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Most Skilled Characters of Every Tier 6
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Isn't it convenient that the three most skilled verses I know are in tier 7. And they might even all be in 7-A if everything goes well
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Rakudai solos the skill list.Creaturemaster971 said:
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FTFY.Firephoenixearl said:
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There's still Bleach where 3/4 characters are over 300 years old soo
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Rakudai is one of the three, yes
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So... when is the list going to be updated?
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Bleach doesn't really have any good feats doe. Just age.SpookyShadow said:
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Thank you. You understand me so well <3 .
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I assume the other 2 you mean Fate and Katanagatari?
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Oh yeah, forgot to tell
Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai for 6-B. Dude is over 2000 years old, has mastered his Shikai and Bankai to the point that it was able to **** with Yhwach. He has fought so many people (we can see it in his Zanka no Tachi ability) that he can even rise them from the dead and make them his servants. He doesn't even need his Zanpakuto to fight, his fists are enough to kill one of the most troublesome opponents that was able to seal his Shikai flames.
Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai for 6-B. Dude is over 2000 years old, has mastered his Shikai and Bankai to the point that it was able to **** with Yhwach. He has fought so many people (we can see it in his Zanka no Tachi ability) that he can even rise them from the dead and make them his servants. He doesn't even need his Zanpakuto to fight, his fists are enough to kill one of the most troublesome opponents that was able to seal his Shikai flames.
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@First I haven't seen Knight Run yet tho
@Earl Yes. Also if Rakudai outskills the list, does it outskill itself????
@Spooky Were there any crazy skill feats in Bleach? All I can think of is Ichigo deflecting Byakuya's petals but I think that's a speed feat
@Earl Yes. Also if Rakudai outskills the list, does it outskill itself????
@Spooky Were there any crazy skill feats in Bleach? All I can think of is Ichigo deflecting Byakuya's petals but I think that's a speed feat
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I'm trying to update it when I can, but I need to know exactly what placement each character gets and there's not as much discussion happening about thatIonliosite said:
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Well, you can put Fugil Arcadia above Lux Arcadia because he can literally outskill Lux while asleep (if he could sleep). I don't know enough about Teresa to say Fugil can take her spot.
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Bleach does have some decent skill feats but they just aren't on the level of the guys on the list.
Bleach does have some decent skill feats but they just aren't on the level of the guys on the list.
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Depends what do you exactly mean as "skill". Skill grows along with experience, you can't be skilled without ANY or little experience. Then you would be just a one strong stone wall. For example Kenpachi who has been fighting for hundreds of years, possibly every single day (he's a battle freak). We can see his swordsmanship in many fights and how far he mastered it. That's my definition of "skill". Expertise in a subject. Expertise grows along with what you've already seen and you already know how to deal with it/do it. Ōetsu Nimaiya for example is a royal guard that lived probably for much longer than Yamamoto and he created THOUSANDS of Zanpakuto and he knows how to deal with them, as he's the creator himself. And, he one shotted 4 strongest Sternritters (Askin Nakk Le Vaar, Lille Barro, Gerard Valkyrie and Pernida Parnkgjas) within like a minute (I don't remember that well). Askin even tried to catch him off guard and didn't succeed. That's quite a skill feat, at least for me.Creaturemaster971 said:
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>You can't be skilled with little to no experience.
Mr. Ikki would like to have a word with you. Experience is an in verse type of meter. Not outside of it.
Mr. Ikki would like to have a word with you. Experience is an in verse type of meter. Not outside of it.
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I would rather call that talent. If his growth hasn't ended than he can become way more "skilled" when he actually encounters other "skilled" opponents. Experience is undeniable factor for skill, you can't tell me it isn't.
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Ikki Kurogane as i said is the least talented character. He just worked hard for like...13 - 15 years and became the best. Experience can be an undeniable factor, it is not necessarily so. And there is also the fact that. A character in a verse can take 10 minutes to learn something it takes some prodigy from another verse 1 billion years to do the same. That's cus every verse has a different "growth rate" for each character. As in even the most flawed of flawed people can be a prodigy compared to other verses. That's why we don't count years of experience without feats here.SpookyShadow said:
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"A character in a verse can take 10 minutes to learn something it takes some prodigy from another verse 1 billion years to do the same."
That explains everything... Alright then. Then I guess it's filled with some bullshit powers like Toaru/Medaka Box.
