Miku Shem-ha revisions and upgrades

LumixXto · Jan 15, 2020

Apex_Predator_GX · Jan 15, 2020

I support this.

Dragopentling · Jan 15, 2020

What about the Higher Dimensional existence thing regarding the Shemha Defense?

Gojira1234 · Jan 15, 2020

I'm into it

Dragopentling · Jan 15, 2020

Additionally she was still superior to Noble Red and the strongest AlcaNoise at a fraction of her power (forgot the fraction value). Also, was she fighting at her strongest point in that final clash?

LumixXto · Jan 15, 2020

Dragopentling said:
Additionally she was still superior to Noble Red and the strongest AlcaNoise at a fraction of her power (forgot the fraction value). Also, was she fighting at her strongest point in that final clash?

Not sure, the life drain was cutted by Hibiki, probably she got more power than befores, she obviously get a higher status in that moment.

LumixXto · Jan 15, 2020

Dragopentling said:
What about the Higher Dimensional existence thing regarding the Shemha Defense?

I dont noticed that, in wich chpater has mention? ill make scans

Dragopentling · Jan 15, 2020

One more thing: can Divine Power be discussed here, too? Since it also concerns Miku / Shemha as well. Something about how stuff was explained in AXZ and XV may point to Shemha herself being a Higher Dimensional Existence, which would make sense with Divine Power haveing Higher Dimensional Manipulation properties to a greater extent than the Relics by themselves.

Shemha was never truly killed in the end. Yes, she was defeated, she took the L in the end, but she reached out one more time (like Yhwach just before Ichigo cut him down for good)....at least she took her leave more peacefully afterwards and likely ascended back to her original plane of existence. I don't think prehistory ShemHa was originally 4D, though.

Dragopentling · Jan 15, 2020

LumixXto said:
Dragopentling said:

What about the Higher Dimensional existence thing regarding the Shemha Defense?

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I dont noticed that, in wich chpater has mention? ill make scans

It was in XV. I think it was episode 9 when the Shemha defense was first fought. Genjuro provided the statement.

Dragopentling · Jan 15, 2020

Okay so I got the fraction value. Shemha was at 1/10,000 of her original power when she first manifested with Miku as her vessel. She's at least superior to the 4A Alca Noise. Assuming the 4A feat was baseline, 10,000x that value should at least somewhere deep into tier 3, I think. Even after Shem ha left her body, Miku was shown to be likely stronger than the girls, as she helped get them through the Yggdrasil defense guards singlehandedly. That was in the final episode.

Newendigo · Jan 16, 2020

I'm on with the additions, new tier would just be At least 4-A, possibly 3-C like the rest.

Dragopentling · Jan 16, 2020

Well we still need to calculate 10k times BL 4A AP. Anyone able to do that right now?

Newendigo · Jan 16, 2020

Dragopentling said:
Well we still need to calculate 10k times BL 4A AP. Anyone able to do that right now?

It would just be a higher degree of 4-A.

Dragopentling · Jan 16, 2020

Fr? 10,000x BL 4A is still just high end 4A, huh?

i still think the Higher Dimensional thing is still worthy continuation on discussing, though. I mean, Shemha is literally a conceptual being, though I'm not sure which AE type she'd fit in if she does qualify.

Newendigo · Jan 16, 2020

The gap between baseline and high-end 4-A is 190x Millions, a 10,000x amp wont change anything.

If it's just an ability then it can be added but I may ask again, where the statement came from?

Dragopentling · Jan 16, 2020

It was in XV. I think it was episode 9 when the Shemha defense was first fought. Genjuro provided the statement.

Dragopentling · Jan 16, 2020

AXZ had more context regarding Divine Power, but I'll need to look that up later when I have time.

Dragopentling · Jan 16, 2020

Link to description of Divine Weapon, which explained the "Regenerationn" abilities of Shemha.

https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Divine_Weapo

LumixXto · Jan 17, 2020

So then, someone should make a summary of all additions

Dragopentling · Jan 20, 2020

If this goes over well with additional revisions, not gonna lie, we may have end up having Symphogear Vs DBZ matches.....like real talk (no, we're not using the hax-filled versions)

Newendigo · Jan 20, 2020

I would like Puella Magi matches, but SZS one-shot and speed blitz even in base forms /:

Newendigo · Jan 26, 2020

Bump.

Kiril_Vasilev · Jan 27, 2020

I just read through this and there is a lot wrong with some of the statements.

1. Shem-ha turned herself into a Language more specifically the unified language used by the Lulu amel . She is able to infect, replicate and evolve in any system that has any kind of connection. That means anything that has any form of language so humans computers and all that jazz.

Shem-ha Was not weakened by the curse of Balal when she Fough Enki. She was only weaker than him because all of her fragments were spread through humanity. After Enki killed her he then activated the Network jammer Balal. Sealing her in all of humanity. Only her latest corpse and the Vambrace were sealed in the coffin.

