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Yes but the OP states 6B versions
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Mori Jin vs Kiss-shot Acerola-orion Heart-under-blade
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And like I said, 6-B doesn't have a specific speed restriction, so it'd default to strongest, which would be SoL...
I mean this can just be resolved by the OP stipulating MHS/Supersonic. Actually idk how that would interact with speed equal, is speed equal necessary if they could just both be set to MHS to start?
I mean this can just be resolved by the OP stipulating MHS/Supersonic. Actually idk how that would interact with speed equal, is speed equal necessary if they could just both be set to MHS to start?
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Yes but Speed is Equalized and when it is equalized it is equalized to the lowest statistic of either character.
Of course, to completely ignore this weird discussion, just remove speed from my argument, not much really changes given the massive skill gap.
Of course, to completely ignore this weird discussion, just remove speed from my argument, not much really changes given the massive skill gap.
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idk if the skill gap is massive enough to make him unhittable if they have similar speeds.
Kiss-shot has been consistently fending off expert vampire hunters and other aberrations for hundreds of years, and can create many copies of her instakill sword, which she can throw with great precision. She also has flight, intangibility, and the ability to hide in shadows if he gets too close.
I have no idea how "he has more skill" would let him magically dodge every attack, and magically stop her from being able to use her ways of avoiding attacks.
Kiss-shot has been consistently fending off expert vampire hunters and other aberrations for hundreds of years, and can create many copies of her instakill sword, which she can throw with great precision. She also has flight, intangibility, and the ability to hide in shadows if he gets too close.
I have no idea how "he has more skill" would let him magically dodge every attack, and magically stop her from being able to use her ways of avoiding attacks.
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It has been proven time and again that if your first hit doesn't kill Mori, he simply adapts and counters. You can't do the same shit to Mori twice. Proof here and here (read here for context)
Mori can see the weakpoints of people just by looking at them. While initially, he couldn't see the weakpoints of people on par or stronger than him, when he actually gave a shit he was able to see those weakpoints on anyone. Proof here and here. Attacking weakpoints accumulates damage and since it's Bongchim Style Acupuncture it also negates durability.
Speaking of Bongchim Style Acupuncture, all martial arts Mori performs now increase his AP considerably. Speaking of, those dragons can also surround Mori and deflect National Treasures, which are AP increasing weapons.
Since this a skill fight, let's talk about all the times Mori has used his opponent's attacks against him like here and here. The times Mori counterattacked people at the same time he's being attacked. The fact that one of the most common counterattacks Mori has performed is literally impossible for Shinobu to undo because Mori has immensely more lifting strength than Shinobu does.
More Skill Stuff Courtesy of Sir Ovens
Mori casually copies attacks that took other people years of their life to master. He can adapt to martial arts techniques and has been known to come up with his own brand new techniques to counter them mid battle.
Re-Taekwondo is a martial art that Shinobu would struggle with, It took a boy with Precognition an entire day to master a single kick perfectly, seeing into his own future to copy the kick exactly as he saw it, and he still lacked the proper knowledge on how to effectively utilize Re-Taekwondo. 80% of the Korean military that practiced the art exploded from the sheer force of the art, and the art has been stated to be solely used for Taejin Ji's body. Jin did this technique by looking at it once.
Accupuncture can boost Mori's own speed and AP and can make Mori feel no pain. In addition to that, people hit by accupuncture can't heal normally. Nanotechnology and Borrowed Power healing can't cure someone hit by acupuncture. Mind you, Borrowed Power utilizes the soul of a person, so take from that what you will. Acupuncture can also paralyse the opponent.
Also also, the argument that armour will make acupuncture useless is moot when you realize the only time it didn't work was on someone who's body was made up of the strongest material in both heaven and earth.
This is all to simply say I don't see how Shinobu being a decent fighter means she can hit somebody with Skill on this level.
Mori can see the weakpoints of people just by looking at them. While initially, he couldn't see the weakpoints of people on par or stronger than him, when he actually gave a shit he was able to see those weakpoints on anyone. Proof here and here. Attacking weakpoints accumulates damage and since it's Bongchim Style Acupuncture it also negates durability.
Speaking of Bongchim Style Acupuncture, all martial arts Mori performs now increase his AP considerably. Speaking of, those dragons can also surround Mori and deflect National Treasures, which are AP increasing weapons.
Since this a skill fight, let's talk about all the times Mori has used his opponent's attacks against him like here and here. The times Mori counterattacked people at the same time he's being attacked. The fact that one of the most common counterattacks Mori has performed is literally impossible for Shinobu to undo because Mori has immensely more lifting strength than Shinobu does.
More Skill Stuff Courtesy of Sir Ovens
Mori casually copies attacks that took other people years of their life to master. He can adapt to martial arts techniques and has been known to come up with his own brand new techniques to counter them mid battle.
