Mooncell High 1C Revision

[Avengershows]

both cannot be observed by the laws of physics, only the far side of the moon cannot be observed or interacted with by the laws of physics, the far side of the moon is in a higher dimension like the core, but the problem here is, and the part I don't understand is, is the far side of the moon over the barrier? dimensional? Or on the core? If the core alone makes all 4 regions 9D, the number of imaginary spaces should be 10D, but this creates a contradiction, so I am still waiting for the site admins to read and interpret this scale, as it will be either 9D or 10D, probably 9D, related to the structure of the mooncell

But the Far Side of the Moon was literally OBSERVED by the laws of physics, when it was described as Higher Dimensional. Also, as I've said above. Being unable to be observed by the laws of physics DOES NOT inherently mean being in a Higher Dimension, let me use an analogy:
If we create a category called "Colory", which so far is only able to describe and observe "Purple", "Red" and "Yellow". And let's say that it proposes that "Purple" has 8 shades in total. "Colory" then looks at the color "Blue" and it cannot observe or describe it. Does that mean that the color "Blue" is a 9th shade of "Purple"?

 

[1Nairove]

But the Far Side of the Moon was literally OBSERVED by the laws of physics, when it was described as Higher Dimensional. Also, as I've said above. Being unable to be observed by the laws of physics DOES NOT inherently mean being in a Higher Dimension, let me use an analogy:
If we create a category called "Colory", which so far is only able to describe and observe "Purple", "Red" and "Yellow". And let's say that it proposes that "Purple" has 8 shades in total. "Colory" then looks at the color "Blue" and it cannot observe or describe it. Does that mean that the color "Blue" is a 9th shade of "Purple"?

you're right about that, no one has accepted it anyway. I'm defending that for 10D, the far side of the moon is higher dimensional like the core, I gave proof of this on scale, but as I just wrote, if the core doesn't scale the whole mooncell 9D or if I can't prove that it is higher dimensional than the core 10D is impossible, I can't do what I said, because even the core passes implicitly like this, the best case is the first thing I said, "the whole mooncell scaling of the core", but it can be 10D, but the subject of the laws of physics I mentioned on the scale, of course, will not give an upper dimension

 

[inkownn]

you're right about that, no one has accepted it anyway. I'm defending that for 10D, the far side of the moon is higher dimensional like the core, I gave proof of this on scale, but as I just wrote, if the core doesn't scale the whole mooncell 9D or if I can't prove that it is higher dimensional than the core 10D is impossible, I can't do what I said, because even the core passes implicitly like this, the best case is the first thing I said, "the whole mooncell scaling of the core", but it can be 10D, but the subject of the laws of physics I mentioned on the scale, of course, will not give an upper dimension

The problem with this line of reasoning is that the reason you guys are attributing the higher dimensional status to the core is by using the higher dimensional statement by Rani paired with its higher perspective nature. Because it’s very likely those two things are related. The reason for this was, as others have given, is that Bb obtained this higher dimensional perspective over the record universes by merging with said core. The main problem with that is the 8d scaling for the moon cell is not via the near side or the observable universes. It’s specifically the barrier than cuts through 8 dimensions. And we don’t really have proof that the core is able to view the barrier itself from the higher dimensional perspective it views the record universe as. You can’t argue that it would bc it “views the whole moon cell” due to the fact the far side is unobservable by the core.
Actually it’s even harder to say that the observable universes or near side would scale to 8d when you consider the first scan you sent “the barrier surrounding the core is unreachable”
Implying that, even if it wasn’t a difference of dimensions, the barrier is much higher than the near side. This is evident with the fact Bb had to cut through imaginary number space to even reach the barrier, which the imaginary number space isn’t part of the regions that the core observes from a higher dimensional perspective.

 

[Ubdon]

simon > gil and dante

actually true

 

[Ubdon]

damn gil vs dante when-

gonna be a lot cursed matches if 9d got accepted

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

This was accepted a while back, but wasn't it a mistranslation or something? Only referring to layers rather than actual spatial dimensions?

Stop derailing bro

Being stated to be higher dimensional doesn’t imply it is higher dimensional to the highest scaling structure thus far. That’s just not how speaking works.

