Minor Power Star Revision CRT

[OculoOmnibus]

Lore Dump​

I was lurking around the official Discord for the series, and Fyar (the guy in charge of the Reimagined series) dumped a lot of unknown lore he heard from D-Sun directly.

1. Sun's previous parody series, Super Mario All-Star Adventure, is canon to Power Star and Mario Combat. Episode 3 reveals the Boos, which possess people and make them evil. Not much really changes in relation to the scaling unless you assume Mario scales above the Banzai Bill in SP1 P1, but that's too much of a stretch.
2. Power Stars can revive people, it's how Peach came back to life after she died in SMASA.
3. Luigi destroyed his star to fight 3-Star Devil Mario, as it grants a huge increase in power for a brief time before wearing off.

I've only included the things that he confirmed were told to him by Sun himself.

Changes​

Power Stars​

• Resurrection (Can revive people from the dead)
• Enhanced Statistics Amplification (Star Destruction; Destroying a star can allow one to tap into all their power at once for a short period of time)

Devil Mario​

Mario​

• Fire Manipulation (Can throw fireballs)
• Limited Resistance to Possession, Mind Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (Mario alone could not be subdued by only a few Boos, requiring dozens of them to even remotely gain control)

Boos​

• Possession, Mind Manipulation, Madness Manipulation and Telepathy (The Boos turn anything they possess evil. Can possess dozens of Toads at once. The Boos were able to forcefully mind control Marioand instill orders into him to attain the Power Stars.)

All Power Stars​

I think his Fate Manipulation should be changed to "Possibly Fate Manipulation" since there's not too much evidence about him outright manipulating fate.

Other​

I'm having a hard time calculating the feats where Mario knocks Luigi into the Mushroom City tower and the giant city-affecting explosion he creates here. I'm not particularly skilled in angular calcs, so if anyone wants to tackle it (@TheShape03 is the only person I can think of that supports the verse), feel free.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Most of this looks good, though I've got a few problems with the profile and one of the suggestions:

All Power Stars​

I think his Fate Manipulation should be changed to "Possibly Fate Manipulation" since there's not too much evidence about him outright manipulating fate.

I think Fate Manip should be outright removed; nothing suggests he's actually manipulating fate in any kind of way that would suggest fate hax. "Determining something's fate" is a common expression in life-or-death situations, and in this case, Devil Mario is trying to bring about the destruction of the universe, Luigi wins and the universe is saved, (Hence its fate lies in his hands) Mario wins and it's doomed, no direct manipulation of fate required or suggested.

As for my own problems, getting the big one out of the way first, I'd also suggest a downgrade for Mario's last key based on D-SuN's statement of Devil Mario being unable to actually destroy all of reality and his description of the Boos' goal seemingly just referring to the universe being transformed into a state that only ghosts could survive in, (That would satisfy the fate of the universe statements without actually requiring Mario to have Universal AP, since the entire universe would be ruined and inhospitable, and by themselves "serious cosmic damage" doesn't mean much without context, Mario's aura doesn't have any showings of applying to his physical stats and Mario's own claim about wanting to bring the destruction of all creation also doesn't mean much when he never does so and WoG outright says he'd probably be incapable. Really all he's got is being far stronger than before and Tier 4 (Probably 4-A since he's manipulating a starry sky) levels of Enviornmental Destruction with his aura) ultimately none of the listed things together should justify a Universal rating

I also think his speed and LS for his last key should be downgraded as well, Mario himself doesn't display that kind of speed or power ever, and like I mentioned before, there's no kind of explanation or energy system that would suggest his physical stats scale to the abilities of his aura

And this is just a minor nitpick, but the 8-C feat Mario's second key is being scaled to only lists the explosion radius and doesn't have an actual value when that'd be pretty easy to calculate: (22.25^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = ~0.88527 Tons) idk if a lower pressure should be used since only the pillars in the background are destroyed, but it should be fine as is

 

[OculoOmnibus]

I think Fate Manip should be outright removed; nothing suggests he's actually manipulating fate in any kind of way that would suggest fate hax. "Determining something's fate" is a common expression in life-or-death situations, and in this case, Devil Mario is trying to bring about the destruction of the universe, Luigi wins and the universe is saved, (Hence its fate lies in his hands) Mario wins and it's doomed, no direct manipulation of fate required or suggested.

Fair point, Fate Hax does seem like a bit of a stretch. The only reason I think they were on the profiles is because the Newgrounds descriptions for Power Star 3 and Power Star 4 implied that whoever had the stars would determine the fate of the universe.

