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Most Skilled Characters of Every Tier 6

RatherClueless said:
unless you have good feats to back it up, it doesnt. its just a nice extra compared to characters that dont have experience.
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That's so wrong is not even laughable.

But this thread already has really weird standards so eh.
 
@Sir

That's so correct and should be that way. Oogway with WAY over 500 years of experience gets bodied in terms of skill by a 15 year old boy. Experience is just a lazy way authors use to describe skill like "how do i make a character skilled? Yeah i'll just add some random number beyond 1 million and give that to him as experience in years". What you learn during your experience cannot be assumed to be in any way superior to what humans are capable of. So a dude with a billion years of experience, that has learned everything, will be assumed to have composite human levels of skill, nothing superhuman unless shown. We don't go like "X character is beyond multiversal logic with his skill, oh but character Y has 1 year more worth of experience so YEET".
 
the only way experience is worth anything is if it is in connection to a feat like "due to experience he can forsee his opponents next moves", however, in this case its like I have said before, the feat is the important part, not the "hes got lots of experience". The issue with eperience is also that someone like Ikki would learn far more from one fight than someone else from a thousand, so just having fought a lot/being very old isnt enough.
 
Technically Ikki got to the peak of skill his fate would allow in a few clashes with stella before going beyond what the fate/logic of the world would allow, so he technically transcended "experience" cus he reached what could be reached
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Technically Ikki got to the peak of skill his fate would allow in a few clashes with stella before going beyond what the fate/logic of the world would allow, so he technically transcended "experience" cus he reached what could be reached
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So you mean to say that perfection doesn't exist but Ikki does.
 
More like "limit". Everyone has a limit they can reach. He was fighting Stella, but Stella is a once in several decades genius, Ikki is a failure, so the difference in talent was starting to show when Ikki reached the peak of his fate (became as good as his fate would allow him to be), then just broke through this fate to get better.

They said "he is now a being that exists beyond the logic of this world" which does explain how he can get conceptual shit with skill.
 
RatherClueless said:
Why would I? I told you that I wont argue him unless someone tries to kick him from the list and he is still somehow in 1st.
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Might as well.

Any reasons why the Adventure should share or keep first place over KR characters?
 
Firephoenixearl said:
More like "limit". Everyone has a limit they can reach. He was fighting Stella, but Stella is a once in several decades genius, Ikki is a failure, so the difference in talent was starting to show when Ikki reached the peak of his fate (became as good as his fate would allow him to be), then just broke through this fate to get better.
They said "he is now a being that exists beyond the logic of this world" which does explain how he can get conceptual shit with skill.
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I mean, he has "Extraordinary Genius" on his profile so idk if he's a failure
 
The adventurer can

Pure Skill:

  • Detect an opponents weakness at a glance
  • Can learn any skill in an increalibly short time just by reading a manual/listening to its instructions
  • Master of many types of weapons
  • Such a great musician that he can heal/buff his allies or hurt his foes just by playing some songs
  • Can counter the very instant he gets hit
  • Can hide his presence from a godess that can sense even small things across realms, universes and dimensions
  • Is so accurate with a bow, that he ignores durability
  • As a human he shouldnt be able to even learn magic and even if he did, he should suck at it. However, the adventurers magic skill is so great that he can even fight on par with the gods that created and sustaine the universe.
  • Gained complete controll over his soul with skill alone to the point where he can posses spirits
  • Can ignore damage and decide to take it at a later point
Statements, experience, lore, etc:

  • Outskills everyone in the verse, including Mr. Oritius who posesses the concept of war (I know its not the concept of fighting, but still)
  • Outskilled everyone in Noieverre a dimension you can only access in death. Only high class souls that went through many reincanations will be granted access -> Everyone there has the skill of many lives and this is a verse that has many stupidly skilled characters
  • He himself went to Noieverre without the need of going through multiple lifes just because he is so skilled. (technically not this key, but his skill doesnt change based on the mq, so whatever)
  • When you defeat someone they almost always say something along the lines of "A human shouldnt posess so much skill! Impossible!". You get literally nonstop praise for how epic you are in a verse where most ppl are vastly above any irl human in skill
  • Has a vast amount of fighting knowledge and battle tactics
  • Took down entire countries and realms by himself
There is likely way more I couldnt think about rn

Not in this key:

  • Broke through all his earthly limitations and has an infinte potential.
  • Resided within Noieverre for many hundreds if not thousands of years where you cant rly do anything but train or cultivate your soul
 
Copy paste from other threads:

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Alright, i will just explain Sions skill feat once and let others decide, dont want this to go down like the a certain thread. I will just say that i believe Sion to be more skilled than most of the list, my biased shitty opinion.