The baseless skepticism has already been addressed idk why people still argue in this thread we're just restating the same thing

The problem with this line of reasoning is that the reason you guys are attributing the higher dimensional status to the core is by using the higher dimensional statement by Rani paired with its higher perspective nature. Because it’s very likely those two things are related. The reason for this was, as others have given, is that Bb obtained this higher dimensional perspective over the record universes by merging with said core. The main problem with that is the 8d scaling for the moon cell is not via the near side or the observable universes. It’s specifically the barrier than cuts through 8 dimensions. And we don’t really have proof that the core is able to view the barrier itself from the higher dimensional perspective it views the record universe as. You can’t argue that it would bc it “views the whole moon cell” due to the fact the far side is unobservable by the core.
Actually it’s even harder to say that the observable universes or near side would scale to 8d when you consider the first scan you sent “the barrier surrounding the core is unreachable”
Implying that, even if it wasn’t a difference of dimensions, the barrier is much higher than the near side. This is evident with the fact Bb had to cut through imaginary number space to even reach the barrier, which the imaginary number space isn’t part of the regions that the core observes from a higher dimensional perspective

I don't understand how this refutes anything that I said but go off

both cannot be observed by the laws of physics, only the far side of the moon cannot be observed or interacted with by the laws of physics, the far side of the moon is in a higher dimension like the core, but the problem here is, and the part I don't understand is, is the far side of the moon over the barrier? dimensional? Or on the core? If the core alone makes all 4 regions 9D, the number of imaginary spaces should be 10D, but this creates a contradiction, so I am still waiting for the site admins to read and interpret this scale, as it will be either 9D or 10D, probably 9D, related to the structure of the mooncell

10D is absolutely incoherent but I still agree with 9D but again the thread isn't even productive it should either be accepted, rejected or just closed this is seriously getting annoying just restating the same things over and over again baseless skepticism vs inductively appealing arguments and the person who uses baseless skepticism doesn't even understand why providing inductively appealing arguments through basis of probability supersedes baseless skepticism and is inept when it comes to comprehending basic basic principles of formal logic

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

Is thread rejected, accepted if it's neither just close it there's no reason to continue arguing if we restate the same thing like I said this isn't productive I see more people agreeing with 9D but the lack of mods makes the thread damn near impossible to be productive

 

[Iiliminal]

tenchi muyo? isn't this universe 20D?

yea void shiki slams

 

[Strife304]

This just became so messy. Anyways, I'm changing my vote to disagree with all of it since the op can't properly substantiate 9-Dーlet alone 10-D, of 11-D.

 

[Iiliminal]

world (low 1-a) < throne of heroes (1-a) < root (high 1-a)

 

[1Nairove]

Is thread rejected, accepted if it's neither just close it there's no reason to continue arguing if we restate the same thing like I said this isn't productive I see more people agreeing with 9D but the lack of mods makes the thread damn near impossible to be productive

believe me, it has started to be very annoying for me too, I don't want to open another revision before this revision is finished, I am still waiting for admins to look at the message wall

 

[1Nairove]

world (low 1-a) < throne of heroes (1-a) < root (high 1-a)

Well, I have arguments for the throne of heroes that could really be 1A hehehehe

 

[Iiliminal]

Well, I have arguments for the throne of heroes that could really be 1A hehehehe

 

[1Nairove]

 

[Ubdon]

Well, I have arguments for the throne of heroes that could really be 1A hehehehe

please don't

 

[Iiliminal]

1-A artoria

 

[Ubdon]

1-A artoria

Worse

1-A Shinji if he became servant

 

[1Nairove]

please don't

bro site also outer gods said that even if you saw that the throne of 1A heroes in my opinion won't be a problem

 

[1Nairove]

1-A artoria

no no just no servant who will make the structure 1A is not even close to this level

 

[Ubdon]

bro site also outer gods said that even if you saw that the throne of 1A heroes in my opinion won't be a problem

sorry what

 

[1Nairove]

sorry what

I'm talking about 1A outer gods crt

 

[Ubdon]

I'm talking about 1A outer gods crt

it's rejected

 

[Iiliminal]

Worse

1-A Shinji if he became servant

ngl shinji solos fiction

 

[1Nairove]

it's rejected

yes i know, the thing is if someone open 1A crt for outer Gods i think i can open crt for 1A heroes throne too, at least i will try my luck like this crt

 

[Regidian]

You guy really like to derail huh...

 

[Ubdon]

You guy really like to derail huh...