As for my own problems, getting the big one out of the way first, I'd also suggest a downgrade for Mario's last key based on D-SuN's statement of Devil Mario being unable to actually destroy all of reality and his description of the Boos' goal seemingly just referring to the universe being transformed into a state that only ghosts could survive in, (That would satisfy the fate of the universe statements without actually requiring Mario to have Universal AP, since the entire universe would be ruined and inhospitable, and by themselves "serious cosmic damage" doesn't mean much without context, Mario's aura doesn't have any showings of applying to his physical stats and Mario's own claim about wanting to bring the destruction of all creation also doesn't mean much when he never does so and WoG outright says he'd probably be incapable. Really all he's got is being far stronger than before and Tier 4 (Probably 4-A since he's manipulating a starry sky) levels of Enviornmental Destruction with his aura) ultimately none of the listed things together should justify a Universal rating

I also think his speed and LS for his last key should be downgraded as well, Mario himself doesn't display that kind of speed or power ever, and like I mentioned before, there's no kind of explanation or energy system that would suggest his physical stats scale to the abilities of his aura

It's shown several times in the series that gaining Power Stars makes the user more powerful in general. Mario and Luigi with two stars are capable of fighting at bullet-time speed for an extended period and as they both gain more stars, and they are shown capable of even more strength/speed feats. There is no reason at all for his larger feats being Environmental Destruction when it's been established that the stars make you overall stronger.

Mario's AP could probably receive a calc based on OPM's Serious Punch^2, but I do think the Newgrounds description statements along with DM's explanation of destroying creation is qualifiable for an at most or possibly Universal tier (based on how I've seen it done with other verses on the site), The D-Sun statement is just more confirmation that he isn't Universal+ as his destruction of creation doesn't span to literal realities/timelines. If that isn't the case, then Multi-Solar System or Galaxy level would work depending on the results of the calc. This also applies for speed and LS too.

And this is just a minor nitpick, but the 8-C feat Mario's second key is being scaled to only lists the explosion radius and doesn't have an actual value when that'd be pretty easy to calculate: (22.25^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = ~0.88527 Tons) idk if a lower pressure should be used since only the pillars in the background are destroyed, but it should be fine as is

That was probably a mistake on my end, I can fix that and add this part when I have the time.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Fair point, Fate Hax does seem like a bit of a stretch. The only reason I think they were on the profiles is because the Newgrounds descriptions for Power Star 3 and Power Star 4 implied that whoever had the stars would determine the fate of the universe.

It's shown several times in the series that gaining Power Stars makes the user more powerful in general. Mario and Luigi with two stars are capable of fighting at bullet-time speed for an extended period and as they both gain more stars, and they are shown capable of even more strength/speed feats. There is no reason at all for his larger feats being Environmental Destruction when it's been established that the stars make you overall stronger.

Mario's AP could probably receive a calc based on OPM's Serious Punch^2, but I do think the Newgrounds description statements along with DM's explanation of destroying creation is qualifiable for an at most or possibly Universal tier (based on how I've seen it done with other verses on the site), The D-Sun statement is just more confirmation that he isn't Universal+ as his destruction of creation doesn't span to literal realities/timelines. If that isn't the case, then Multi-Solar System or Galaxy level would work depending on the results of the calc. This also applies for speed and LS too.

That was probably a mistake on my end, I can fix that and add this part when I have the time.

Yeah, but again that doesn't actually imply fate hax, Mario wanted to destroy the universe and Luigi was trying to stop him, so whoever won their fight determined what was going to happen to it, thus "determining its fate." No actual hax required or implied

I'm not denying that Power Stars make him stronger, but that in and of itself doesn't indicate his non-physical abilities like the effects of his aura (Which he never uses in combat) should scale to his physical stats, you'd need to prove Mario's using a Universal Energy System for that, which you can't, yes Power Stars are shown over and over again boosting physical stats, but there's no similar 1:1 amp for non-physical abilities, so they can't be scaled to each other and best he'd only be 4-A with the aura, and since the aura feat only has an impact on the environment and is never used in combat, it'd be 4-A Enviornmental Destruction

I simply disagree, the statements of determining its fate by itself, while potentially evidence for Universal, don't hold up when D-Sun outright says that Mario was only going to turn the universe uninhabitable to anything other than ghosts, which would ruin the universe as a whole to the point that Luigi and Mario's fight would be "determining its fate." I doubt D-Sun meant "Mario couldn't destroy reality" to mean he couldn't destroy it across all of time, rather than just saying he couldn't destroy the universe, especially the rest of his statement makes it pretty clear the universe wasn't going to be destroyed. Mario's own "destruction of all creation" statement seems good at first, but seeing as he never gets to do so and it's contradicted by WoG outright saying "actually he can't," I wouldn't hinge a Uni rating on that alone. And no, it wouldn't apply to speed or LS since, again, Mario doesn't display showings of an energy system or feats that would indicate his physical stats scale to non-physical abilities like his aura, nor does he actually show any feats of even remotely similar magnitude

Any possible calc would have the stars moving at FTL speeds, so KE would be invalid, and the feat would just be the GBE of all the moved stars, so it'd just be a generic starry sky feat and wouldn't require a calc