That explains everything... Alright then. Then I guess it's filled with some bullshit powers like Toaru/Medaka Box.
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Did someone say 1 billion years to learn one technique? Look no more than here - Undying City Master, someone that for a few billions of years has studied only one skill to learn and perfect it. Also, it's considered short making him a genius.
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Not really, raw skill.SpookyShadow said:
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I can't take this seriously when I see there are guys that can mess with fate, casuality, kill someone by a thought, have acasuality et cetera. I don't think this is achieved by skill. If it is, then that's one twisted "skill" definition.
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Well he worked so hard that his fate could not contain his skill anymore. So he just broke logic.SpookyShadow said:
But even if you don't go with that, look at Ikki's skill feats. Literally most of them are technically possible but practically impossible. As in he took a 2x stat amp to an "at least" 500x stat amp with sheer skill (by draining energy from his every cell and shit). Can trick the mind of dozens of people with breathing techniques (and that means somehow entering the rythim of dozens of people simultaneously). Attack with such good technique it doesn't waste energy with air friction etc. He did all those via skill, yet there are feats that are impossible in other verses.
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Ikki sounds like those characters who can build a time-machine with a soda can and two twigs. You can call it skill all you want, but that shit ain't making sense.
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So it's not bullshit, it's huge bullshit
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Johnny Bravo is smart enough to engineer a monster tractor out of a horse carriage.InfiniteSped said:
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Those are all humanly and scientifically possible, just not to that extent.SpookyShadow said:
@IS He is more so a character who can cut metal with paper(which he did do btw). As in be the best swordsman without wielding a sword. I mean it's a given, as I've said before ikki is a dude with a sword in a verse where people can wish for the moon to come crashing down or cause 10D bfr via gravity hax. He is created to have the lvl of skill to beat these guys.
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I wrote a nice wall of text, but for some reason I cant post it >.<
Edit: Oh, but this works!?
Edit: Oh, but this works!?
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I love how people think Ikki is just an insane bs character just because earl leaves out 90% of the feats, like when he says:
"Ikki dodged invisible arrows from an invisible guy because he was in his head or something"
while the actual feat is:
"Ikki got shot a shitload of times to the point he couldnt move anymore. By getting shot this often he could make out a pattern. Since his opponent was a "I used a bad word describing mentally ill, thus I couldnt post it" who kept yelling like a maniac Ikki could tell where the shots will come from and where is opponent exactly is, thus blocking all incoming shots and winning the fight"
Or how about:
"Ikki managed to dodge a bunch of invisible rifts in space coz skill"
Even though what actually happened was:
"Ikki got cut a shitload of time by different rifts in space and thus figgured out where they are located at"
Or:
"Ikki defeated identical coppies of himself"
Even though it should be:
"Ikki defeated copies of himself that had his skill, but vastly different thought patterns"
Or:
"Ikki learned a secret technique by touching a girls leg."
Even though the context was:
"Ikki was a massive fan tard of her dad, actually somewhat knowing what the fighting style is about. He then fought a bunch of times with her, analyzing her technique and even telling her how to improve it. He later used a special technique from that fighting style, however, that girl straight up realized that he must have learned it during there fighting session, implying that she has pretty much shown him everything he needs to know. On top of that the technique wasnt even all that special..."
The author is usually actually trying to at least somewhat explain all of this, but Earl for some reason just loves to yeet all of that out the window.
"Ikki dodged invisible arrows from an invisible guy because he was in his head or something"
while the actual feat is:
"Ikki got shot a shitload of times to the point he couldnt move anymore. By getting shot this often he could make out a pattern. Since his opponent was a "I used a bad word describing mentally ill, thus I couldnt post it" who kept yelling like a maniac Ikki could tell where the shots will come from and where is opponent exactly is, thus blocking all incoming shots and winning the fight"
Or how about:
"Ikki managed to dodge a bunch of invisible rifts in space coz skill"
Even though what actually happened was:
"Ikki got cut a shitload of time by different rifts in space and thus figgured out where they are located at"
Or:
"Ikki defeated identical coppies of himself"
Even though it should be:
"Ikki defeated copies of himself that had his skill, but vastly different thought patterns"
Or:
"Ikki learned a secret technique by touching a girls leg."
