Mooncell High 1C Revision

[MaxLevel_King]

The scaling of servant to moon cell and etc is a thing already accepting and as such it would be good if you don't talk about it here.

Fair enough. I'll consider making a CRT on this subject then.

 

[inkownn]

That's not hyperbole. She is literally the sun but deified. It's stated that unlike the Divine Spirits on Earth, she belongs to the Universe. As for the consistent 1-C feats, they're consistent within the confines of the Moon Cell. The reality of the Moon Cell doesn't operate the same way that the reality of Earth's texture does.

Is there evidence that this operation would artificially inflate someone’s ap? Or something along those lines?

 

[Regidian]

You still aren’t attacking what I’m saying. It doesn’t matter if the entire moon cell is 8d because there’s still no evidence that when Rani says “higher dimensional” she’s talking about it being higher dimensional to the moon cell.

For this, the core is litteraly what is operating the moon cell. If the talk from rani come after their knowledge about the 8 dimmension, then telling that the core is a higher dimmensionnal existance, would logicaly be to compare with the number of dimmension we know which is 8.

 

[1Nairove]

You still aren’t attacking what I’m saying. It doesn’t matter if the entire moon cell is 8d because there’s still no evidence that when Rani says “higher dimensional” she’s talking about it being higher dimensional to the moon cell.

bro these conversations have already been made for mooncell I still don't understand what you're advocating

 

[inkownn]

For this, the core is litteraly what is operating the moon cell. If the talk about from rani come after their knowledge about the 8 dimmension, then telling that the core is a higher dimmensionnal existance, would logicaly be to compare with the number of dimmension we know which is 8.

You’re still missing a huge part of what you need to prove. Sure Rani knows about the 8d moon cell. But the moon cell being 8d means the moon cell is “higher dimensional” so it also, like what Rani described the core as, higher dimensional. The thing you NEED to prove is that when Rani says “higher dimensional” she is referring to being above the moon cell. Otherwise she could easily just be talking about how the core has more than 4 dimensions. And operating an 8d structure doesn’t mean you are 9d or anything like that either. So idek why that first sentence needed to be added.

 

[Regidian]

Anyways i'm neutral, too lazy to think to much

 

[inkownn]

bro these conversations have already been made for mooncell I still don't understand what you're advocating

I’m not disagreeing with the 8d Mooncell.

I am disagreeing with your interpretation of Rani’s statement.

you are saying she is saying that the core is higher dimensional to the moon ceel

I am saying that she isn’t necessarily saying that, she could just mean that the core has more than 4 dimensions. Bc that’s what the phrase “higher dimensional” means

 

[Regidian]

You’re still missing a huge part of what you need to prove. Sure Rani knows about the 8d moon cell. But the moon cell being 8d means the moon cell is “higher dimensional” so it also, like what Rani described the core as, higher dimensional. The thing you NEED to prove is that when Rani says “higher dimensional” she is referring to being above the moon cell. Otherwise she could easily just be talking about how the core has more than 4 dimensions. And operating an 8d structure doesn’t mean you are 9d or anything like that either. So idek why that first sentence needed to be added.

You don't understand basic logic. We tell that 4 dimmension is higher dimmensional because we are a 3D structure.

If we are inside 8D structure and we know it, telling about a higher dimmension would obviously not be about a lower dimmension than we are.

 

[RaveeCPN]

bro these conversations have already been made for mooncell I still don't understand what you're advocating

What he is saying is that when the core is referred to as higher dimensional, you have to prove that the core is referred to as higher dimensional than the barriers. If you cannot prove that, then it can refer to any dimension higher than 4D. This is something very simple

 

[Regidian]

What he is saying is that when the core is referred to as higher dimensional, you have to prove that the core is referred to as higher dimensional than the barriers. If you cannot prove that, then it can refer to any dimension higher than 4D. This is something very simple

The logic is weird.

If i'm in 247 dimmension structure, i see a object that work as his core and i tell this object is higher dimmensionnal. I don't tell that the object is 4D.

