Mob Psycho 100 upgrade

[NikHelton]

If the CGMs don't have a problem with it and its accepted that's fine by me


AH wait I didn't notice it uses pulverization already so scratch what I said below this is definitely fine

If you want to add a pulverization end though I'd recommend either striking through or deleting the other ends and putting [ACCEPTED] by the accepted value of the calc so it doesn't get confused but as I said prior if cgms don't see any problem with it the way it is then I'm cool with it myself considering how many calcs I do

The calculation must not only be approved by mathematics, but justified and accepted by users. I personally do not see any problems with my interpretation, but let's wait for the opinion of others

 

[Dalesean027]

Moving his friends at top speed? 10-20 people all at once? Why would Toichiro assume that Mob would take that kind of risk? Toichiro knows that Mob cares about his friends, he knows that Mob is fighting to protect them, so why would he believe Mob would needlessly endanger his friends by moving at hypersonic speeds which even the slightest mistake could result in them falling to their deaths or getting smashed to pulp by a wall or a mountain or some other obstacle?

Just wanted to comment on this bit, I find it very weird as an argument.

Where in Mob Psycho have we literally ever seen this be a concern or brought up like ever that any of the stronger characters fear moving people at high speeds would pose immediate danger to their lives or even then they'd have trouble flying like 10-20 people at most away from somewhere safely at high speeds.

Frankly this, in my honest opinion seems like a stretch and in some way your own headcanon for whatever reason as its not really based concretely in anything in the series, again in a series where average humans have been shown to be able to survive cratering walls or being forcefully thrown dozens of feet unscathed or with like a few scrapes. Like being real could you send any scan of someone of adequate skill and power in mob psycho being afraid of moving someone at high speeds not as an attack or anything but literally just moving them so your argument can have at least a scan or some precedent to stand on within this series specifically

Flying people away from blast zones are such a common thing in fiction so I'd like to where Mob Psycho makes the distinction that doing so would like result in people like being killed or falling out hitting obstacles or whatever

 

[Edutyn]

The calculation must not only be approved by mathematics, but justified and accepted by users. I personally do not see any problems with my interpretation, but let's wait for the opinion of others

I agree

 

[Nierre]

I've only read the first page of this CRT - I CBA to read all the pages.

What's been decided on using the anime vs using the manga? Or using both? And what's being discussed right now?

 

[Dalesean027]

I've only read the first page of this CRT - I CBA to read all the pages.

What's been decided on using the anime vs using the manga? Or using both? And what's being discussed right now?

Both are fine with being used and we're discussing Serizawa's 6-A feat and eventually need to tackle mogami's world

 

[Edutyn]

I've only read the first page of this CRT - I CBA to read all the pages.

What's been decided on using the anime vs using the manga? Or using both? And what's being discussed right now?

It's understandable.

It was decided that feats from the anime are allowed, partly because of ONE's artistic limitations and that he was involved in the development of the anime.

Currently, I think, the new Keys and changes are being decided, together with a previous calculation.

 

[NikHelton]

That’s not relevant to my argument.

You mean when he moved the car to the hideout where Reigen and the other Scars were? What proof is there that the car was moving at hypersonic speed? There was no time span for how long it took the car to get there or how far the hideout was. That’s an assumption.

Toichiro doesn’t know that. He assumed Reigen was just a regular human with regular weaknesses, and he knows the Scars are vastly weaker than he and Mob.

I’m not arguing the math. I envy those who can do these kinds of calculations, and I’m impressed by what you’ve done. I’m just saying the facts which the math is based off are flawed.

In the anime, the car went into the horizon in a couple of seconds, turning into a shining star.

Using math we got hypersonic speed


But we have also given a number of examples and translations that specifically refer to escaping from an explosion, and not literally running.

By the way, even if ordinary people moved a distance, starting from normal speed, the base 6-C Mob barrier would save them from the explosion. This is not a complete argument, but an interesting idea.

 

[NikHelton]

Both are fine with being used and we're discussing Serizawa's 6-A feat and eventually need to tackle mogami's world

Mogami's exploits were accepted but used as "possibly".
However, if we use Toichiro's High 6-A burst, then I think the feat in the Mogami World will be accepted directly. In any case, the fact that we have two feats of this category in the verse says something.

 

[Dalesean027]

Mogami's exploits were accepted but used as "possibly".
However, if we use Toichiro's High 6-A burst, then I think the feat in the Mogami World will be accepted directly. In any case, the fact that we have two feats of this category in the verse says something.

