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Meliodas vs Lille Barro

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but can you actually show me when he spams his attacks? for example meliodas counters 3 attacks in rapid succesion

http://b.*************/store/manga/11925/078.0/compressed/f014.jpg?v=1401010921

it may seem persistent but: if lille gets damaged by his own power ("god"light?)...and meliodas can reflect that power..as well as having like 1000 mach advantage?....things are rather iffy to judge so fast
 
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well, he doesn't seem to spam them, again, a possible after effect of his personality change, but here he is shown firing 3. Not sure why Kyoraku says he can't move. Perhaps the attacks move fast enough to blitz characters around Kyoraku's speed.


But if Meliodas has a 1000 mach advantage, I'd consider this a mismatch, cuz unless X-Axis is instantaneous and ignores speed as well, he can't hit Meliodas
 
yeha it would be good to know why kyo could not move

well meliodas hangs at around mach 2000

from what i got lille is in the mach 1000 tier?
 
^^^http://www.***********.net/bleach/647/3

this isnt showing how he spams attacks but he can at least fire 2 energy balls at the same time, unfortunatly mel can reflect only one attack at a time, or more attacks if they land at the same spot at the same time :(

and here he shoots a immense amount of attacks which look like one big energy beam, it takes down a portion of the city: http://www.***********.net/bleach/648/10, and here he shoots a immense amount of energy projectiles around: http://www.***********.net/bleach/653/11

speed advantage will be a bit useless since lille can teleport, at least it will take mel the chance to run out of the enemys range immediatly (i think), http://www.***********.net/bleach/647/5
 
well if he fires 2 attacks or 3 attacks at the same time doesnt matter. meliodas can full counter multiple attacks with one blow as he can continously reflect single attacks one after another. his full counter covers his entire body

http://b.*************/store/manga/...d/enanatsu-no-taizai-4731491.jpg?v=1390147381

you see how attacks come from over his head, from the front, diagonal etc. and he still counters them in one blow

i dont see the difference here. and every clone can do it as well

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energy projectly are no problem for either being full countered or evaded

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as soon as lille realises he can not harm meliodas because he gets his own attack countered back at him he will refrain from doing it

but at the same time meliodas has no option of initiating an attack which hurts an intangible being

to me its inconclusive
 
^the difference is that ml can only use full counter on one target at the time, the attacks which got thrown at him only got reflected because they came all at the sam time from the same direction,

later it got shown that if meliodas isnt facing the attack it cant be reflected http://www.***********.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/80/20,

the explosion-knight also said that meliodas needs to read the attacks timing http://www.***********.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/24/8,

both together means that he can only reflect the attacks he faces and whichs attack timing he can read, with lille spamming energy beams and projectiles i dont think that reading them will be easily, and together with the teleportation i highly doubt that the attaks will hit lille even if they are reflected ^_^
 
from the scans you showed me lille has never attacked from behind. also he can not re-direct his attacks after he blasted them, correct?

that means meliodas can position himself as much as he wants to reflect it, due to 1000 mach speed advantage

if there are instances where lille changes the direction of his blast after he has fired them already then please show it to me.

if lille can teleport away from his attack being reflected why has he not done so? i guess its because the attack was to fast reflected back

and meliodas is even way faster than that
 
Lille is not in the Mach 1000 tier, that's wrong. It's the female Sternritter that are in that range. Barro is way above them, entering the Mach 2000 tier, if not there already.
 
^He can't change their direction, but he can teleport behind his enemy and attack from there, why he didnt do it in canon is most likely because of Kubo's poor writing :(

yeah, meliodas should be able to change his positions but the amount of attacks lille can spam should make it really hard for even 5 meliodas's to keep up with their redirecting, after all he doesn't need to change their direction but simply fire after teleporting to some other place, but as you mentioned, the teleportation speed is strange,

but I still go with lille 70/100 times because of superior healing, durability ignoring hax and intangibility ^_^
 
well unless there is a new calculation regarding his speed we cant give him just another speed number. such as we dont can give meliodas a complete different number just because he is above what was calced. both are bound to their respective calculated numbers - given a "likely a lot higher" is ofc. appropriate
 
Lille Barro, his speed should be at least equal since Bambifodder<<Lille Barro<< Lille Barro (post Auswahlen)<< Lille Barro (Vollstandig)< Lille Barro (owl form). He's probably comparable to Ichibei in speed.