 

[RaveeCPN]

If we are inside 8D structure and we know it, telling about a higher dimmension would obviously not be about a lower dimmension than we are.

Was Rani in this 8-dimensional thing when this was said? If not, it is not enough just to know how many dimensions it has.

 

[1Nairove]

What he is saying is that when the core is referred to as higher dimensional, you have to prove that the core is referred to as higher dimensional than the barriers. If you cannot prove that, then it can refer to any dimension higher than 4D. This is something very simple

I've already done that, but our friend 8D He doesn't even believe it, I can't do anything about it

 

[inkownn]

You don't understand basic logic. We tell that 4 dimmension is higher dimmensional because we are a 3D structure.

If we are inside 8D structure and we know it, telling about a higher dimmension would obviously not be about a lower dimmension than we are.

You are assuming that Rani only knows about the moon cell. She doesn’t. She knows the moon cell is irregular with its 8d existence. The moon cell is called higher dimensional in the past by people within the moon cell. So it’s clear that everyone knows that the moon cell is of higher order to the basic three dimensions. And then even within the moon cell they say it’s of higher order. Just because Rani is inside the moon cell and says the term “higher dimensional” doesn’t at all mean that she is saying it is higher than the moon cell. If we applied this logic than characters saying the moon cell is “higher dimensional” while they are inside the moon cell would be contradictory and cause a paradox (as they would be saying the moon cell is higher than itself)
To make the assumption that Rani is referring to being higher order to the moon cell simply because she was currently inside the moon cell at the time is an absurd assumption. Especially since she knows the moon cell is irregular and therefore wouldn’t use it as a reference without stating that she is.

 

[inkownn]

The logic is weird.

If i'm in 247 dimmension structure, i see an object that work as his core and i tell this object is higher dimmensionnal. I don't tell that the object is 4D.

You could actually. Because 247 dimensions are irregular. So using the loose term “higher dimensional” to say something is higher than the structure you are within would be very confusing and an error on your part. Which someone like Rani would clarify

 

[inkownn]

I've already done that, but our friend 8D He doesn't even believe it, I can't do anything about it

you most certainly have not done that

 

[Regidian]

You are assuming that Rani only knows about the moon cell. She doesn’t. She knows the moon cell is irregular with its 8d existence. The moon cell is called higher dimensional in the past by people within the moon cell. So it’s clear that everyone knows that the moon cell is of higher order to the basic three dimensions. And then even within the moon cell they say it’s of higher order. Just because Rani is inside the moon cell and says the term “higher dimensional” doesn’t at all mean that she is saying it is higher than the moon cell. If we applied this logic than characters saying the moon cell is “higher dimensional” while they are inside the moon cell would be contradictory and cause a paradox (as they would be saying the moon cell is higher than itself)
To make the assumption that Rani is referring to being higher order to the moon cell simply because she was currently inside the moon cell at the time is an absurd assumption. Especially since she knows the moon cell is irregular and therefore wouldn’t use it as a reference without stating that she is.

I'm not assuming she only know about it.

The moon cell by itself is not really called higher dimmension by itself (it's core is/far side is) but not moon cell. We know about the 8D dimmension that the barrier cut through with BB. We know with rani and rin that when BB merged with moon cell she gain power from a higher dimmension perspective and see thing as a scroll etc.

Except we know she can bypass the barrier that have 8D feat without that.

It's obligatory mean that the higher dimmensionnal they talk is higher than the barrier.

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

there is another place you missed, the far side of the moon is in a higher dimension like the core, can we give 10D from here?

I can't say so for sure because the far side of the mooncell being 9D has next to no basis other than being called higher dimensional

Many of these scaled characters have a plethora of feats outside of the Moon Cell that aren't remotely comparable to 1-C. They shouldn't scale to anything done in the Moon Cell as the Moon Cell operates under special circumstances that don't correlate with normal reality. On top of that, Amaterasu was stated to be the strongest being in Extra (stronger than BB and Kiara), and her power level is only equivalent to the Sun (as the deification of the Sun). The strongest being in Extra is only 4-C, and no other characters in Extra compare to her in power (except obviously 9-Tailed Tamamo and Arcueid), so almost no characters should scale to 1-C. Characters like BB and Kiara should only be considered 1-C under the special circumstances of the Moon Cell, and any servants that scale to them shouldn't be treated as 1-C outside of the Moon Cell.