Yeah agreed that opens up much more precedent for that ouright removing the possibly

 

[NikHelton]

Both are fine with being used and we're discussing Serizawa's 6-A feat and eventually need to tackle mogami's world

Serizawa's strength would be 7-C. Strength 6-A. Will this be the strongest 7-C character?

 

[Nierre]

Both are fine with being used

It was decided that feats from the anime are allowed, partly because of ONE's artistic limitations and that he was involved in the development of the anime.

In the anime, the car went into the horizon in a couple of seconds, turning into a shining star.

Using math we got hypersonic speed

If both are fine with being used, then when do we determine which feats are being used?

Now, me personally I would just stick to one medium for feats, just because of consistency issues (IE the manga likely having far smaller scale feats due to art limitations, or the anime exaggerating and overblowing feats).

While I completely understand using the anime over the manga, I'd rather stick to the manga medium or at least make anime or manga profiles, but the Staff have already decided so that can't be helped. Also I doubt anyone wants to go through the trouble of making two profiles anyway lol

 

[NikHelton]

One is an excellent author, but subpar artist, getting anything from the original work is unreasonable imo. Anime is fine to use.

The Mogami feat though feels kinda iffy to me, been a while but pretty sure it was like in a dream, which wasn't even made out of real stuff.

High 6-A's calculation for Toichiro's explosion was accepted by the calculation team.
He believes that Mob would not be able to leave the affected area with his speed.

Previously, Plank69, CloverDragon03 and other users were hesitant to use melt, so it should be fine now.
A number of people have suggested using linear speed scaling.
What do you think?

 

[Dalesean027]

If both are fine with being used, then when do we determine which feats are being used?

Now, me personally I would just stick to one medium for feats, just because of consistency issues (IE the manga likely having far smaller scale feats due to art limitations, or the anime exaggerating and overblowing feats).

While I completely understand using the anime over the manga, I'd rather stick to the manga medium or at least make anime or manga profiles, but the Staff have already decided so that can't be helped. Also I doubt anyone wants to go through the trouble of making two profiles anyway lol

Well we already covered this stuff earlier soo opinion is definitely noted and respected but we're pretty solidly accepted to be able to use both

Serizawa's strength would be 7-C. Strength 6-A. Will this be the strongest 7-C character?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking

 

[Nierre]

Well we already covered this stuff earlier soo opinion is definitelynoted and respected but we're pretty solidly accepted to be able to use both

No, I'm asking when do we know when to use which medium? If Mob for example destroyed a town in both the anime and manga, then which one would we use and why?

I already know about what's been accepted, I'm not contending against said decision.

 

[NikHelton]

No, I'm asking when do we know when to use which medium? If Mob for example destroyed a town in both the anime and manga, then which one would we use and why?

I already know about what's been accepted, I'm not contending against said decision.

If the anime feat is more detailed and large-scale, then we use it

 

[NikHelton]

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking

If his AP scales to 7-C+ and his durability scales to 6-A, then characters of his level won't be able to penetrate him. Imba.

 

[Nierre]

If the anime feat is more detailed and large-scale, then we use it

And why is that? This response doesn't get to the root of the question.

If the manga's feat isn't clear, then I understand. But if it's calcable, but it's just not as pretty as the anime, then why would we use the anime?

 

[Dalesean027]

No, I'm asking when do we know when to use which medium? If Mob for example destroyed a town in both the anime and manga, then which one would we use and why?

I already know about what's been accepted, I'm not contending against said decision.

Anime primarily as these comments

Post in thread 'Mob Psycho 100 upgrade' https://vsbattles.com/threads/mob-psycho-100-upgrade.146840/post-5338856
"One is an excellent author, but subpar artist, getting anything from the original work is unreasonable imo. Anime is fine to use.

The Mogami feat though feels kinda iffy to me, been a while but pretty sure it was like in a dream, which wasn't even made out of real stuff"


Post in thread 'Mob Psycho 100 upgrade' https://vsbattles.com/threads/mob-psycho-100-upgrade.146840/post-5338924
"Like I've said, I'm of the mind that using the anime feats is fine. Unlike other mangas, not only does ONE'S art style make sizes and perspectives very inconsistent and hard to use, but we actually have the anime as an alternative for it, and a 1:1 adaptation of the feats with the only difference being the calculated values.

So if we are going to use anime feats primarily, count me in."

