Meliodas vs Lille Barro

[Coleworld12]

I suppose Meliodas can't even partially transform in order to fight against Lille?

He can now since he shouldn't be island level otherwise

 

[Tivanenk]

not to mention lille got tricked by afterimages before. when he is faced with 5 clones of meliodas its not even likely he will hit meliodas in the first place. and we know meliodas starts serious battles with a clone attacking, taking all the attraction from the main body

Kyouraku's clones are different than Mel's and are complete clones that have the same reiryoku pattern that Kyouraku has. Mel's clones are weaker than him so Barro will be able to locate which one is the original by reading his reiryoku.

 

[RavenSupreme]

alright. well apart from that form not having used the xaxis the blasts were not potent enough to take out nanao immediately - she even managed to dodge some of it

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-653.0/compressed/q007.jpg?v=1448615525

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-653.0/compressed/q009.jpg?v=1448615525

and the trumpet can be reflected since its a visible attack without arguing over it

i should have actually read through the fight much earlier instead of taking everything for granted

i change my vote from inconclusive to : victory for meliodas

 

[JiroUchiha9]

this wasn't a clear matchup tbh. It's using base meliodas even though I've been using whatever the most powerful Meliodas is in my assessments, and I honestly don't see Meliodas standing a chance against Lille bar his speed advantage tbh. The hax of X-Axis, intangibility, the fact that the only time Meliodas reflected a projectile that might come close to what the X-Axis is is after he knew of it when the person using it signaled he was going to attack etc just makes me think this is a midd-high diff win for Lille

 

[RavenSupreme]

why is lille getting tagged

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-654.0/compressed/qbleach-6614803.jpg?v=1449187385

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-654.0/compressed/qbleach-6614809.jpg?v=1449187385

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-654.0/compressed/qbleach-6614815.jpg?v=1449187385

multiple times from someone who is not having a god slaying weapon here?

what about his supposed intangibility?

 

[JiroUchiha9]

this is Lille after being divided into 8 8-B entities that have not shown any usage of the X-AXis. In this form he loses his 'Heligschien' which he makes seem like the primary source of his Volstandig power. Chicken Lille as we call it is nothing more than a Quincy version of a standard hollow. If Meliodas could divide Lille like Nanao's Zanpakuto did, than he could simply demolish the eight chickens and make it a roflstomp

 

[Tivanenk]

Holy moley, Raven. You're taking those feats out of contexts. Those lights that damaged Nanao weren't his blasts, they were the dispersion of light after Nanao hit his body. And the feat where Lille gets tagged... he's not in his intangible God form. He was "killed" by Nanao and lost his halo.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

I changed my mind Barro takes this: (Second Form) Lille can also fire powerful blasts from locations far away from his body by forming portals in the air.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Holy moley, Raven. You're taking those feats out of contexts. Those lights that damaged Nanao weren't his blasts, they were the dispersion of light after Nanao hit his body. And the feat where Lille gets tagged... he's not in his intangible God form. He was "killed" by Nanao and lost his halo.

Lille is still very much alive, but de-powered of his intangibility.

 

[RavenSupreme]

i am sorry but the xaxis was dodged by kyou. and the initial hit didnt managed to take him out

i dont think anyone here argue that kyou has a higher durability than meliodas so neither the xaxis nor the trompete should be a game changer for lille

also this is third form lille we talk about. i think it should just be fair to let meliodas use his demon form and powers as well then

 

[HokageMangaVox]

i am sorry but the xaxis was dodged by kyou. and the initial hit didnt managed to take him out

i dont think anyone here argue that kyou has a higher durability than meliodas so neither the xaxis nor the trompete should be a game changer for lille

also this is third form lille we talk about. i think it should just be fair to let meliodas use his demon form and powers as well then

Actually Kyoraku got hit alot, even his spinal core was broken and he was still walking, kenpachi also lose all of his organs againts Gremmy and he was still walking. To kill a Shinigami for certain you must sever his head from his body.

Right bottom panel:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i10/img/bleach/25/bleach-1586081.jpg


http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i3/img/bleach/649/bleach-6421453.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i5/img/bleach/650/bleach-6453667.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i3/img/bleach/650/bleach-6453703.jpg

You cannot compared Mel to a Shinigami's durability.