Oh dear God not this again this argument would die if people accepted that something that's star level in the nasuverse is not normally star level lmao the moon literally contains the mooncell the same thing you agree that is 1-C stop this nonsense karna could negate the mooncell using his amor imbued wit authority of the sun

If you're saying amatarasu is star level because her power is compared to the sun and yet say the mooncell is 1-C even when compared to the moon because it exists in the moon I'd probably give your argument much thought but you say the mooncell is 1-C but something that's star level like amatarasu is not even tho it's directly demonstrated in ccc
Sun's authority>authority of the moon/mooncell

Therefore using her being star level as an example for prove point is just honestly dumb

 

[Regidian]

You could actually. Because 247 dimensions are irregular. So using the loose term “higher dimensional” to say something is higher than the structure you are within would be very confusing and an error on your part. Which someone like Rani would clarify

How would be this confusing if it's the core that created this structure? Except if you reach that the 4D can create 247D

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

Considering that everything in the mooncell aside from its core (imaginary number of space and the 8th dimensional wall) is regarded as nothing but an "additional" memory of the core itself and the core itself is the one thing that is capable of managing the moon itself, observing earth and acting as the holy grail itself to provide winners of the holy grail war within the mooncell the wishes they desire I think that and the higher dimensional existence statement would be enough to make it 9 dimensional

Also BB could break the 8th dimensional wall but having reached the mooncell and becoming one with it and the holy grail/the core itself it was only then that everyone within the school lost hope in fighting against her prior to the mythological mystic code amps

Like I said narrative consistency attests for the mooncell (the core atleast) to be 9D I haven't seen any solid refutation aside from skepticism which is already disregarded as I explained due to narrative consistency which works for me (preponderance of evidence) anything else

 

[inkownn]

I'm not assuming she only know about it.

The moon cell by itself is not really called higher dimmension by itself (it's core is/far side is) but not moon cell. We know about the 8D dimmension that the barrier cut through with BB. We know with rani and rin that when BB merged with moon cell she gain power from a higher dimmension perspective and see thing as a scroll etc.

Except we know she can bypass the barrier that have 8D feat without that.

It's obligatory mean that the higher dimmensionnal they talk is higher than the barrier.

It isn’t obligatory at all. I’ve already told you that just because someone is inside the structure doesn’t mean everything they say has to refer to that structure. I can be inside the Empire State Building and say “yeah my house is big” I’m definitely trying to say my house is big, but I’m not at all attempting to compare it with the Empire State Building. Being “higher dimensional” is a term in its own right that is constantly used to define dimensions beyond the standard 3D space and 1d time. The only way your thing works is if the term “higher dimensional” is used to extend from the moon cell. In which that needs to be elaborated upon like, “the core is of a higher dimensional existence to the moon cell”

 

[inkownn]

How would be this confusing if it's the core that created this structure? Except if you reach that the 4D can create 247D

Uh? Anything above 4d also includes 247d. So if you wanna scale it to 247d that’s fine. It stills works in this case. You can’t assume it’s 248

 

[inkownn]

Y

Like I said narrative consistency attests for the mooncell (the core atleast) to be 9D I haven't seen any solid refutation aside from skepticism which is already disregarded as I explained due to narrative consistency which works for me (preponderance of evidence) anything else

You explained the narrative debunking anything higher than 9d. You haven’t made a point regarding why the core is above the 8d regions of the moon cell. Also, the scan shown can be interpreted about three different ways. The creator is the thread isn’t allowed to assume that his interpretation is absolute here.

