Minor Bill Cipher Additions

[ShionAH]

Resistance to Power Nullification

• It was shown that Unicorn Hair Barrier is capable of nullfying the weirdness when it is touched
• Bill fought and defeated Shacktron, with him even touching the barrier for extended period of times. But as we can see he was still able to use his powers, without being affected.
• In Book of Bill we also learn Bill can literally just bypass the Unicorn barrier if he gets angry enough and uses his full power.

Agree: 2 (@TheOrangeGuy09, @CodeCCLL)

Disagree: 1 (@StrymULTRA)

Neutral: 1 (@Lord_Farquaad69420 [Leans to Agreeing]

 

[StrymULTRA]

1. We already talked on Discord that Type 9 SS is NOT ok, especially when I talked with Agnaa here.
2. Just WAIT, because I plan to implement some stuff after the cosmology CRT comes in.

Should I ask to close?

 

[ShionAH]

I removed SS, just the resistance. That okay?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I do plan on tackling the resistance in the incoming CRT as I said, it's one of the ones I am planning to add in the revised P&A.

I'd prefer handling this in the BoB CRT that is upcoming after all, but it may be just me.

 

[ShionAH]

I checked your PnA prior to this, saw that tbere was no Powernull argument so assumed you did not wanted to argue it.

Anyways I'll also add Baby Bill while adding this resistance, two for one

 

[StrymULTRA]

I checked your PnA prior to this, saw that tbere was no Powernull argument so assumed you did not wanted to argue it.

I literally did in your own CRT...

Anyways I'll also add Baby Bill while adding this resistance, two for one

This is more fitting for the General Discussion thread.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Resistance to Power Nullification

• It was shown that Unicorn Hair Barrier is capable of nullfying the weirdness when it is touched
• Bill fought and defeated Shacktron, with him even touching the barrier for extended period of times. But as we can see he was still able to use his powers, without being affected.

I agree

• In Book of Bill we also learn Bill can literally just bypass the Unicorn barrier if he gets angry enough and uses his full power.

This part is kinda unnecessary

I'd prefer handling this in the BoB CRT that is upcoming after all, but it may be just me.

This has nothing to do with BoB tbh

 

[ShionAH]

My bad I didnt see that in the thread.

 

[StrymULTRA]

My bad I didnt see that in the thread.

My primary goal is to use the incoming thread to see if staff agree with simply Bill's stuff being layered or him being resistant to power null, aye.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

My primary goal is to use the incoming thread to see if staff agree with simply Bill's stuff being layered or him being resistant to power null, aye.

The Power Null Resistance from the show ≠ layered hax from BoB

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh WAIT.

I didn't really check. I remember me also disagreeing in the original thread where that was brought up, as all it did was reverting the Totem back to normal.

But... what could it have reverted Bill to? He's weird already by himself, he can't be reverted to anything because that's already what he truly is, he wasn't corrupted from the weirdness wave, as he's literally the source of it.

Yeah no completely disagree here.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It nullifies Weirdness powers which is why Totem died. Bill’s Weirdness powers were just fine. So most obvious Resistance to Powernull.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bill’s Weirdness powers were just fine.

No? It still couldn't do like anything to the Shacktron, why do you think he was forced to attack the parts outside of it? If he was actually resistant, he'd have just brute-forced through that barrier.

 

[ShionAH]

Resisting Powernull is not the same as being able to go through a forcefield. You blatantly ignore my argument

 

[StrymULTRA]

Resisting Powernull is not the same as being able to go through a forcefield. You blatantly ignore my argument

The "power null" here is just reverting weird objects to their regular self.

I already did explain why your "argument" is invalid and a massive stretch. Bill doesn't have any original state to be reverted to, so ofc he's not going to be nulled like it happened with the Totem. However it did clearly show that he was powerless when he dealt with said forcefield (both in show and BoB, he had to resort in other ways to bypass it), meaning that this entire thing is moot.

I know why you're saying this, because Death Battle did, so we must too. However, it won't fly here.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

No? It still couldn't do like anything to the Shacktron, why do you think he was forced to attack the parts outside of it? If he was actually resistant, he'd have just brute-forced through that barrier.