And regarding Mogami's world, personally I'm neutral towards its use. It can wait until after we settle the anime-manga feat issues.



Staff and user seem to have the same sorta thoughts

 

[NikHelton]

Anime primarily as these comments

Post in thread 'Mob Psycho 100 upgrade' https://vsbattles.com/threads/mob-psycho-100-upgrade.146840/post-5338856
"One is an excellent author, but subpar artist, getting anything from the original work is unreasonable imo. Anime is fine to use.

The Mogami feat though feels kinda iffy to me, been a while but pretty sure it was like in a dream, which wasn't even made out of real stuff"


Post in thread 'Mob Psycho 100 upgrade' https://vsbattles.com/threads/mob-psycho-100-upgrade.146840/post-5338924
"Like I've said, I'm of the mind that using the anime feats is fine. Unlike other mangas, not only does ONE'S art style make sizes and perspectives very inconsistent and hard to use, but we actually have the anime as an alternative for it, and a 1:1 adaptation of the feats with the only difference being the calculated values.

So if we are going to use anime feats primarily, count me in."

And regarding Mogami's world, personally I'm neutral towards its use. It can wait until after we settle the anime-manga feat issues.



Staff and user seem to have the same sorta thoughts

The use of anime and manga has already been decided.
All that's left is to figure out the scaling chain. However, with the new end of the feat, we need to reconsider the use of the Mogami feat

 

[Edutyn]

If his AP scales to 7-C+ and his durability scales to 6-A, then characters of his level won't be able to penetrate him. Imba.

In the REIGEN manga, there is a spirit (I don't remember its name) that manages to knock out Serizawa. Would that position it as 6-A?

And then Reigen takes the spirit away for a long time. Wouldn't that increase its durability?

 

[Nierre]

I still feel like the whole anime vs manga and when which should be used needs more direction and explanation. From what I saw, Staff literally just said they're fine with the anime because manga art is garbage, but someone also sent a feat from the anime that's completely different from the manga yet it's still being used.

Like if we're just gonna make an anime profile, then that's cool, but I think saying that we're using both is just a guise to cover the fact that not a single manga feat is being used (tmk), and nobody wants to find manga feats due to the feats being drastically lower than the anime.

 

[Edutyn]

I still feel like the whole anime vs manga and when which should be used needs more direction and explanation. From what I saw, Staff literally just said they're fine with the anime because manga art is garbage, but someone also sent a feat from the anime that's completely different from the manga yet it's still being used.

Like if we're just gonna make an anime profile, then that's cool, but I think saying that we're using both is just a guise to cover the fact that not a single manga feat is being used (tmk), and nobody wants to find manga feats due to the feats being drastically lower than the anime.

In fact, if some feats from the manga are used.

 

[NikHelton]

I still feel like the whole anime vs manga and when which should be used needs more direction and explanation. From what I saw, Staff literally just said they're fine with the anime because manga art is garbage, but someone also sent a feat from the anime that's completely different from the manga yet it's still being used.

Like if we're just gonna make an anime profile, then that's cool, but I think saying that we're using both is just a guise to cover the fact that not a single manga feat is being used (tmk), and nobody wants to find manga feats due to the feats being drastically lower than the anime.

We use a number of the manga's exploits for the 47th Division's pre-arc. Also the cloud feat is equivalent to the anime feat.

 

[Nierre]

In fact, if some feats from the manga are used.

Yeah I just checked that most of his profile is manga. But my point is that composite profiles aren't allowed, unless in specific cases (like Boruto I think), where it was explicitly stated that both iterations are canon, and they both reference each other in some arcs.

But this isn't the case.

Also the cloud feat is equivalent to the anime feat.

Could you explain what you mean here?

 

[NikHelton]

Yeah I just checked that most of his profile is manga. But my point is that composite profiles aren't allowed, unless in specific cases (like Boruto I think), where it was explicitly stated that both iterations are canon, and they both reference each other in some arcs.

But this isn't the case.

Could you explain what you mean here?

Clouds go the same way to the horizon in both manga and anime. The same kinetic energy

 

[Nierre]

So then why are we using the anime? Or are we using the manga for that feat?

 

[NikHelton]

So then why are we using the anime? Or are we using the manga for that feat?

For this feat, we are using an anime timeframe. As in the case of the last calculation with the Suzuki explosion

 

[Nierre]

For this feat, we are using an anime timeframe. As in the case of the last calculation with the Suzuki explosion

So we're using the manga feat but using the anime timeframe? Or are we just using the anime?