Even though the context was:
"Ikki was a massive fan tard of her dad, actually somewhat knowing what the fighting style is about. He then fought a bunch of times with her, analyzing her technique and even telling her how to improve it. He later used a special technique from that fighting style, however, that girl straight up realized that he must have learned it during there fighting session, implying that she has pretty much shown him everything he needs to know. On top of that the technique wasnt even all that special..."
The author is usually actually trying to at least somewhat explain all of this, but Earl for some reason just loves to yeet all of that out the window.
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Lol.
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Look what you did now. You made Ikki sound like a chump.
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I will vouch for Ikki's stuff being absolutely ridiculous, particularly Perfect Vision, but IDK where the idea that it's instant came from
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Me neither, which is why I brought up in a debate before literally when has Ikki pulled it out right away on someone he knows more or less nothing about.
As far as what Ikki has done, I just dislike the stuff that seems so... eh? Like, you know something is weird when Okiage is literally described as the concept of slash and bringing the causation of kill or something like that, but I am totally fine with that and have a problem instead with "outskills massive fireball by twisting his body and reducing the area of effect across his skin, therefore coming out perfectly fine". That's when I feel you are just using skill as an excuse to try and be a bit more creative, Okiage feels like a reward for all of Ikki's efforts at least and like it belongs to him.
As far as what Ikki has done, I just dislike the stuff that seems so... eh? Like, you know something is weird when Okiage is literally described as the concept of slash and bringing the causation of kill or something like that, but I am totally fine with that and have a problem instead with "outskills massive fireball by twisting his body and reducing the area of effect across his skin, therefore coming out perfectly fine". That's when I feel you are just using skill as an excuse to try and be a bit more creative, Okiage feels like a reward for all of Ikki's efforts at least and like it belongs to him.
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Oh boy, time to debunk it. Ok so....
"Ikki dodged invisible arrows from an invisible guy because he was in his head or something"
I did even mention that he did it via using perfect vision and they even stated "the reason ikki couldn't fight up until this point was cus he was extremely nervous. So he didn't actually need to be shot that many times, he just needed his babe to cheer for him so he could get laid later on.
"Ikki managed to dodge a bunch of invisible rifts in space coz skill"
By "a shit load of times" you mean literally twice when both of them were cases when he couldn't dodge (mid air and as soon as he landed) and they even stated that her ability was "unknown to everyone". Ikki didn't even expect to be fighting something like that and they were both hits in quick succession. After that he was never hit by that again.
And let's not forget how perfect vision kicked in a couple of clashes mid fight against Kuraudo. Or how his insight worked on the very first time Dandalion used a technique (understood a technique as it was being used before it even finished). Or other cases like that. And i never said Perfect Vision is instant, just that it kicks in rather soon.
"Ikki defeated copies of himself"
I mean when did i ever not mention the thought patterns weren't the same? I did say it, people were still not believing it, considering all the Ikki's had his same skill and at least 48x all his stats,
"Ikki learned a secret technique by touching a girls leg."
That was the pun. It was for joking purposes. I had explained beforehand that it worked because he saw her stance. It was stated that he already knew the style before the fight against her iirc, and him being a fantard of the last samurai doesn't mean he fought him. He tried to fight him to collect the experience from him, but he was beaten to a pulp by the students who attacked him all at once and broke his fingers. He had never fought Kaito and he had never seen the ult technique before, he did copy as he said "because she had taken Kaito's lessons to heart". He was even comparing her stance to the stance of the Ayase style before he had even started fighting her at all.
"Ikki dodged invisible arrows from an invisible guy because he was in his head or something"
I did even mention that he did it via using perfect vision and they even stated "the reason ikki couldn't fight up until this point was cus he was extremely nervous. So he didn't actually need to be shot that many times, he just needed his babe to cheer for him so he could get laid later on.
"Ikki managed to dodge a bunch of invisible rifts in space coz skill"
By "a shit load of times" you mean literally twice when both of them were cases when he couldn't dodge (mid air and as soon as he landed) and they even stated that her ability was "unknown to everyone". Ikki didn't even expect to be fighting something like that and they were both hits in quick succession. After that he was never hit by that again.
And let's not forget how perfect vision kicked in a couple of clashes mid fight against Kuraudo. Or how his insight worked on the very first time Dandalion used a technique (understood a technique as it was being used before it even finished). Or other cases like that. And i never said Perfect Vision is instant, just that it kicks in rather soon.