No? Barrier from Unicorn Hair does two things: nullifies Weirdness powers of those who touch it AND resists all of Weirdness powers. Bypassing one is not same as bypassing another, that’s NLF.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I know why you're saying this, because Death Battle did, so we must too. However, it won't fly here.

Deathbattle didn't sayit was power null, they said it was resistance to absorbtion

 

[StrymULTRA]

No? Barrier from Unicorn Hair does two things: nullifies Weirdness powers of those who touch it AND resists all of Weirdness powers. Bypassing one is not same as bypassing another, that’s NLF.

And it didn't stop Bill from using the weirdness powers because that's not what it ******* does. It only reversed the state of the totem and prevent weirdness from entering inside.

Deathbattle didn't sayit was power null, they said it was resistance to absorbtion

Right.

 

[ShionAH]

Barrier is resistant to weirdness and can nullify it, it does both Bill resists one but has to get angry to bypass the other. We also saw Bill use his heat vision against it, which supports this

This is like one of the most straight forward examples of Power Null resistance

 

[StrymULTRA]

Barrier is resistant to weirdness and can nullify it, it does both Bill resists one but has to get angry to bypass the other.

Cherry picking evidence now when it's contradictory. Can't say I didn't see it coming from you.

 

[ShionAH]

I am not dealing with you, counted your vote.

 

[StrymULTRA]

You did not address anything, I literally did explain why Bill's powers were still fine despite this ""power null"" was indeed blocking his attacks, and all you did was repeating in loop "but it does nullify weirdness so shut up!".

So either given an actual counter to this, or just admit it's moot.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Cherry picking evidence now when it's contradictory. Can't say I didn't see it coming from you.

I disagree with power null too but you can at least not act like that. It's just bill cipher

 

[ShionAH]

I know I can't convince you, Barrier can nullify Weirdness yet Bill was fine. I believe its enough, you don't. Calm down too.

@Lord_Farquaad69420 Counted

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I know I can't convince you, Barrier can nullify Weirdness yet Bill was fine. I believe its enough, you don't. Calm down too.

@Lord_Farquaad69420 Counted

Alastor victims anyway, Eos Alastor gonna be outer, trust

Tho tbf iirc his lasar did knock around the shaktron, which it shouldn't have done cause the power null

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alastor victims anyway, Eos Alastor gonna be outer, trust

Alastor truly was holding back all the time, like Beerus before the retcons.

 

[ShionAH]

Alastor victims anyway, Eos Alastor gonna be outer, trust

He is an Adam victim bro

Tho tbf iirc his lasar did knock around the shaktron, which it shouldn't have done cause the power null

Yeah its on the OP, whats your vote?

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

He is an Adam victim bro

Nuh huh, he was offguard f*ck you my king will be outer

Yeah its on the OP, whats your vote?

change me to Neutral leaning to agree now

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tho tbf iirc his lasar did knock around the shaktron, which it shouldn't have done cause the power null

Sorry, but that was outside the barrier, as that covered only the house.

The limbs were vulnerable to Bill's attacks, it's even said in Shacktron's profile in durability.

 

[ShionAH]

Its a little inconsistent but Bill hit the start of the limb.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Its a little inconsistent but Bill hit the start of the limb.

The main problem is that the barrier didn't trigger at all, which makes it clear that the intent was Bill hitting a part that wasn't protected from the barrier.

 

[ShionAH]

When Bill used Shacktrona leg to hit him, the barrier did not activate. Not because Bill hit an limb or something, but simply because the barrier couldn't block or nullify the leg. So what you are saying isnt true

 

[CodeCCLL]

It was shown that Unicorn Hair Barrier is capable of nullfying the weirdness when it is touched

The "power null" here is just reverting weird objects to their regular self.

• Enhanced Power Bestowal (Bill Cipher displayed this when empowering his Henchmaniacs to fight Shacktron.[9] Can grant wishes by deals)

The power-up that Bill gave to the Henchmaniacs was not affected by the powernull in question, even though the Henchmaniacs (especially the big one) were in direct contact with Shactron, so I disagree with this argument.

Resistance to powernull works for me.

 

[ShionAH]

Very great point!