 

[Regidian]

It isn’t obligatory at all. I’ve already told you that just because someone is inside the structure doesn’t mean everything they say has to refer to that structure. I can be inside the Empire State Building and say “yeah my house is big” I’m definitely trying to say my house is big, but I’m not at all attempting to compare it with the Empire State Building. Being “higher dimensional” is a term in its own right that is constantly used to define dimensions beyond the standard 3D space and 1d time. The only way your thing works is if the term “higher dimensional” is used to extend from the moon cell. In which that needs to be elaborated upon like, “the core is of a higher dimensional existence to the moon cell”

It mean? Why BB who is already capable of 8D feat, would be able suddenly to have higher dimmension persective and r/f thing after merging with the core.

You basicaly tell that her evolving and gaining a higher dimmension sense compared to her previous feat(who are 8D) is still 8D

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

BB's breasts > tier system

passionlip>

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

What he is saying is that when the core is referred to as higher dimensional, you have to prove that the core is referred to as higher dimensional than the barriers. If you cannot prove that, then it can refer to any dimension higher than 4D. This is something very simple

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Why is this even significant people are making this harder than it should everything within the mooncell is part of the the core itself and the core manages everything within it even the entire moon that which all of those higher dimensional places exist in.

It is even said that all the layers of the mooncell are just an additional memory of the core itself how would the core manage a 8 dimensional construct and have that as nothing but an addition making up part of it's existence lead you to a conclusion that the core is lower than 8 dimensional that is just absolutely deductively invalid doesn't make sense

 

[inkownn]

It mean? Why BB who is already capable of 8D feat, would be able suddenly to have higher dimmension persective and r/f thing after merging with the core.

You basicaly tell that her evolving and gaining a higher dimmension sense compared to her previous feat(who are 8D) is still 8D

Likely bc the core is the source? And therefore until she actually merged with the source she didn’t have the ability. Also the “higher dimensional perspective” watches over all possibilities, which are 5d iirc. If we are arguing she gets the HDP the second she gets to the higher dimension then she would’ve had it when she wasn’t merged. It’s clear that the merging with the core didn’t up her existence to a higher dimension, it just granted her the ability to see the lower dimensions in all

 

[Ubdon]

passionlip>

kingprotea amaterasu and tiamat>

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

You explained the narrative debunking anything higher than 9d. You haven’t made a point regarding why the core is above the 8d regions of the moon cell.

-ignores the point

concludes I haven't made a point

Brother in christ you're hard to deal with even after all of these years

scan shown can be interpreted about three different ways. The creator is the thread isn’t allowed to assume that his interpretation is absolute here

Nobody is assuming anything but for the record lol if two interpretations are presented one being completely baseless while the other one has some form of basis and infact a inductive valid appeal the one that's baseless such as yours which is predicated from nothing but skepticism that which has more basis should be taken into account more so than that which has no basis it doesn't have to be absolute

 

[Regidian]

Likely bc the core is the source? And therefore until she actually merged with the source she didn’t have the ability. Also the “higher dimensional perspective” watches over all possibilities, which are 5d iirc. If we are arguing she gets the HDP the second she gets to the higher dimension then she would’ve had it when she wasn’t merged. It’s clear that the merging with the core didn’t up her existence to a higher dimension, it just granted her the ability to see the lower dimensions in all

She had already the 8D feat before merging so their no she didn't had the ability,

 

[inkownn]

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Why is this even significant people are making this harder than it should everything within the mooncell is part of the the core itself and the core manages everything within it even the entire moon that which all of those higher dimensional places exist in.

It is even said that all the layers of the mooncell are just an additional memory of the core itself how would the core manage a 8 dimensional construct and have that as nothing but an addition making up part of it's existence lead you to a conclusion that the core is lower than 8 dimensional that is just absolutely deductively invalid doesn't make sense

We did not say the core is lower than 8d. We say that the statement “higher dimensional” simply means any dimensions higher than 4d. You can argue it is 8d off of what you just said, being able to project an 8d barrier. And I’m sure you know an 8d existence can manage lower 8d structures. You don’t need to be a higher dimension to the things you source. The moon cell contains a bunch of data that includes all sorts of dimensions. The barrier in specific is the thing that is 8d, and why the core would set a lower dimensional barrier for it is confusing.

