Meng Hao vs Bard

[InfiniteSped]

Meng Hao vs Bard

Round 1: Speed equalized

Round 2: Speed unequalized (cuz y not)

Spirit Realm Meng, and both In character

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

What can meng do against sealing and can he deal with type 9 immortality

 

[InfiniteSped]

He has some decent defenses against sealing, and his Karma hex is able to sever connections between the "clone" beings and their true selves.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bard can just remake himself another body should his current one be destroyed or severed somehow

 

[Zaratthustra]

Restrict Terracotta Soldier as even without CRT being done it will be a stomp by feats alone or let it and call it day as he will simple win.

Meng Hao Karmic Hexing will resolve the problem as it can sever its connection and don't forget he passively see the Karmic threads.

 

[InfiniteSped]

How powerful is the True Bard?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Infinite 4-D

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Zara If Bard gets severed from his physical body he woul juts remake a new one

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also seeing as Bard is getting immeasurablenspeed he blitzes with unequal speed

 

[InfiniteSped]

Also seeing as Bard is getting immeasurablenspeed he blitzes with unequal speed

Isn't that just for the skin key?

 

[Zaratthustra]

He doesn't get severed from his physical body but from Karma itself. Severing works in many ways not only by cutting the connection between the avatar and the true body. It can also cut the connection between True Bard and the Universe he fights or his power. by sealing it in karma.

 

[InfiniteSped]

If the true Bard can just make new bodies all the time, it'd be hard for Meng to do anything.

You got a link that talks about the True Bard? Always thought he was more powerful than Zoe because he was the real Celestial and wasn't using a host/clone/weaker body thing.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Infinite The Bard we see in game and in lore IS a weaker body, Celestial need hosts or avatars in order to interact with the physical world, otherwise they end up depowered like Soraka

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He doesn't get severed from his physical body but from Karma itself. Severing works in many ways not only by cutting the connection between the avatar and the true body. It can also cut the connection between True Bard and the Universe he fights or his power. by sealing it in karma.

Bard can kinda atrack from other universes

Can Meng even affect true bard?

 

[Zaratthustra]

If he's 4-D Infinite no, but that will just be stomp as Bard should be higher in tier not High 4-C if he was so powerful.

 

[InfiniteSped]

@Infinite The Bard we see in game and in lore IS a weaker body, Celestial need hosts or avatars in order to interact with the physical world, otherwise they end up depowered like Soraka

Do you have a link that talks about the true Celestials?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If he's 4-D Infinite no, but that will just be stomp as Bard should be higher in tier not High 4-C if he was so powerful.

Well two things:

1. True bard is 4-D, not the bard being used here

2. We're actually removing the whole 'Higher dimensional = higher tiers' thing

 

[Zaratthustra]

Then why bring the True Bard here as he is irrelevant.

 

[InfiniteSped]

He means that the True Bard can just keep recreating Bard how many times he wants. Kinda like that situation with Rimuru.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Then it will be finished like it but low chance as Bard does not have even 1/3 Rimuru Abilities. Meng Hao can use Laws Manipulation to finish it as Bard doesn't have resistance.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I don't see why Bard doesn't just snipe Meng with sealing and call it a day

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Zara Bard not having as many abilities as Rimiru means nothing when he has one surefure way to win that he leads with in character

 

[InfiniteSped]

That Zoe feat was pretty good, but when has Bard actually sealed someone?

 

[InfiniteSped]

Meng does have Shui Dongliu who would intervene if someone tried to seal Meng's existence from people's memories. Although I'm not sure if that'd count as outside help in a vs Battle, or just be a type 9 immortality thingie.

 

[Zaratthustra]

He can resist it. Bard only brings Sealing, while Meng brings LawManipulation, Sealing, Existance Erasure, Karmic Annihilation and Severing, Void Manipulation, Attack Reflection, Power Nullification, Space Manipulation, Life-Death Manipulation and resisting most of Bard abilities if not all.

Versatility wins for me.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Zara None of those abilities you listed would do anything to Bard. Basically everything you listed gets bypassed by type 9

 

[Zaratthustra]

He can interact with those in another space as he did with Ji Nineteen.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Law Manip: Bard snipes from another universe

Sealing: Bard makes another body

EE: Bard makes another body

Karmic Annihilation and Severing: Bard makes a new body

Void manip: Bard makes a new body

Power Null: Hed need to be able to null True bard

Space manip: Bard counters with his own

Life and death manip: Bard isnt alive, hes an inanimate puppet

Resistances: Resistance nwgation says no

 

[Zaratthustra]

Karmic Annihilation and Severing works on multiversal scale.

Edit. Meng Hao has two additional lifes thanks to Echelon Mark.

What can Bard do to Shui Dongliu which Meng Hao gets type 8 Immortality.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah, for one body. Bard just makes another body to replace the one that has been severed.

 

[Zaratthustra]

No, it can affect the true body by severing his power/connection/life/etc. This is not a normal severing but one done by Karma itself.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He'd need feats proving he can affect a 4-D being if you really want to argue that

 

[Zaratthustra]

When he was a lot weaker he sealed the Heavenly Tribulation - a conceptual storm that appears when someone is going against the Heavens, the Heaven of Ji. He sealed a part of Ji TIan, the Lord of the Ninth Mountain, a High 2-A being that is one with the whole Ninth Mountain and Sea.

And you also need to prove that Bard can do something to Meng Hao as he resists every ability he has and more.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Resistance negation + Power null + Sealing via Tempered Fate, his go to move that he spams in character

 

[Zaratthustra]

Resist Power negation via Dharma Idol, Severings, Area and Domain (you chose one), Power null same, sealing via Body-Mind Hex, Kharmic Hex, Inside-Outside Hex. Meng Hao to spams his abilities. Meng Hao also has Conceptual Manipulation which Bard does not have resistance.

Banner of Mountain and Sea can pull the True Bard from his Space and seal him.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Resistance negation bypasses all of that and nulls it. Bard actuslly will be getting conceptual manip as well as conceptual erasure in the next crt (kinda why I wanted this thread to wait tbh because hes going room be getting a bunch of new powers).

 

[Zaratthustra]

Meng Hao also has the Terracotta Soldier which seems Infinite didn't restrict as I've said which is also in CRT. Karma Severing is conceptual and Annihilation is practically erasure to mid-godly again conceptual.

Like you, I didn't make any match with Meng as he already has two CRT ongoings.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Maybe put this on hold until the crts are done?

 

[Zaratthustra]

I will tell you now, from experience, ISSTH crt can reach two months for basic things, from experience I tell you this. This is why I've ignored the verse for a big part after I've made it. That's why I didn't make any match with Meng Hao this weeks.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

What a stomp.

saying Bard has his haxes op be like?