Shem-ha was released in Symphogear G. When the Symphogears Connected the whole world with the song "Apple" which contained a fragment of the unified language. Shem-ha only manifested in XV thanks to the power in the Vambrace and Mikus desire to connect to Hibiki

https://wiki.poweris.moe/wiki/Shem-Ha

https://wiki.poweris.moe/wiki/Curse_of_Balal

2. The defense granted by her divine power allows her to sacrifice one version of herself from a parallel universe to negate all damage received even if its lethal.

https://wiki.poweris.moe/wiki/Divine_Power

https://wiki.poweris.moe/wiki/Deicide

This is a very small part of what I actually want to correct. But it would take me to long to source everything and I'm a bit lazy atm. So i will just offer a bit of advice. Avoid referring to the Symphogear wiki for information a lot of stuff there tended to be incorrect back in the day and I still find some misinformation. If you use the wiki use it for references and not as a source. And don't use the Crunchyroll subs for information. They are extreamly bad and packed with awful mistranslations.

If you want good trustworthy information about something refer to the Keywords. They probably have what you seek. Or if you want to source something from the anime refer to the YameteTomete subs.

Dragopentling · Jan 27, 2020

What about the part where Ver was talking about the magnitude of the explosion of energy upon Nephilim's final form? It said 1 trillion joules, but that doesn't seem like a lot, tbh.

Also, if what Kiril states is correct, then the Symphogear verse is a lot more powerful than even I expected.

Kiril_Vasilev · Jan 27, 2020

Everything I stated is from the Offical Keywords which anyone can look up. They are tiny bits of canon information that clarify things that would take too long to explain in the show. Like how most things in the Symphogear universe work.

Dragopentling · Jan 28, 2020

From what I've read, Divine Power is probably at least 4D power (why else mention "multidimensional") with at least 2C scale. Creating worlds and switching with parallel universe counterparts has got to be something of a multiversal range/feat, cause the former is too broad to suggest creating just planets specifically.

Kiril_Vasilev · Jan 28, 2020

The keywords specifically mention parallel universes. So I would assume that means full-on universe like our own. That to me seems pretty conclusively Multiversal.

Another interesting thing is that we can scale all the Symphogear users and Carol to multiversal attack potency. Because in episode 13 when they achieved a 7-way unison they all gained the god-killing ability of Gungnir.

Dragopentling · Jan 28, 2020

Now another question would be the range of the multiverse scale. Assuming the reliance on Divine Power to continually regenerate or create worlds, I'd assume "countless universes", which might warrant 2B, but idk yet.

Newendigo · Jan 28, 2020

> 2-B.

Woa woa there cowboys, I think you guys are speeding to much.

We should address this further, also bring someone that knows dimensions and stuff.

Dragopentling · Jan 28, 2020

Newendigo said:
> 2-B.
Woa woa there cowboys, I think you guys are speeding to much.

We should address this further, also bring someone that knows dimensions and stuff.

Ik, but the parallel universes stated in the official context should already be a confirmation by even just the statements in the anime, especially if we want to consider XDU as part of the verse.

Newendigo · Jan 28, 2020

Well, as far I can tell with paralel universes/dimensions in SZS, there are two things.

1. Noise's physical are in a different plane of existence, Gears are able to attack through multiple dimesions to reach them, which can only be counted as Non-Physical Interaction.

2. Divine Power allows one to sacrifice a parallel version of themselves in exchange to restore their bodies, similar Funny Valentine, this doesn't apply to AP.

LumixXto · Jan 28, 2020

I didn't know about the Keywords, thanks for the addition.

Kiril_Vasilev · Jan 28, 2020

The noise defense and the way its overcome seems physical to me. At least the way its explained is. It seems to me that its a physical attack that is amplified through many worlds at the moment of impact and it pulls the noise to our reality.

https://wiki.poweris.moe/wiki/Phase_Contrast_Barrier

Dragopentling · Jan 28, 2020

Ummm, but the stated capability to create worlds is without a doubt a tier 2 feat, Low 2C at very least. Divine Power feels more like a nerfed version of Rimuru's Turn Null.

Also, even if the causality-based regen isnt multiversal in Power, it should be considered at least Universal+ in terms of range, something like with GER.

Antvasima · Jan 28, 2020

Somebody should ask the staff and experienced members listed in the Senki Zesshou Symphogear verse page to comment here.

Dragopentling · Jan 28, 2020

There's not a whole lot of Symphogear supporters on this site, sadly.

Antvasima · Jan 28, 2020

That is a problem. You can ask some discussion moderators to comment here then.

Dragopentling · Jan 29, 2020

Antvasima said:
That is a problem. You can ask some discussion moderators to comment here then.

Know any mods in particular whom are particularly active on this site?

Antvasima · Jan 29, 2020

You can pick some of the ones listed here:

Gemmysaur, Theglassman12, Qawsedf234, Crabwhale, Sir Ovens, The Calaca, Zark2099, ByAsura, GyroNutz, ShiroyashaGinSa, DarkGrath, The Wright Way, Ricsi-viragosi, Ogbunabali, Moritzva

Newendigo · Jan 30, 2020

I called Calaca, Asura and Gyro,

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