Sion managed to beat a Knight 4 weeks after parental sword training (Meaning that she got her ass beaten in casual duels like a father would curb his son in soccer, calling that "training"). Sion got (She was 10 to that time by the way) a single, shitty advice in how to beat her trainer by the trainers brothers, who hated her (I mean it when i say it was shitty). The advice was to just erase the rythm behind her sword attacks, rendering them literally invisible and unnoticeable, something that isnt archieveable with mere speed. She took that advice, went to her trainer and curbed her ass in a single motion, suprising everyone.

But alright, what are Knights in the first place. Knights are a special military force, tasked with murdering high level AG's, AG's being the enemy force. To be even considered for the Knight Program, you have to be the best of the best from your homeworld, across the universe. They are then drilled in sword fight, military tactics and body cultivation, until they graduate by surviving an actual battlefield. There was a shown graduation mission, where literally 3 trainees from multiple ships came back alive. So already only the most skilled of them all actually become Knights, the rest gets culled without any mercy.

So right, our Trainees are now Knights. Being a Knight means that you are send to planetary scaled battlefields, where a single mistake spells your death faster than you can think. The dying rate as a Knight is still god damn high. If you survived enough Wars and proofed yourself by being oustanding, youre granted the title of Master Knight. Bear in mind at this point that while yes, most Knights run around with some sort of super power (Most them being super vanilla), they are by no means substitute for actual skill. It was stated literal geniuses would still die left and right if they dont hone their sword skills. Meaning that every Knight needs to be a extremly skilled sword fighter, or else he stands absolutly no chance on a battlefield.

So i hope you all, who are still reading, understand why Master Knights are so impressive in terms of skill. Because even Master Knights are absolutly nothing compared to the Cold Heroes. In Knight Run, Master Knights are already considered legends. Cold Heroes surpasses that so insanely, that they are frozen until humanity needs them. If Master Knights are heroes then Cold Heroes are gods, thawed only in case of Humanitys imminent demise. Strentgh, paranormal powers and skill, a Master Knight is nothing compared to that.

And even among those monsters, Sion is considered the greatest. Like i said already, Knight Run spans over 500 years of human development, beyond earth. In that span, no one reached, what Sion archived. Someone who basically archived the chlichee state of nothingness that all sword fighter aspire, was hardly near Sions prime.

After understanding the setting, lets nutshell her feats:

-Could copy a entire martial art after witnissing it once. Said martial art lacked the theory behind it, meaning that it became useless. Sion saw it once, determined every purpose for every movement and made it thus useable for her family again

-Beat her Pupil Clint in a pure sword fight. Said pupil trained since his youth in his sword art. He was to well over 70 years old in that duel, constantly training to surpasse Sion. His skill with the sword was so great that he was considered the next Sword Saint after Sion. Sion casually beat him, with her body in such a bad condition that a blocked attack nearly ripped apart her body

-Walzed through a gigantic army of AG's that piled on her with utter ease with nothing other than her sword. And when i talk about gigantic, i mean it. An entire warship full of AG's.

-Fought against Hyperio, a AG on the same level as Fear, who could decimate entire Knight Armies unarmed. Hyperion was such a cheeky opponent, because it shredded Sion's physical stats down to 20% just by standing near her. Every touch from Mysteltein would have killed Sion, it additionally had Danmaku with the same properties as Mysteltein that Hyperion loved to abuse and spam. Sion fought against Hyperion with cutted stats ON top of her already destroyed body (It was so badly destroyed and hurt that she legit thought about just giving up and closing her eyes, due to the pain) while deflecting one shotting everythings. With a single sword. Oh, and Hyperion can teleport too, she striked it out in the middle of teleporation by predicting the attack down to its timing."

