that isn't apart of Limbo's moveset to end a fight is a completely different thing and is definitely outside help.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

looked at some other battle threads, and some others said it's outside help as well.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Controlling Limbo as a robot is one thing, but saying "**** it", and using something that isn't apart of Limbo's moveset to end a fight is a completely different thing and is definitely outside help.

But that is how they usually fight even in verse. They are one. If you fight limbo you're usually going to have to fight void clones, the operator and more. VSBW works on "what if the 2 characters met/fought?" which is why we even stopped restricting type 8 because despite it being "outside help" in a sense, it's still something you'd have to deal with should you meet this character for real. If Yhwach met Limbo he'd have to deal with The Operator as well.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The operator being responsible for controlling Limbo definitely isn't outside help or else the Paths of Pain are as well since its just meat puppets being controlled by a cripple in a chair.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Fights aren't "What if the 2 characters met/fought?", it's "Which of these characters can defeat the other under simple guidelines", said guidelines also include the fact that we don't include outside help.

Goku doesn't get to summon Zeno to defeat his opponents.


And no, you're wrong. Type 8 immortality that is reliant on something higher dimensional or beyond was restricted for being unfair and made every match with the character a stomp - which is dumb, so we rescinded the restriction.

To restrict that, is like to restrict all smurf hax because it's higher dimensional and unfair. So that isn't done anymore.

Being reliant on yourself from a higher plane or from somebody/thing else isn't outside help - it isn't taking the fight out of the user's hands, it's keeping them in a fight.


Bring back Limbo is one thing, but ending the fight for him is another.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Goku is false equivalency. Goku doesn't randomly summon Zeno every fight. The button is not standard equipment etc. While that's not the case with Limbo and the operator.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Oh it's still here. Bump

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Bump

 

[Paul_Frank]

Switch first key yhwach for second or third key

Either way as it stands now Limbo can't see Yhwach or affect him and Yhwach can't kill the operator without knowing about them with the almighty

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Am gonna throw strongest yhwach at operator so that i can spite by saying Nekros solos

 

[Paul_Frank]

fine by me you will just be inviting the wrath of Bleach fans

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Can't be worse than the reinhard match, can it?

 

[Paul_Frank]

trust me hst fans are a whole different breed it will end up like the fiamma vs dovahkiin match