Re-Taekwondo is a martial art that Shinobu would struggle with, It took a boy with Precognition an entire day to master a single kick perfectly, seeing into his own future to copy the kick exactly as he saw it, and he still lacked the proper knowledge on how to effectively utilize Re-Taekwondo. 80% of the Korean military that practiced the art exploded from the sheer force of the art, and the art has been stated to be solely used for Taejin Ji's body. Jin did this technique by looking at it once.
Accupuncture can boost Mori's own speed and AP and can make Mori feel no pain. In addition to that, people hit by accupuncture can't heal normally. Nanotechnology and Borrowed Power healing can't cure someone hit by acupuncture. Mind you, Borrowed Power utilizes the soul of a person, so take from that what you will. Acupuncture can also paralyse the opponent.
Also also, the argument that armour will make acupuncture useless is moot when you realize the only time it didn't work was on someone who's body was made up of the strongest material in both heaven and earth.
This is all to simply say I don't see how Shinobu being a decent fighter means she can hit somebody with Skill on this level.
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Jesus Christ, you're seriously giving me 10 entire, fairly large, chapters to read through?
It has been proven time and again that if your first hit doesn't kill Mori, he simply adapts and counters. You can't do the same shit to Mori twice. Proof here and here (read here for context)
Good thing deathhax would instakill.
I'm also extremely doubtful that "Learns how to counter techniques after witnessing them" equalizes to "Will always be able to dodge against all logic because he's seen it once"
Mori can see the weakpoints of people just by looking at them. While initially, he couldn't see the weakpoints of people on par or stronger than him, when he actually gave a shit he was able to see those weakpoints on anyone. Proof here and here. Attacking weakpoints accumulates damage and since it's Bongchim Style Acupuncture it also negates durability.
Speaking of Bongchim Style Acupuncture, all martial arts Mori performs now increase his AP considerably. Speaking of, those dragons can also surround Mori and deflect National Treasures, which are AP increasing weapons.
I don't see the relevance of this to the fight. Attacking weakpoints and gaining AP and negating durability doesn't matter if your opponent can turn into mist, fly, or dive into a shadow the second you come remotely close.
Since this a skill fight, let's talk about all the times Mori has used his opponent's attacks against him like here and here. The times Mori counterattacked people at the same time he's being attacked. The fact that one of the most common counterattacks Mori has performed is literally impossible for Shinobu to undo because Mori has immensely more lifting strength than Shinobu does.
I'd like either more explanation on their relevance or more specific scans instead of linking massive chapters, but since the last link is concise, how the **** is "He can hold someone's arms down with a kick" meant to do anything against Kiss-shot?
Again, this isn't a skill fight. It isn't some brawl between two haxless 9-Bs. There are abilities that can't just be blocked, abilities that are difficult to dodge, and ways of getting out of damage that have to be accounted for.
Mori casually copies attacks that took other people years of their life to master. He can adapt to martial arts techniques and has been known to come up with his own brand new techniques to counter them mid battle.
Re-Taekwondo is a martial art that Shinobu would struggle with, It took a boy with Precognition an entire day to master a single kick perfectly, seeing into his own future to copy the kick exactly as he saw it, and he still lacked the proper knowledge on how to effectively utilize Re-Taekwondo. 80% of the Korean military that practiced the art exploded from the sheer force of the art, and the art has been stated to be solely used for Taejin Ji's body. Jin did this technique by looking at it once.
Again I do not see the relevance. "He can come up with his own martial art techniques and learn really difficult stuff." Cool, that doesn't let him attack shadows, and it doesn't make him immune to death manip-inducing swords.
Accupuncture can boost Mori's own speed and AP and can make Mori feel no pain. In addition to that, people hit by accupuncture can't heal normally. Nanotechnology and Borrowed Power healing can't cure someone hit by acupuncture. Mind you, Borrowed Power utilizes the soul of a person, so take from that what you will. Acupuncture can also paralyse the opponent.
Speed boosts would turn the tides of things, and paralysis would be a viable wincon.
This is all to simply say I don't see how Shinobu being a decent fighter means she can hit somebody with Skill on this level.
I don't see how being able to learn counters to things, being able to counterattack martial arts moves, and being able to learn martial arts quickly means you can avoid thought-based telekinesis, and never get hit by a flurry of swords from a comparably-fast opponent. I also fail to see how those let you hit someone who can turn into mist at will, hide in shadows at will, and fly around the planet.
(Also, she does have duplication btw)
It has been proven time and again that if your first hit doesn't kill Mori, he simply adapts and counters. You can't do the same shit to Mori twice. Proof here and here (read here for context)
Good thing deathhax would instakill.