"Ikki defeated copies of himself"
I mean when did i ever not mention the thought patterns weren't the same? I did say it, people were still not believing it, considering all the Ikki's had his same skill and at least 48x all his stats,
"Ikki learned a secret technique by touching a girls leg."
That was the pun. It was for joking purposes. I had explained beforehand that it worked because he saw her stance. It was stated that he already knew the style before the fight against her iirc, and him being a fantard of the last samurai doesn't mean he fought him. He tried to fight him to collect the experience from him, but he was beaten to a pulp by the students who attacked him all at once and broke his fingers. He had never fought Kaito and he had never seen the ult technique before, he did copy as he said "because she had taken Kaito's lessons to heart". He was even comparing her stance to the stance of the Ayase style before he had even started fighting her at all.
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Can someone actually said how skilled are Hayato Furinji and Teresa compared to Fugil?Ionliosite said:
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I don't think I have sufficient knowledge to really explain it well, but I'll try.Ionliosite said:
Furinji is laughably above nearly everyone in his home universe, with his only known equals being 2, tentatively 3 people in the whole world. Master Class Fighters, which as the name would imply are masters of their craft and styles perfected over years, with some masters above other masters and those masters having others above them in pure skill, are still not comparable to Furinji. His knowledge of martial arts extends to an incredible amount of martial arts, and he can easily copy the techniques of even other masters without much issue at a first glance. He also created The Legendary 108, 108 techniques of his own craftsmanship. Among some of them is a technique to divide his body so that each half does something different, going so far as to coach his granddauther and Kenichi at the same time while speaking in two voices that said different things and all the while perfectly controlling his power to not use any more power than necessary, Ryuusui Seikuken to perfectly follow the rhythm of the opponent and stop their attacks before they can even think about using them, and Shockwave of Forgetfulness, instilling full on amnesia or varying levels of memory lose with a head strike. His supremacy has not waned despite being 90+ years old at best.
In Claymore, there have always been 47 Claymores active at all times organized by rank. The bigger your number, the lower down the ranks. But even the weakest of them are immensely above normal Yoma, who fodderize normal humans and even soldiers most of the time, both in power and skill. Above them (usually) are Awakened Beings, Claymores that let all of their power loose and became shape changing beasts way more powerful than when they were claymores and keeping all of their skills. Abyssal ones are the very top of the very top of the Awakened Beings, all 3 of them being past Claymores that held the place of 1st seat. Not just their prowess, their skill was at the top of their class and one of them is even from the first batch of Claymores when they used males, being centuries old. Pryscilla, the moment she awakens, outstrips all of the 3 so badly its laughable. Even holding back and just limiting herself to the power she had while a Claymore, she handled and played around with the 7 Ghosts, who could match the higher ranked awakened beings or resurrected 1st rank claymores. By consequence, Pryscilla outstrips 78 generations of claymores including the 1st ranks of those generations. Teresa, in kind, outstrips her so completely that she takes their fight more or less like a joke and even takes the time to battle someone else beforehand, only using her full power for a final attack to make sure she'd stay dead and leave her to finally rest.
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Well, this are some things Fugil can do:
- Fugil can control perfectly every muscle of his body, including his heart and is capable of thinking and doing two different actions at the same time.
- He has mastered sword techniques to the point that he is capable of vaporizing his opponent with them, without using any kind of supernatural power.
- Fugil can make hundreds of slashes in an instant due to his ability to reduce the lag between his movements.
- Fugil is laughtlably above Lux in dodging skills (take into account that in the seies were said that the capablity to dodge of Lux was stated to be done through skill), and Lux is capable of dodging 17 attacks at the same time, with each of them coming from a different direction and constantly following his movement, without even seeing the attacks that were much faster than he could move and were performed by someone 10 times stronger than him and can even dodge attacks while being uncounscious.
- The Seven Dragon Paladins are an elite group of the world's greatest Drag-Knights, being considered among the best Drag-Knights to have ever lived and whose abilities go beyond anyone else on their countries. Fugil literally played with them and threated them like nothing, with all of them fearing how Fugil was so skilled that none of them could compare to his mastery over Drag-Ride techniques. Not to mention he has canonically outskilled every Drag-Knight to have ever lived for last 1000 years.