This crt became joke enough

 

[Migue79]

I’m just gonna go ahead and unfollow this with all the derailing…

 

[MaxLevel_King]

Since my CRT was closed, I've made a general discussion thread instead; https://vsbattles.com/threads/servant-scaling-moon-cell-discussion.148965/

 

[1Nairove]

I’m just gonna go ahead and unfollow this with all the derailing…

still waiting for admins to review this crt

 

[Maxeez]

Yeah just stop derailing and getting off topic. I'm asking everyone to not respond to this anymore and let staff members evaluate the OP (at least the 9-D stuff).

 

[Georredannea15]

This crt became joke enough

You cannot close the revision before any mod or administrator comes.

 

[Ubdon]

You cannot close the revision before any mod or administrator comes.

ik that

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Alright, can someone please summarize all the arguments that happened? Because there's 3 pages and 270+ posts here, and I really don't know if I can afford to read all of this.

 

[1Nairove]

Alright, can someone please summarize all the arguments that happened? Because there's 3 pages and 270+ posts here, and I really don't know if I can afford to read all of this.

Well, for Mooncell, 11D was rotten, but most people argued that 9D would be accepted, if I summarize the scale briefly, the core for the 8D barrier is higher in size, which indirectly gives it 9D. Read the scale at the beginning of the CRT for evidence.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Hmm. I'm not too sure on that, honestly. While it could mean it's a higher dimension than anything inside, nothing would stop it from being higher dimensional in the same scale as, say, the 8 dimensions that exist inside it. If they said it's core is "on a higher dimension than the world inside the MoonCell", or similar things. It's a little vague.

Also, just to shut down this really weird argument that people seem to have: the MoonCell layers and the dimensions BB talks about in that scene are different, if not for the very obvious fact that the MoonCell only has 7 layers and BB is talking about 8 dimensions, I asked a friend who knows japanese to translate that scan and he got

"A completely circular Spiritron Barrier that cuts up to the 8th dimension"

And yes, まで as in "up to" the 8th dimension. So it's pretty clearly talking about spatial dimensions.

 

[Ubdon]

Alright, can someone please summarize all the arguments that happened? Because there's 3 pages and 270+ posts here, and I really don't know if I can afford to read all of this.

11 and 10d failed

9d some agrees

point: moon cell core called unreachable and higher dimensional

counter arguments: it didn't say that it's higher dimension to 8d so higher in 8d or similar

 

[1Nairove]

Hmm. I'm not too sure on that, honestly. While it could mean it's a higher dimension than anything inside, nothing would stop it from being higher dimensional in the same scale as, say, the 8 dimensions that exist inside it. If they said it's core is "on a higher dimension than the world inside the MoonCell", or similar things. It's a little vague.

Also, just to shut down this really weird argument that people seem to have: the MoonCell layers and the dimensions BB talks about in that scene are different, if not for the very obvious fact that the MoonCell only has 7 layers and BB is talking about 8 dimensions, I asked a friend who knows japanese to translate that scan and he got


And yes, まで as in "up to" the 8th dimension. So it's pretty clearly talking about spatial dimensions.

Isn't Mooncell itself 8D thanks to the barrier? and the core is the special building block of this region, so saying that the core is higher dimensional doesn't directly mean higher dimensional than 8th Dimension? anything in it will still be for the 8D and that should pave the way for the core 9D anyway, right?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

The barrier itself is not the source of 8-D. As it cuts up to the 8th dimension, it means that the Moon Cell contains 8 spatial dimensions inside of itself. As the characters say it, it could simply mean it's an existence in the same level as said 8th dimension. It's somewhat vague, after all.

 

[1Nairove]

The barrier itself is not the source of 8-D. As it cuts up to the 8th dimension, it means that the Moon Cell contains 8 spatial dimensions inside of itself. As the characters say it, it could simply mean it's an existence in the same level as said 8th dimension. It's somewhat vague, after all.

so the mooncell is obviously not just 8 Dimensions It's made up of 8 dimensions thanks to the 8 spatial dimensions, but still I couldn't see any counter arguments, worst case scenario, can we treat it as "possibly"?

 

[Georredannea15]

The barrier itself is not the source of 8-D. As it cuts up to the 8th dimension, it means that the Moon Cell contains 8 spatial dimensions inside of itself. As the characters say it, it could simply mean it's an existence in the same level as said 8th dimension. It's somewhat vague, after all.

As far as I know it contains the barrier and core 8D(wıth barrier). If that's true, 9D seems good