Sorry if I'm aggressive I'm just confused

 

[NikHelton]

So we're using the manga feat but using the anime timeframe? Or are we just using the anime?

Sorry if I'm aggressive I'm just confused

In this case, it doesn't matter at all.
But the same feat earthquake is based on the manga

 

[Nierre]

Ok thanks.


this is what happens when you don't read

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Just wanted to comment on this bit, I find it very weird as an argument.

Where in Mob Psycho have we literally ever seen this be a concern or brought up like ever that any of the stronger characters fear moving people at high speeds would pose immediate danger to their lives or even then they'd have trouble flying like 10-20 people at most away from somewhere safely at high speeds.

Frankly this, in my honest opinion seems like a stretch and in some way your own headcanon for whatever reason as its not really based concretely in anything in the series, again in a series where average humans have been shown to be able to survive cratering walls or being forcefully thrown dozens of feet unscathed or with like a few scrapes. Like being real could you send any scan of someone of adequate skill and power in mob psycho being afraid of moving someone at high speeds not as an attack or anything but literally just moving them so your argument can have at least a scan or some precedent to stand on within this series specifically

Flying people away from blast zones are such a common thing in fiction so I'd like to where Mob Psycho makes the distinction that doing so would like result in people like being killed or falling out hitting obstacles or whatever

This cover a good portion of what I wanted to say, like really the amount of assumptions needed to try to change the extremely simple line "you don't have time to run away from my big ass explosion" to "you can't escape my big ass explosion when running like a normal person with all your friends despite the fact that you can perfectly fly at hypersonic speed even while carrying others" is ridiculously.


About the anime feat talk, please stop with that, it was already accepted by more than 4-5 staffs (one more if counted the retired staff Dargoo who actively argued for that in the past and did calcs with the anime) after 2-3 pages of discussion, and this crt have already reached the 7 pages so please just apply the things and close this unnecessarily long thread.

 

[Nierre]

About the anime feat talk, please stop with that, it was already accepted by more than 4-5 staffs (one more if counted the retired staff Dargoo who actively argued for that in the past and did calcs with the anime) after 2-3 pages of discussion, and this crt have already reached the 7 pages so please just apply the things and close this unnecessarily long thread.

It was a question because I needed clarification, thank you Dalsean and Nik.

As I already stated earlier, I wasn't going to read 7 whole pages, so I asked for a TL;DR.

 

[Planck69]

If the High 6-A calculation, has no problem then I have no problem with it as well. Have the others agreed on linear backscaling for the general statistics (power, speed, lifting strength) from 100% Toichiro?

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

I give up. Can't wait for the next revision thread which addresses all the points I made or revises the calcs that were done.

 

[Dalesean027]

I give up. Can't wait for the next revision thread which addresses all the points I made or revises the calcs that were done.

We addressed your points you haven't even provided scans that support your argument in anyway for what you were saying for the average human running argument or whatever...

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Woah, can't believe we got High 6-A from something beside the Mogami world

Regardless it looks good, but I'd like to see a few more calc members opinions on it

 

[Planck69]

I give up. Can't wait for the next revision thread which addresses all the points I made or revises the calcs that were done.

We did and we found them to be mostly resolved or coming from a place of needless pedantry.

 

[NikHelton]

If the High 6-A calculation, has no problem then I have no problem with it as well. Have the others agreed on linear backscaling for the general statistics (power, speed, lifting strength) from 100% Toichiro?

Should we still label a feat in the Mogami World as possible? I mean we have an accepted High 6-A feat and it's not even a baseline.
Having two High 6-A keys is a little weird

 

[Planck69]

Should we still label a feat in the Mogami World as possible? I mean we have an accepted High 6-A feat and it's not even a baseline.
Having two High 6-A keys is a little weird

Mogami's is still in high contention for it's nature but now we have an actual High 6-A feat for support so.....huh.

I'm leaning on allowing it to scale to ???% and no one else maybe but we might honestly even discard it at this point.

 

[NikHelton]

Mogami's is still in high contention for it's nature but now we have an actual High 6-A feat for support so.....huh.

I'm leaning on allowing it to scale to ???% and no one else maybe but we might honestly even discard it at this point.

Let me remind you that many agreed with the direct scaling of the feat.
However, due to the lack of real-world counterparts to this feat, some had doubts.

Now that we have a supporting feat, we can scale this directly.