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Darth Vader
Seemed like the best photos for them.
Also seems like a really good fight
Legends Vader vs Base Mewtwo
Speed Equalized
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Bonus Round if Inconclusive or you feel like having fun: Telekinesis ONLY
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Mewtwo vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader
Seemed like the best photos for them.
Also seems like a really good fight
Legends Vader vs Base Mewtwo
Speed Equalized
Vader:
Mewtwo:
Bonus Round if Inconclusive or you feel like having fun: Telekinesis ONLY
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This is High 6-A versions, or base vs legends...Eficiente said:
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Inconclusive.
It's a matter of who draws Mind Manipulation first
It's a matter of who draws Mind Manipulation first
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Doubt it, neither of them would likely be affected by it
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No reason they wouldn't be
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If it's telekinesis only, I'm leaning towards Mewtwo. Mewtwo can do some pretty crazy stuff with his telekinesis, like Psystrike and Shadow Ball. Mewtwo is also used to fighting with only telekinesis. Vader, and the other hand, can only really Force Slam and Force Choke. Not only that, but Vader doesn't usually fight with only telekinesis.
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Both of them have resistance, as Palpatine can't mindhax Vader, and Mew/Alakazam can't Mind Hax MewtwoGargoyle One said:
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@Noah Psystrike and Shadow Ball arent telkinesis though, and Vader has much, much more than just Force Slam and Force Choke
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How is Psystrike not telekinesis? And yes, Vader has more than that, but in terms of offensive mannuvers, they're all somewhat similar.
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Because its a wave of psychic energy?
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Both of them have resistance, as Palpatine can't mindhax Vader, and Mew/Alakazam can't Mind Hax Mewtwo
That's because Sidious never even tried too.
That's because Sidious never even tried too.
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And while Mewtwo does have mind manipulation resistance, it likely pales to Vader's own.
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Cal voting against Mewtwo? That's a first.
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Doubt Vader has it TBHThe real cal howard said:
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Sidious has tried to mind control Vader before, if I'm not mistaken.
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Whoa, never said I was voting against Mewtwo, and I didn't say that Vader had resistance. I'm just saying that Mewtwo's own resistance wouldn't help if Vader used mind manipulation.
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Have a scan or trouble linking?Noahkaismith said:
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Dude, I'm just joking.The real cal howard said:
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I figured lol. The latter half was towards my boi Gar tho.
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Don't have a scan, but I remember reading that somewhere before. Perhaps someone more knowledgable on Star Wars can confirm it.Gargoyle One said:
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Who does everyone vote for?
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Vader and any force user have much better TK by virtue of it working on the sub-atomic scale.
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@Aguila
ANY force user? No. Only those who have created or altered a holocron. Even then, they do not use it in a ofensive manner. The one time I can remember someone using matter manipulation in SW mid combat is Obi-Wan, manipulating water molecules to create waves in the air.
That said... If Mewtwo used mindhax, Vader would retaliate, as he did in a comic against another telepath. Mewtwo would be utterly f**.
BTW, not voting... Yet.
ANY force user? No. Only those who have created or altered a holocron. Even then, they do not use it in a ofensive manner. The one time I can remember someone using matter manipulation in SW mid combat is Obi-Wan, manipulating water molecules to create waves in the air.
That said... If Mewtwo used mindhax, Vader would retaliate, as he did in a comic against another telepath. Mewtwo would be utterly f**.
BTW, not voting... Yet.
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Does Vader resist it or not, that's kinda what's keeping me from voting.
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Mewtwo should BFR now.
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Vader mind haxes the shit out of him.
He can also use SAMM to vaporize him or turn him into Rakghoul (<- Apparently)
He can also use SAMM to vaporize him or turn him into Rakghoul (<- Apparently)
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I actually think Vader wins this, but he's absolutely not mind-haxing Mewtwo, characters who have shown powerful mind-hax or mind-hax resistance before like Mewtwo aren't sufficiently affected. Cad Bane could resist the mind hax of multiple jedi, including Mace Windu, Anakin and Ahsoka, and Mewtwo >>>>>>>>> Cad Bane in that regard.
Just throwing that out there.
Just throwing that out there.
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Also, Vader can use SAMM on the spot and mid combat as well.
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That's not how that works. Darth Vader's Mind Hax is scaled to 10 Trillion people. Mewtwo's Mind Resistance is no where near that level.
That's not how that works. Darth Vader's Mind Hax is scaled to 10 Trillion people. Mewtwo's Mind Resistance is no where near that level.
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Vaporizing a tier 10 is legitimately nothing here.
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He once turned a prisoner into a Rakghoul. He had the Murr Talisman, but he's above Murr anyway at his peak so he should be able to do it regardless.
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Don't really think powers scale like that...
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10 trillion people with no resistance. Cad Bane is similar to Boba Fett in that he's one of the handful of force users trained sufficiently to fight high-tier force usersTeenAngel101 said:
@Cal
It is worth considering since SAMM isn't a power feat, it's a dura-ignoring hax
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@Cal
He did this with Sub Atomic Matter Manipulation, which is basically ignoring durability.
The point is that he can use it on the spot, and it doesn't take that much concentration. Also, Obi Wan can use it on the fly too, as mentioned above.
The reason they make a big deal out of concentrating of the holocron is that the holocron requires "hundreds of thousands of precise, subatomic changes". This is why the holocron requires concentration.
When used in combat on much larger foes with intent to kill, this is obviously not a problem.
He did this with Sub Atomic Matter Manipulation, which is basically ignoring durability.
The point is that he can use it on the spot, and it doesn't take that much concentration. Also, Obi Wan can use it on the fly too, as mentioned above.
The reason they make a big deal out of concentrating of the holocron is that the holocron requires "hundreds of thousands of precise, subatomic changes". This is why the holocron requires concentration.
When used in combat on much larger foes with intent to kill, this is obviously not a problem.
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Ah, @Bruce. That's another story then. Good point.
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@Bruce
That's not how Mind Hax works.
Mind Hax is measured in power by how many people it can control at once.
Meaning, even if you can resist Mind Manipulation that controlled, like, ten people, that means nothing against Mind Manipulation that controls 10 TRILLION.
That's not how Mind Hax works.
Mind Hax is measured in power by how many people it can control at once.
Meaning, even if you can resist Mind Manipulation that controlled, like, ten people, that means nothing against Mind Manipulation that controls 10 TRILLION.
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Doesn't matter if someone who is really just a weaker Boba Fett resisted mind hax from a weaker Vader, his apprentice and a peer of Yoda/Palpatine.
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