 

[Tivanenk]

Current Demon Mel is featless. And Kyo only avoided X-Axis when he used very specific dodging abilities that his Shikai has that Mel does not have.

 

[RavenSupreme]

http://a.*************/store/manga/9/58-647.0/compressed/i002.jpg?v=1444962485

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its a regular dodging to me. nothing else. got even commented on it - despite his wounds he dodged

and funnily enough, thats the last time we see the xaxis being used as a means of attack

 

[Coleworld12]

Good this is becoming a close match that will be argued about.

And yes meliodas can use demon form I don't think he's island level otherwise

 

[KamiYasha]

Current Meliodas is Island level for destroying the kingdom of Danafor.

 

[RavenSupreme]

If Meliodas is allowed to use demon powers the x axis gets rendered useless since his power covers the body like a shield - it's not durability but the black mass trait itself

Island level demon power Mel shield vs city level x axis

Not to mention the massive speed boost yet again and full counter since he can control his demon form now unlike back in danafor

 

[Tivanenk]

The X-Axis is not city level. It penetrates barriers and defenses. That's what it does. It penetrates anything between him and the target.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

If Meliodas is allowed to use demon powers the x axis gets rendered useless since his power covers the body like a shield - it's not durability but the black mass trait itself

Island level demon power Mel shield vs city level x axis

Not to mention the massive speed boost yet again and full counter since he can control his demon form now unlike back in danafor

Ignores durability. Oetsu is Island level, yet he got pierced by X-axis in base. Barro normal Quincy arrows can also destroy small island size cities. GG.

His base Heilig Pfeil can destory 4 of them with one single shoot:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11126/111268533/4966602-600lille_destroys.png


Trompete:

 

[Gabriel_00]

If Meliodas is allowed to use demon powers the x axis gets rendered useless since his power covers the body like a shield - it's not durability but the black mass trait itself
Island level demon power Mel shield vs city level x axis

Not to mention the massive speed boost yet again and full counter since he can control his demon form now unlike back in danafor

X-axis ignores durability, i don't know if full-countering the X-axis would work on lile's intangibility maybe hellblaze, but i still think lile takes this due to intangibility.

 

[Tivanenk]

Now that I think about it, I don't think even reflecting the X-Axis will actually kill Barro. Think about it, Barro wasn't actually killed by the X-Axis, he was killed by Nanao's sword who took his power and dispersed it into eight directions. He lost his Heligschein because of the sword that dispersed him, not because of his own attack. This means that even if Mel can reflect the X-Axis, Barro will just regen as long as he has his Heligschein and Mel can do nothing about it.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Now that I think about it, I don't think even reflecting the X-Axis will actually kill Barro. Think about it, Barro wasn't actually killed by the X-Axis, he was killed by Nanao's sword who took his power and dispersed it into eight directions. He lost his Heligschein because of the sword that dispersed him, not because of his own attack. This means that even if Mel can reflect the X-Axis, Barro will just regen as long as he has his Heligschein and Mel can do nothing about it.

If the Heligschein is destroy he losses his power, we saw Ichigo destroying Olpie's Heligschein and after that moment he never use his powers againt's ichigo again. And Lille is still alive, he never die. (Not confirm at least, his battle with Kira continues until confirmed otherwise.)

 

[Quincy_Emperor]

Raven, you need to construct your points of the idea that it doesn't matter how durable a defense you make. If it cannot resist spacial hax, it's worthless.


Mel cannot hit Lille with any attack of any kind of any origin, because he has no abilites to do so. He needs to reflect a nonephysical, unseeable and hard to dodge hax attack in the earlier stages. Lille is not likely to just "lol Trompete" and as far as I know, Mel doesn't full counter constantly, though I may be wrong.

 

[Non-Bias]

Mel doesn't full counter constantly, though I may be wrong.

^ He spams it to death if he needs to honestly.