Tl:DR

>Surpassed all earthly martial arts and fighting forms, mastered forms far in the future, can break down martial arts after a single glimps, apply experience with that martial art like she did it 10000 times already and mastered techniques from a single, lousy advice. When she was a kid

>Was regarded the greatest Sword Master in the history of humanity throughout the universe, her sword skill was unparralled to the point where her pupil, someone who trained since his youth (So around, 50 - 60 years) in the art of sword fighting, who got so good that he was considered the next Sword Saint, a title Sion held prior, was casually beaten by her. She did so in a physical state, where a sword clash nearly ripped her body apart. Her body was damaged beyond believe

>Later on, in that terrible physical state, faced Hyperion, a enemy who was stronger and faster than Sion. Hyperion passivly cutted Sions stats down to 20%, every touch with Mysteltein, its weapon, would have oneshotted Sion and it had a buttload of Danmaku and laser drones, who all replicated Mystelteins effect. In that fight Sion had nothing more than her sword to fight off Hyperion. She won in the end.

For Sion. Pray is superior to her and Dry and Anne are close behind them
 
A failure in magic, not skill/intelligence

That's cus we treat iq weirdly here. Like you can have an iq of 70 but if you have enough experience to keep up with good people you're called a genius in our profiles. Ikki was a failure in magic, and all his skill is just hard work, not talent. He is the least talented dude in all the series, that's cus the verse doesn't seem to treat skill as talent.

But in his fight vs stella once he reached the peak of his fate, he stopped growing cus he was a failure, stella who is the peak of talent kept growing until he couldn't keep up with her anymore. So he did the next best thing and broke through the logic of the world...
 
Ionliosite said:
Actually, Fugil Arcadia should be above Lux. He outskills him even asleep.
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I will elaborate with Fugil.

  • Fugil created every single technique Lux uses, having accomplished that same mastery of his abilities millenia ago and has continued to train and perfect them since then.
  • He can use every Drag-Ride in the series better than the original user. He is so skilled he can master every single ability and armament the Drag-Ride can offer, including every single use it can have, at the moment he first gets into the Drag-Ride
  • Lux can dodge 17 attacks at the same time, with each of them coming from a different direction and constantly following his movement, without even seeing the attacks that were much faster than he could move and were performed by someone 10 times stronger than him. And Fugil is vastly above this.
  • Has outskilled every single Drag-Knight that has ever lived for the last 1000 years.
  • His mastery over Drag-Rides is so great that he is more skilled than those who created them.
  • Casually defeated Mishis, who has trained herself for her entire life as an anti Drag-Knight specialist and having never lost a battle in centuries.
  • Mastered a sword technique to the point he can vaporize people with it despite the technique not involving any supernatural ability.
  • Can see into the future with sheer skill.
 
Well, Future Warrior from Xenoverse 2 has fought buffed versions of Jiren, Ultra Instinct Goku, Fusion Zamasu, etc. And they've also managed to damage Whis while he was holding back. They also have a lot of experience from training under the mentors and have also been shown to use swords, the power pole, ki blades, and other weapons effectively.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
@Sir
That's so correct and should be that way. Oogway with WAY over 500 years of experience gets bodied in terms of skill by a 15 year old boy. Experience is just a lazy way authors use to describe skill like "how do i make a character skilled? Yeah i'll just add some random number beyond 1 million and give that to him as experience in years". What you learn during your experience cannot be assumed to be in any way superior to what humans are capable of. So a dude with a billion years of experience, that has learned everything, will be assumed to have composite human levels of skill, nothing superhuman unless shown. We don't go like "X character is beyond multiversal logic with his skill, oh but character Y has 1 year more worth of experience so YEET".
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And skill is just a lazy way to have characters do stuff with skill that no one would ever do with skill. And hax is a way to show how great a character is when that hax is not even earned many times.

And etc etc etc, when you endeavor to make it sound useless then yes, anything is gonna sound like it doesn't mean anything because "writers this and that". Funny that you use the Oogway example when he's still above everyone but 2 people in specific. Surprisingly, not everyone learns at the same speed.
 
Skill is not a lazy way for the author to do something. It's a choice. Experience is just a completely unquantifiable way of defining skill, bordering on being plainly stupid. Different authors give different emphasis on experience. Some can say in 1 year he became capable of feats that are plainly superhuman to the point of being capable of being called hax, yet THAT is skill, not random ass "i have a lot of experience", because my dude, without feats everything is at best composite human. You are not assumed to do anything superhuman unless you show that. It's like saying "Ikki's training was way harsher than Saitama's that's why Ikki should be way above High 6-A", no cus different authors, different way to look at "training" (don't even bring up the gagness).