I'm also extremely doubtful that "Learns how to counter techniques after witnessing them" equalizes to "Will always be able to dodge against all logic because he's seen it once"
Mori can see the weakpoints of people just by looking at them. While initially, he couldn't see the weakpoints of people on par or stronger than him, when he actually gave a shit he was able to see those weakpoints on anyone. Proof here and here. Attacking weakpoints accumulates damage and since it's Bongchim Style Acupuncture it also negates durability.
Speaking of Bongchim Style Acupuncture, all martial arts Mori performs now increase his AP considerably. Speaking of, those dragons can also surround Mori and deflect National Treasures, which are AP increasing weapons.
I don't see the relevance of this to the fight. Attacking weakpoints and gaining AP and negating durability doesn't matter if your opponent can turn into mist, fly, or dive into a shadow the second you come remotely close.
Since this a skill fight, let's talk about all the times Mori has used his opponent's attacks against him like here and here. The times Mori counterattacked people at the same time he's being attacked. The fact that one of the most common counterattacks Mori has performed is literally impossible for Shinobu to undo because Mori has immensely more lifting strength than Shinobu does.
I'd like either more explanation on their relevance or more specific scans instead of linking massive chapters, but since the last link is concise, how the **** is "He can hold someone's arms down with a kick" meant to do anything against Kiss-shot?
Again, this isn't a skill fight. It isn't some brawl between two haxless 9-Bs. There are abilities that can't just be blocked, abilities that are difficult to dodge, and ways of getting out of damage that have to be accounted for.
Mori casually copies attacks that took other people years of their life to master. He can adapt to martial arts techniques and has been known to come up with his own brand new techniques to counter them mid battle.
Re-Taekwondo is a martial art that Shinobu would struggle with, It took a boy with Precognition an entire day to master a single kick perfectly, seeing into his own future to copy the kick exactly as he saw it, and he still lacked the proper knowledge on how to effectively utilize Re-Taekwondo. 80% of the Korean military that practiced the art exploded from the sheer force of the art, and the art has been stated to be solely used for Taejin Ji's body. Jin did this technique by looking at it once.
Again I do not see the relevance. "He can come up with his own martial art techniques and learn really difficult stuff." Cool, that doesn't let him attack shadows, and it doesn't make him immune to death manip-inducing swords.
Accupuncture can boost Mori's own speed and AP and can make Mori feel no pain. In addition to that, people hit by accupuncture can't heal normally. Nanotechnology and Borrowed Power healing can't cure someone hit by acupuncture. Mind you, Borrowed Power utilizes the soul of a person, so take from that what you will. Acupuncture can also paralyse the opponent.
Speed boosts would turn the tides of things, and paralysis would be a viable wincon.
This is all to simply say I don't see how Shinobu being a decent fighter means she can hit somebody with Skill on this level.
I don't see how being able to learn counters to things, being able to counterattack martial arts moves, and being able to learn martial arts quickly means you can avoid thought-based telekinesis, and never get hit by a flurry of swords from a comparably-fast opponent. I also fail to see how those let you hit someone who can turn into mist at will, hide in shadows at will, and fly around the planet.
(Also, she does have duplication btw)
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Who she is completely leagues above them in AP and abilities. I’m pretty sure she fends them off via raw power rather than actual skill in combat.
The show even states that’s she the queen of aberrations. Even high level vampires,who those same specialists struggle with are one shot by her.
imo mori stomps via skill,Shinobu can’t compare here
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(Just clarify, I don’t think Mori actually stomps due to Agnaa’s points. Only in skill does he destroy her)
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Right, I don't think that Shinobu has superior skill, but she has competency in fighting. She knows how to use her abilities well, she has good aim.
She's not just gonna stand around and get paralyzed when she has many ways of avoiding it, and she's capable of bringing out the big guns (multiple Kokorowataris, TK destruction).
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I was going to make a response....
But I forgot about the Shadows bit
So Ill save some time and revote Shinobu
But I forgot about the Shadows bit
So Ill save some time and revote Shinobu
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This was a great debate to watch, tbh
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There was like no debate though
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I mean, it kind of was, mainly in the sense that you were going back and forth on how effective Shinobu would be at dealing with Mori Jin's arsenal.
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Debate me.
lol
lol
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Yeah for like 2 Posts
Good Debates are way longer then that, https://vsbattles.com/threads/kratos-vs-hadesmon.11575/
Good Debates are way longer then that, https://vsbattles.com/threads/kratos-vs-hadesmon.11575/
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That'll be a good read XD
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Also, speaking of shadows, I forgot about this feat until I re-checked my notes:
So apparently Shinobu can meaningfully damage the outside world from within her shadow, but this minor feat as a child is the only time we see her doing such.
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Notes?
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This guy *****
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EDIT: CRAP my lewd self came out sorry
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owo
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Thats probably a good thing
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Saying that makes me glad I missed it.
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Apply the upgrade?
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schnee horny on main smh
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