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

Nobody is ready to sit in this thread and argue against some infinite regress baseless skepticism it's not productive I already explained my points predicated from narrative consistency you chose to ignore that and act like you didn't by saying "oh you didn't prove anything"

 

[inkownn]

She had already the 8D feat before merging so their no she didn't had the ability,

exactly my point. She had the 8d feat and didn’t have the ability to observe lower dimensions. So the ability isn’t based on obtaining the higher dimension. It’s just a hax given via merging with core

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

She had already the 8D feat before merging so their no she didn't had the ability

That's literally what I said

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

exactly my point. She had the 8d feat and didn’t have the ability to observe lower dimensions

What?

 

[RaveeCPN]

It is even said that all the layers of the mooncell are just an additional memory of the core itself how would the core manage a 8 dimensional construct and have that as nothing but an addition making up part of it's existence lead you to a conclusion that the core is lower than 8 dimensional that is just absolutely deductively invalid doesn't make sense

I didn't say the core is lower then 8D, I just said it's not enough to make it 9D.

Anyway, I don't plan to write anything more

 

[inkownn]

Nobody is ready to sit in this thread and argue against some infinite regress baseless skepticism it's not productive I already explained my points predicated from narrative consistency you chose to ignore that and act like you didn't by saying "oh you didn't prove anything"

I don’t really care if that’s what YOU believe. You can say it’s baseless, you can say I ignored your points. In the end that’s gonna be your opinion. This message is completely unnecessary

 

[Regidian]

And even in term of scenario their not point for rani to tell that the core is a higher dimmensional existance to basically tell that it's equal to the rest of moon cell since we already knew that it was higher dimmensionnal.

"Oh the core is a higher dimmensionnal existance like the rest of moon cell, that we already know is a higher dimmensionnal existance."

 

[inkownn]

-ignores the point

Brother in christ you're hard to deal with even after all of these years

Nobody is assuming anything but for the record lol if two interpretations are presented one being completely baseless while the other one has some form of basis and infact a inductive valid appeal the one that's baseless such as yours which is predicated from nothing but skepticism that which has more basis should be taken into account more so than that which has no basis it doesn't have to be absolute

False dichotomy much? Your interpretation doesn’t have enough base due to the existence of others. The interpretation in this thread is entirely based on it being the only one. Bc all the “narrative implications” don’t necessarily have to be true.

 

[MaxLevel_King]

Is there evidence that this operation would artificially inflate someone’s ap? Or something along those lines?

From what I understand, the 1C scaling comes from the Mythological Mystic Code Servants (Nero, Tamamo, Nameless, Gilgamesh) scaling to BB, and the rest of the servants scaling to them. Since the more powerful servants are usually nerfed by their servant containers, a servant's true power is being scaled to their Mythological Mystic Code counterpart. However, the Mythological Mystic Code is exclusive to the Moon Cell for one, and for two, it doesn't awaken the power that the servants had in life, but the latent potential of their origin concept. Their origin concept is vastly superior to their living self. Even then, the Mythological Mystic Code servants barely stood a chance against BB. These same MMC servants are vastly stronger than the other Moon Cell servants.

IE: Moon Cell Servants only scale to 1C because Mythological Mystic Code servants scale to BB and the rest of the Moon Cell Servants scale to them. Regular Servants scale to Moon Cell Servants because Regular Servants are nerfed by their Servant container and Mythological Mystic Code Servants are awakened to their true power. However, the Mythological Mystic Code is exclusive to the Moon Cell and it awakens the power of a Servant's origin concept, which is vastly superior to their living self. Said MMC Servants barely had a chance against BB, and regular Moon Cell Servants don't stand a chance against them. On top of that, with the Moon Cell being a simulation of reality, loopholes and bugs exist. Furthermore, BB and Kiara don't have 1C durability, they simply possess 1C hax.

 

[inkownn]

That's literally what I said ?

I’m telling you that this reasoning for why the core is higher dimensional is just wrong. Bc Bb has shown higher dimensional feats but not the ability to see lower dimensions in a universal scale. So this means the obtaining higher dimensionality isn’t what gives you the HDP.