He is still below everyone doe. He's 5th below what is practically a whole verse (katanagatari), Mori jin, eternal champion, and below Ikki (before Ikki moved up in tiers). And literally all of them (besides Jin i think), have WAY less experience, as in not even close. And dude you just debunked yourself "not everyone learns at the same speed"....
 
No, when you decide to put it the way you put it, literally any justification for this and that can sound stupid and meaningless is my point.

Not to mention, we don't care about author intent or what the author knows or doesn't know here. Being better than someone that has a lot of experience isn't a thumbs down for the dude with experience, its a thumbs up for the dude that won. You can say this and that about it being meaningless, but that's not how its down here, so try and give substantial reasons why. You literally missed the irony of saying Poo is above Oogway with way less experience when only 2 across the whole movies are above Oogway, and everyone else below still has crazy skill feats. Far from the best example to illustrate your point.

No Earl, I debunked nothing. None of those infinite numbers of people are the same, and the verse already has people with obviously superhuman levels of skill as Celestial pointed out. Experience is not a meaningless statement because feats tend to be preferred, that's dumb.
 
>2 characters capable of learning a technique with one glance -> can be compared without extra context

>2 characters having 1000 years of combat experience -> cant be compared without context

Why? Well, lets assume character one can like the characters in the first example copy and learn a technique from just a glance. Idk, lets stack complete fighting analysis on top of that too. 1000 years will be much more usefull to him than compared to some average schmo with a sword that cant do that and barely improves in that time at all.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
No Earl, I debunked nothing. None of those infinite numbers of people are the same, and the verse already has people with obviously superhuman levels of skill as Celestial pointed out. Experience is not a meaningless statement because feats tend to be preferred, that's dumb.
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Yes if the verse has superhuman level feats, then yeah sure, if someone with 10 trillion years of experience who is stated to be superior will cap out at that level of feat. And as i said "experience is meaningless without context". If experience is used in verse to put someone out as "more than skilled than someone who has actual feats", then yes, if not then he just caps out at composite human level of skill.

Not gonna go into your other point as it isn't exactly correct.
 
So... "an ocean that is infinite in lenght and infinite in width might still very shallow"

Which makes no sense since, by your example, that would constitute an aggregation of all of the myraid skills and experiences, making it a much bigger quantity than the sums of its parts since we know the dude with all these experiences can use and combine these skills?

So yes, that quote above and saying this doesn't scale above "Peak Human" which was Earl but still, is both laughable and silly.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
This is a highly subjective, but somewhat quantifiable thread. Although, as long as your English writing skills are up to scratch, you can mindhax enough people to agree with you and get your character/s on the list.
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Idk why i liked this message, but it deserves a kudou.
 
So you TacticalNuke002 said:
This is a highly subjective, but somewhat quantifiable thread. Although, as long as your English writing skills are up to scratch, you can mindhax enough people to agree with you and get your character/s on the list.
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So you are saying this is secretly a Social Influencing training camp.
 
More like "An ocean of infinite length at width will be assumed to be very shallow unless someone has tried to dive in there". It might not be an ocean at all, unless they have shown to do any good feats with that experience they will at best be assumed composite human. Why? Composite human has just about more experience than anyone you can think of. Just run the math, the years of experience of every human to have ever exist combined. Yet any supernatural feat is completely out of our league.

That's why feats are needed my boi.
 
Last I saw this that's not how we treat composite human though.

And the problem is that you somehow think this is just "peak human". That's what I find absurd, and what I don't agree with, because it is indeed absurd.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Last I saw this that's not how we treat composite human though.
And the problem is that you somehow think this is just "peak human". That's what I find absurd, and what I don't agree with, because it is indeed absurd.
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By peak human i actually meant composite human. Peak human as in "peak of humanity" (what humanity is capable of achieving). My bad wording there. But my point stands as "no arguments of being above a supernatural feat with just experience".
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
This is a highly subjective, but somewhat quantifiable thread. Although, as long as your English writing skills are up to scratch, you can mindhax enough people to agree with you and get your character/s on the list.
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Or argue for Ikki so that you can argue he's beyond skill if things get hard
 
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