Monkey vs Dragon (Son Goku (Toei) VS Ryong) GRACE

[M2u12]

Goku profile https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Son_Goku_(Toei)

Ryong profile https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryong

battle info

• 3-C Ryong is used
• Early Cell Arc Goku is used
• Speed is equalized
• SBA

Ap/Dura:

• Ryong: 27.67 ZettaFoe
• Goku: 10.8076 ZettaFoe, up to 216.152 ZettaFoe with Kaioken x20, 540.38 ZettaFoe as a Super Saiyan

Who wins?

Ryong: @M2u12 @Pyro9278 @DavidTPPM @Yeolban @SeijiSetto @KikiideSu @Success0906
Goku: @Ebihara @CBslayeR @Shar122
Inconclusive:

(This is my first time making Versus Threads, so please be Mercy if I make any mistakes )

 

[DavidTPPM]

So what's Gokus opening move? Ryong is a skill freak so he'll start with cqc

 

[SlendVeny]

So what's Gokus opening move? Ryong is a skill freak so he'll start with cqc

Probably melee

 

[DavidTPPM]

Probably melee

How likely/how soon would Goku resort to Kaioken or ssj? Given that Ryong starts with about a 2x advantage and likes to spam attacks similar to the blue dragons wave (which are high enough AP jumps to nearly one shot people relative to the user)

 

[TegamiBachi25]

So what's stopping him from stopping with dura neg? Since on his profile he dura negs the insides of his opponents

 

[SlendVeny]

How likely/how soon would Goku resort to Kaioken or ssj? Given that Ryong starts with about a 2x advantage and likes to spam attacks similar to the blue dragons wave (which are high enough AP jumps to nearly one shot people relative to the user)

Goku would go SSJ basically immediately if outclassed

 

[M2u12]

Probably melee

well, if we talk about cqc Ryong has a huge advantage. Ryong can basically copy whatever goku tries to do in h2h

and Ryong has Ultimate+Recoilless (amp), Recoilless alone can blitz and one-shot opponents even if their stats are equally and also has internal structure attacks.

 

[M2u12]

Goku would go SSJ basically immediately if outclassed

Goku was likely badly injured by Ryong attack before he could transform into Super Saiyan.

 

[DavidTPPM]

well, if we talk about cqc Ryong has a huge advantage. Ryong can basically copy whatever goku tries to do in h2h

To be fair Ryong barely uses mimicry in combat. His own skills are insane enough for him to not need to copy others

and Ryong has Ultimate+Recoilless (amp), Recoilless alone can blitz and one-shot opponents even if their stats are equally and also has internal structure attacks.

Yeah ultimate nothingness is a big issue since if Goku underestimates Ryong he could end up getting one shotted or badly wounded.

That being said Goku could one shot in ssj if Ryong isn't careful

 

[M2u12]

That being said Goku could one shot in ssj if Ryong isn't careful

I mean, Ryong has Information Analysis, so at the moment when goku is about to transform into super saiyan, Ryong could use Duplication to grab him and then spam attacks from both front and back of goku like he did to Daewi

+he has better AD than Daewi, Daewi can AD from tier 7 to tier 5 so it shouldn't be a problem +Immortality2 too

 

[M2u12]

ssj is still a problem but if Ryong is given time to AD, I think he will AD until he doesn't get one shot from Goku.

 

[M2u12]

For now, I can see this match going two ways:

1. If the match isn't intense from the start, I think Ryong will have enough time to AD to the point where even SSJ transformation would become meaningless.

2. If the match is intense from the beginning, Goku might badly injured from UNR (Ultimate Nothingness Recoilless). However, he might still manage to transform into Super Saiyan and possibly defeat Ryong, as Ryong wouldn’t have had much time to AD yet.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'm leaning more towards Ryong so far but I would like to see what DB supporters think first

 

[DavidTPPM]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

Goku can sense Ki, so of outclass he transform. After Namek Saga he never use Kaioken anymore except the time in Otherworld Tournament where he stack Kaioken x2 on top of SSJ against Pikkon

Goku was likely badly injured by Ryong attack before he could transform into Super Saiyan.