As for spam. OBD accepts Trumpet as an X-axis attack with spacial shenanigans (no proof he stopped using X-axis, he was just preaching himself as god. He said it was his power due to being either the first or the last to recieve an Schrift) and so do I, I doubt Mel can reflect it and considering Lille can shoot about 24 bullets at once, teleport or simply fly around. Lille Barro takes this honestly.
 
and meliodas >>>>> galan so his speed increases just as lilles. but we do not get him a thousand mach out of nowhere without further quantifying it with numbers and calcs. yes reasonably lille is faster than the calculated numbers but that does not mean we can suddenly pull mach numbers and say "he is at the same speed as mel"

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in character lille does not fires hundreds of bulles at once, so as soon as he gets the first barrage reflected back, he knows about the danger and will avoid firing it

when he fires them at him the same time, he gets reflected them back at once - which i showcased already (mel FC his entire body region)

yeha i stick to what i said before: inconclusive due to mel not being able to initiate his own attacks and lille getting his own attacks redirected at him and having a speed disadvantage
 
I severely disagree with this speed advantage in Mel's favour. Mel blitzed Galan, but there is not one else to compare him to right? Ichibei has a Mach 3500 feat which Lille she be close to, base Ichibei cannot be that superior to Lille Barro at his strongest in speed. The post Auswahlen base Elites rekt the rest of the RG, at least two of which used Shikai. I'm going to make a seperate thread about this anyway.


24, not hundreds. Also, he has the advantage of not being sensed by Mel. Is it not possible he could simply snipe him with a soundless spacial attack through buildings or out of view. The attack has no physical form so I wonder how Mel is going to see it or recognise it to counter it at all. If Mel cannot see Lille when the attack is fired, he will have no idea I beleive.
 
What!? Lille isn't even close to ichibe speed. The only ones with that speed are top tiers like ichibe, Yhwach, Jugram and a few more.

After all. Ichibe>>>>>>>>>>>>>elite Sternritters>>>>>>>>Royal Guard.

So, Lille is faster than the female sternritters? Yes.

Faster than ichibe or close to him? Nah.
 
Out of date scaling honestly. Base Jugram, you purpose he is significantly faster than Lille Barro (Post Aushwalen, Vollstandig). I've made a post about this, let's not get derail this thread and talk there instead.
 
well but until the speed-thing is settled in your thread (can you link it?) the difference is still standing and heavily favouring mel..

this match is a headache
 
what do you mean with "surprised" ? mel thought invisible enemies before and not got surprised
 
I mean the attack's have no physical form. Has Mel countered an attack with not physical form which cannot be seen at all.
 
RavenSupreme said:
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No he hasn't. He only countered King's Disaster because he felt the effect on his body. He won't be able to Full Counter something when there's already a massive hole where his head is located, or his body is completely annihilated.
 
the question was: has meliodas full countered an attack without physical form which cant be seen

and the answer is yes. simple as that

also from what i got only the trompete is 6c and this attack can be seen

and meliodas full countered it before it reached his body

http://b.*************/store/manga/11925/134.0/compressed/o008.jpg?v=1437983583

http://b.*************/store/manga/11925/134.0/compressed/o009.jpg?v=1437983583

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problem with this one is that Meliodas was informed of his opponent's ability and his opponent even said 'let's try this again' or something to the effect, proving that Meliodas can counter it if he knows what he's countering. Not sure he'd be able to discern Lille's power without Lille explaining it
 
i doubt anyone of us belives lile oneshots mel with a random xaxis shot. he landed 3 hits or so on kyo and didnt killed him.

on top of the regen factor
 
not to mention lille got tricked by afterimages before. when he is faced with 5 clones of meliodas its not even likely he will hit meliodas in the first place. and we know meliodas starts serious battles with a clone attacking, taking all the attraction from the main body
 
It's not spite really by feats Mel is a tad faster and has the speed to reflect the trumpet.Also has some good regen as well.

Overall it's a pretty close match imo
 
isnt his trumpet in his third form? the OP sais second form

edit: i think the discussion went far away from the regular topic, seeing as it turned into a complete lille vs base meliodas match

his second form is only his vollständig, right?
 
okay so its not chicken lille with the island level trumpet? only city level and durabilty bypassing which can be reflected?

that was absolutely not made clear throughout the last back and forth discussions
 
See whoever erase the light description in Barro's profile and put reishi was wrong in doing so, i recommend is changed back. Because this brings useless arguments when it comes to a fight when the source material proves otherwise and it doesn't mention reishi at all but light which is what his entire body is made of, Pseudo-Light.

I give my vote to Mel since Light is still energy in equalization.
 
okay so..

1. form

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-646.0/compressed/l007.jpg?v=1444288086

second form?

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-646.0/compressed/l016.jpg?v=1444288086

third form?

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-650.0/compressed/q002.jpg?v=1446778538

and we use the third and not the second?
 
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