- He can use every Drag-Ride better than the original user. He is so skilled he can master every single ability and armament the Drag-Ride can offer, including every single use it can have, at the moment he first gets into the Drag-Ride
- His mastery over Drag-Rides is so great that he is more skilled than the Xfer, those who created the Drag-Rides and make them specifically for their use, to the point they believed he was the the perfect Drag-Knight.
- Casually defeated Mishis, who has trained herself for her entire life as an anti Drag-Knight specialist and having never lost a battle in centuries, easily outskilling the girls from Syvalles, an elite group of Drag-Knights who are considered to be among the best in the world.
- Can see into the future with sheer skill.
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@earl sorry for not answering, I had great fortune in one of my games, so I had to grind all day long ovo
1. I never said it wasnt with perfect vision, I said that it had an explanation to how it works. Its not a case of "It just works" Diavolo style (even though he isnt that complicated either tbh). To quote (the anime since I am too lazy to look it up in the novels): "Remember, the order of pains I received and their direction. There, There, There. The dephts and angles... And his words and his tone of voice..."
2. "By "a shit load of times" you mean literally twice when both of them were cases when he couldn't dodge (mid air and as soon as he landed) and they even stated that her ability was "unknown to everyone"."
Fair enough, I guess that was worded badly. However "he didnt expect it" is massive BS. I am not sure if you intendet me to see a specific part of that video (if you did, you should have linked the time stamp), but the guy literally says he expected her to cheat. He expected her to cheat with something noone could see. One of the very few things in the tournament that are not allowed is prepping the stage beforehand.... Nope, he didnt expect that at all... pfffft, nope. (sarcasm)
"And i never said Perfect Vision is instant, just that it kicks in rather soon."
And you never said that it isnt either. However, the way you talk about Ikki made it sound like its just a case of "it just works", which it isnt.
3. "I mean when did i ever not mention the thought patterns weren't the same?"
That was in a verses match, not here. What, did the way I phrase it make it sound like I meant you said it here? Hmmmm...
4. "him being a fantard of the last samurai doesn't mean he fought him."
No, but the guy was a TV legend, wasnt he? Ikki likely knew the style before ever meeting his daughter just by seeing him there...
"He had never fought Kaito and he had never seen the ult technique before"
I never said he did. I said that its implied that he learned enough about the style to pice it together and figure it out himself, which is yet again vastly different to "It just works"
Also, for people who dont know the verse, they wont know that the first time you properly explained the feat is the same feat as "he touched a girls leg so new technique". How would they know its talking about the same thing?
1. I never said it wasnt with perfect vision, I said that it had an explanation to how it works. Its not a case of "It just works" Diavolo style (even though he isnt that complicated either tbh). To quote (the anime since I am too lazy to look it up in the novels): "Remember, the order of pains I received and their direction. There, There, There. The dephts and angles... And his words and his tone of voice..."
2. "By "a shit load of times" you mean literally twice when both of them were cases when he couldn't dodge (mid air and as soon as he landed) and they even stated that her ability was "unknown to everyone"."
Fair enough, I guess that was worded badly. However "he didnt expect it" is massive BS. I am not sure if you intendet me to see a specific part of that video (if you did, you should have linked the time stamp), but the guy literally says he expected her to cheat. He expected her to cheat with something noone could see. One of the very few things in the tournament that are not allowed is prepping the stage beforehand.... Nope, he didnt expect that at all... pfffft, nope. (sarcasm)
"And i never said Perfect Vision is instant, just that it kicks in rather soon."
And you never said that it isnt either. However, the way you talk about Ikki made it sound like its just a case of "it just works", which it isnt.
3. "I mean when did i ever not mention the thought patterns weren't the same?"
That was in a verses match, not here. What, did the way I phrase it make it sound like I meant you said it here? Hmmmm...
4. "him being a fantard of the last samurai doesn't mean he fought him."
No, but the guy was a TV legend, wasnt he? Ikki likely knew the style before ever meeting his daughter just by seeing him there...
"He had never fought Kaito and he had never seen the ult technique before"
I never said he did. I said that its implied that he learned enough about the style to pice it together and figure it out himself, which is yet again vastly different to "It just works"
Also, for people who dont know the verse, they wont know that the first time you properly explained the feat is the same feat as "he touched a girls leg so new technique". How would they know its talking about the same thing?