How?, When transform into Super Saiyan, he can creae explosive aura that also affect the surrounding enviroment and blast weaker opponents away. And Goku transform pretty fast at this point

And before someone jump in saying Goku will again holding back for fun, no this is Cell arc Goku, he gonna be serious, while he did holding back (not a lot) when fighting Cell, he still keep his power relatively to Cell cause he know Cell also isn't serious

I mean, Ryong has Information Analysis, so at the moment when goku is about to transform into super saiyan

His Info Analysis only analyze techinques, SSJ is biological transformation. Unless of course anyone can provide evidences that he can analyze biological transformation and even if he can, if Goku transform, qs i have said, it went very fast and the explosive aura gonna blow shit away before thing can get close

 

[DavidTPPM]

His Info Analysis only analyze techinques, SSJ is biological transformation.

I would say Ryong analyzing the power and mechanics behind an ability so complex it's usually impossible to copy is far more difficult than realizing "oh shit the guy who started glowing, gained an aura, and broke shit around him apart probably got stronger than he was before"

Goku transform, qs i have said, it went very fast and the explosive aura gonna blow shit away before thing can get close

I don’t think the aura will be that big of an issue. He can blow things away but Ryong will quickly catch up before he'll get significantly hurt.

 

[M2u12]

Oh, it looks like I misunderstand about Ryong Ap/Dura value, it should be 27.67 ZettaFoe not 21.03 ZettaFoe.

Can we continue this match? I mean, the value has only increased by 1.31× from before.

 

[Braking]

tee bee h i feel like goku's "holding back because he wants a good fight" being one of his weaknesses is very odd. Cause it genuinely depends on the situation and circumstances he is in.

If it was just a regular sparring match, sure. but considering that Ryong has the ap advantage AND can damage his insides, goku would take the first few hits and be like "damn this guy lowkey might pack me up if this goes for too long.", and go ssj instantly to try to end the fight right then and there.

Plus, unless Ryong's accelerated development is somewhat instant, i don't really see how he would survive a disintegrating Kamehameha or large ki blast that (mind you) is already over 3 times the required amount to one shot.

(replies might be late. )

 

[Vietthai96]

I would say Ryong analyzing the power and mechanics behind an ability so complex it's usually impossible to copy is far more difficult than realizing "oh shit the guy who started glowing, gained an aura, and broke shit around him apart probably got stronger than he was before"

Just because he can analyze complex fighting skills and shit mean he can analyze simple thing but of completely different nature. It is like i say A can analyze concept hax mean he can analyze info 2 hax despite concept and info being completely different. Of course he could probably realize it but that mostly after the transformation is nearly don, like, Goku just glow, his hair turn golden, his eyes turn green and done, accompany with explosive aura, sometime no aura at all and this is early cell arc where he has good mastery over the form

I don’t think the aura will be that big of an issue. He can blow things away but Ryong will quickly catch up before he'll get significantly hurt.

The thing is, it keep his opponent from approaching him while he transforming, also it do carry the destructive power of his Ki or in other word, AP, so if Ryong is close enough the Aura could vaporize him due to AP difference

 

[DavidTPPM]

Just because he can analyze complex fighting skills and shit mean he can analyze simple thing but of completely different nature. It is like i say A can analyze concept hax mean he can analyze info 2 hax despite concept and info being completely different.

No that's not similar at all? You're comparing Goku screaming, suddenly glowing, and gaining a destructive aura to something as complex as concept hax.

That's like saying Einstein wouldn't be able to tell the Hulk is stronger than Bruce Banner.

The thing is, it keep his opponent from approaching him while he transforming, also it do carry the destructive power of his Ki

I mean sure but Ryong has long range options and could just burst Gokus eardrums while he's transforming

Unless Ryong's accelerated development is somewhat instant, i don't really see how he would survive a disintegrating Kamehameha or large ki blast that (mind you) is already over 3 times the required amount to one shot.

Ryong could pretty much instantly go from getting perception blitzed to blitzing the opponent the moment he noticed they got stronger/faster.

