More Masadaverse 1-A Hax, Because Why Not?

[Dziga]

Last time this was brought up, it wasn't concluded, so I'll give it a shot.

Ren Fuji's Eine Faust Finale should have 1-A Hax, given what was shown and stated during the events of Rea's route:

- Eine Faust Finale is comparable to Gladsheim.

- Possesses a connection to something transcendent (Mercurius and the Throne).

- Was unleashed due to Ren being empowered by the throne.

- The commanders, during their second encounter after the opening of the 8th Swastika, were stated to have achieved a level akin to Atziluth, thanks to Reinhard's blessing. Should be noted that EFF Ren was stated to be able to take on 1 Commander at a time, but not all three at the same time.

- Ren at this stage is at the verge of unleashing his Atziluth, only holding himself from completely emanating it due to knowing it would freeze all of creating forever.

Given that Reinhard's 1-A Hax was accepted and the evidence presented, it should be concluded Ren's Eine Faust Finale Hax should be in fact, 1-A.

 

[Warren_Valion]

You should probably add the scans saying that the Three Commanders had "something akin to the Atzulith degree" when fighting Ren.


And just a question:

What is the context of that statement about the Gravitational Force being tens of thousands of times stronger?

Is it just the feeling of moving in slowed time, or is it an actual pressure like the last line seems to indicate?

 

[Dziga]

Contextually, I believe it's referring to the sheer pressure of Ren's power being unleashed. And yes I'll add the scan, thanks for pointing that.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Yes I been waiting for one.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

We already knew that Ren's source of power is from the throne.

 

[Dziga]

We already knew that Ren's source of power is from the throne.

Yeh but that's relevant to the revision so I put it there.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

i remember bringing this up as a question cuz i was kinda unsure. The first one i think was 5/8 swastika reinhard but there is a point to the text saying the result of the second encounter would have likely ended far more different with the added fact masada said ren can beat them in a one on one fight. And yeah I do remember that ren was mentally blocking his ability to go higher after learning the truth stating he could go to emmanation but knowing it would be smth like an expansion to reinhard would be just as bad (cuz everyone is time stopped). I'm not 100% sure just giving what I understood

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Btw, if this goes through, which haxes will be 1-A?

 

[Dziga]

Btw, if this goes through, which haxes will be 1-A?

Time Manipulation

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Y i k e s.

Haven't started my Masada run yet, but this seems pretty solid evidence.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah, it's solid.

 

[Dziga]

Cool, gonna wait some more input before making changes.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Oh boy

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I disagree.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I disagree.

Any reasons why?

 

[Dziga]

Any reasons why?

He doesn't need a reason, that's his job.


I refuse

 

[Paul_Frank]

Matt just hates masada ignore him

Op makes sense to me

 

[Dziga]

I'm gonna drop soon then, gonna check back in 10-11 hours.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Initially, I was against the idea of Ren's Time Manipulation being on such a level because of the fights with his fight with The Three Commanders.

But with them being stated to be boosted with Reinhard's blessing - and with the numerous statements - I kind of think this to be really solid.

I agree with the upgrade unless something proves otherwise.

 

[SchroKatze]

I disagree.

Any reasons why?

TES gets frozen, thats his reasoning.

 

[SchroKatze]

Also, I agree with the revisions.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Guys, please don't start throwing around insults. Give Matthew time to explain why he disagrees.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Guys, please don't start throwing around insults. Give Matthew time to explain why he disagrees.

^ This

No need for any hostility.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I would want to see the opinion of actual Staff / Knowledgeable people on Masada like ALRF and Monarch.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I would want to see the opinion of actual Staff / Knowledgeable people on Masada like ALRF and Monarch.

ALRF is on an indefinite hiatus from the wiki - so it is extrememtly unlikely to hear from him.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I can find him on Discord actually and there's Trexalfa and EvilMegaCookie who I know off-site too.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I can find him on Discord actually and there's Trexalfa and EvilMegaCookie who I know off-site too.

Oh, okay.

If you do talk to him, tell him I say, "Hi".

 

[SchroKatze]

ALRF literally doesn't use Discord often. Its really rare for him to do so.

 

[Archaron]

I agree with that thread.

Shirou 1-A too please

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I'm neutral right now, let's wait for the most trusted masada supporters come here before conclude anything.

 

[EvilMegaCookie]

First off, I find the idea of Ren somehow having the potency of an Atziluth user to be ridiculous. First off, what is even the point of Atziluth if he already has the power of one? Yeah, sure. Hax. But that still sounds really weird. Because one aspect of Atziluth is that the number of people no longer matters since you are rewriting the multiverse with your Law. As is usually the case with Hadou/Hegemony in Briah that it gets weaker the more people are in the vicinity. And that still applies to him in Finale.

Yet we are somehow going to assume that he and Gladsheimr somehow have this power to hit as hard as a 1-A character? What. I kinda need someone to sum up how we got to the 1-A point.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

For Reinhard we had a whole thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1883080?useskin=oasis

For Ren I dunno, If this goes he would get what? 1-A time slow? He already has the limitless stamina thanks to his connection with the Throne.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Can you stop being irrelevant, Aboo?

Regardless what EMC say tbh, otherwise Schreiber weakness gonna be dumb af.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

What was that..

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Irrelevant answer is irrelevant, sasuga.

 

[Dziga]

First off, I find the idea of Ren somehow having the potency of an Atziluth user to be ridiculous. First off, what is even the point of Atziluth if he already has the power of one? Yeah, sure. Hax. But that still sounds really weird. Because one aspect of Atziluth is that the number of people no longer matters since you are rewriting the multiverse with your Law. As is usually the case with Hadou/Hegemony in Briah that it gets weaker the more people are in the vicinity. And that still applies to him in Finale.

Yet we are somehow going to assume that he and Gladsheimr somehow have this power to hit as hard as a 1-A character? What. I kinda need someone to sum up how we got to the 1-A point.

Gladsheimr was agreed to be 1-A for quite a while already.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It having been agreed already is not an argument as to whether or not it is legitimate.

 

[Dziga]

So we agree it's 1-A, it's implemented in his profile, but I'm not allowed to take it as legitimate? Ok.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You can think it is legitimate but using the fact that it was accepted as your only argument is an appeal to numbers.

 

[Dziga]

Matt, we're talking about information that was accepted and implemented on the profile for months already, if you have a problem with it, someone has to make a Downgrade CRT.