So it's not instant in the way that the fight starts and boom Ryong is 4838x stronger than he was a second ago, but it's essentially instant reactively

 

[Success0906]

You guys are gonna give me a stroke.

 

[Ebihara]

I am leaning towards goku transform basically right away and one shots being the more likely. put down for goku

 

[DavidTPPM]

Is AP Gokus only win con here? Because if so I'd say Ryong just dodges and ADs until it's not an issue anymore. Worst case scenario he'll lose a limb or something but that's not a super big issue thanks to his type 2 immortality and cloning which can divert the attention from him

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

With that Multi Stellar LS it would honestly be stupid for Goku to even get close if ask you me, but he can easily zip around the area with IT, and hit Ryong with a Kamehameha.

And Goku Massively outranges

 

[azontr]

With that Multi Stellar LS it would honestly be stupid for Goku to even get close if ask you me

To us yeah, it would be, but Goku wouldn't know this.

 

[CBslayeR]

if goku gets grappled he can just flare his aura and vaporize him

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

What slayer said

 

[azontr]

Then it's not necessarily stupid for Goku to get close then is it

 

[CBslayeR]

also the person Ryong fought that triggered his AD was against a person who seemingly couldn't really hurt him that well, he was kinda just faster


Goku on the other hand even with speed equal, when he goes SSJ he's gonna be 50x stronger and 50x faster, which is likely a bigger gap in stats than anything Ryong's had to AD before, he likely gets blitzed and oneshot before he can get anything meaningful off it




Voting Goku

 

[azontr]

which is likely a bigger gap in stats than anything Ryong's had to AD before

Not really, no. Daewi's AD allows him to jump from Low 7-B to Low 5-B, and Ryong's AD is better than his. Speed's a different argument all-together but a 50x stat gap is basically peanuts if Ryong is given even a moment or two to grow.

 

[DavidTPPM]

also the person Ryong fought that triggered his AD was against a person who seemingly couldn't really hurt him that well, he was kinda just faster

That was Daewi who can jump from low 7-B to low 5-B mid fight and has AD relative to Mira who did the same. They can also keep up with Mujin and Mori (at least to some extent) who can jump by hundreds of thousands of times nearly instantly.

So either his durability upscales above his 3-C value by so much even the AD didn't make up for it, or he just AD'd above Daewis AP that fast.

And like Ryong himself says he can "evolve faster" than Daewi

 

[M2u12]

Oh, I just woke up, what the heck happened? Anyway, let me edit Ryong's value first.

 

[M2u12]

If anyone is wondering how much one-shot capability Ultimate Nothingness Recoilless has

For example, Recoilless can Tore the Armorsuits even though Mori uses a weaker form like "Mori Dan", while the stronger form like "Mori Jin" can't damage the Armorsuits even with the Blue Dragon Kick, which has one-shot capability (If you're wondering why the Armorsuit looks Torn after got attack by Blue Dragon Kick, that's because it's in the middle of transforming into a full-body armor.)

And for Ultimate, Even if Oyama uses his BP to increase his power, it still cannot compare with Ultimate amp, and can blow Oyama BP arm, which has durability comparable to theirs.

Which "Ultimate Nothingness Recoilless" is Ultimate+Recoilless, so is like having a layer of one shot within the technique.

 

[M2u12]

And Daewi who has Dura 27.67 ZettaFoe (2.56× more than Goku) get his shoulder pulverized by Ultimate Nothingness Recoilless.

So if Ryong hits Goku Vital point, it pretty much game over for him.

 

[M2u12]

Now, I'm afraid this might turn out to be a stomp match

 

[M2u12]

I think I'd vote for Ryong for now, because of his ad, amp, skills, etc that can very much counter what goku will do

 

[M2u12]

Bump

 

[Success0906]

Next time, make Frieza vs Mori. That ought to be funny.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Next time, make Frieza vs Mori. That ought to be funny.

I was actually thinking about it a while ago since whole knowledge on Frieza is that he's racist to monkeys and that's exactly what Mori is

 

[M2u12]

Bump

(Should Goku start with Kaioken×10 or ×20 to prevent him from getting one-shot? )