 

[Tivanenk]

Now that I think about it, I don't think even reflecting the X-Axis will actually kill Barro. Think about it, Barro wasn't actually killed by the X-Axis, he was killed by Nanao's sword who took his power and dispersed it into eight directions. He lost his Heligschein because of the sword that dispersed him, not because of his own attack. This means that even if Mel can reflect the X-Axis, Barro will just regen as long as he has his Heligschein and Mel can do nothing about it.

If the Heligschein is destroy he losses his power, we saw Ichigo destroying Olpie's Heligschein and after that moment he never use his powers againt's ichigo again. And Lille is still alive, he never die. (Not confirm at least, his battle with Kira continues until confirmed otherwise.)

Those two are completely different cases though. Nanao used her Shinken Hakkyoken to disperse Barro's power into eight different directions (as was stated to be done by the sword), which resulted in the flamingos. Barro has been shown to regenerated from getting his head exploded and losing his entire arm. I'm pretty sure he can regen even if he does get hit.

 

[Quincy_Emperor]

"Current Mel at full power"

I am not knowledgable on NNT, but isn't his most powerful form unstable? Unless that has changed his own idiocy gets him X-axis'd.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Wait wasn't Trompete a sound attack!? iirc

EDIT:

Yes, Tromete was actually a SOUND attack!?

Here, he clearly says it:

http://www.mangahop.com/wp-content/manga/388/1222/012st.jpg

 

[Tivanenk]

"Current Mel at full power"
I am not knowledgable on NNT, but isn't his most powerful form unstable? Unless that has changed his own idiocy gets him X-axis'd.

Well, he got his Demon powers back, but we haven't seen his Demon Form so we're just taking base right now.

 

[Coleworld12]

I changed to Fullpower since I forgot his base wasn't island level to make it fair

 

[Non-Bias]

Wait wasn't Trompete a sound attack!? iirc
EDIT:

Yes, Tromete was actually a SOUND attack!?

Here, he clearly says it:

http://www.mangahop.com/wp-content/manga/388/1222/012st.jpg

I believe that's a figure of speech since we could clearly see the attack. He was most likely referencing to the actual instrument which produces sound.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Wait wasn't Trompete a sound attack!? iirc
EDIT:

Yes, Tromete was actually a SOUND attack!?

Here, he clearly says it:

http://www.mangahop.com/wp-content/manga/388/1222/012st.jpg

I believe that's a figure of speech since we could clearly see the attack. He was most likely referencing to the actual instrument which produces sound.

Ok. If the Anime comes back, then it will be better explain. :/ Wich i doubt it will.

 

[RavenSupreme]

Im on the go so I can't answer as much as I want but why are people ignoring, that kyo dodged 2 of the xAxis blasts and all thy did were destroying a building?

Also while they may ignore durability that does not equal they ignore shields and barriers - what Mel has acces to . His black mass works like that

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Im on the go so I can't answer as much as I want but why are people ignoring, that kyo dodged 2 of the xAxis blasts and all thy did were destroying a building?
Also while they may ignore durability that does not equal they ignore shields and barriers - what Mel has acces to . His black mass works like that

-He barely dodge it.

-They destroy buildings and supossly went through them completly as well as the city, since we already saw him shooting down entire cities with a normal arrow.

His base Heilig Pfeil can destory 4 of them with one single shoot:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11126/111268533/4966602-600lille_destroys.png

-Pretty much this:

 

[RavenSupreme]

but thats my point. kyo, who is much much much slower than meliodas managed to dodge them. meliodas should have no problem of dodging them either, seeing he has the massive speed advantage

and if he can evade them, he has enough time to full counter them

 

[KamiYasha]

Well, Meliodas Regen will allow him to survive, after all Lille never shoot to the head...I mean if you take a look, he barely aim to the head.

 

[Quincy_Emperor]

Shot Senjumaru in the head. Shot Nimaiya in the heart I remember.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Well, Meliodas Regen will allow him to survive, after all Lille never shoot to the head...I mean if you take a look, he barely aim to the head.

Because he only faced main character's with plot armor.

If they start close to each other, Mel will receive the same treatment he gave to the first person her killed: (Which was a clone) And the last person he killed, was also a headshoot.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

but thats my point. kyo, who is much much much slower than meliodas managed to dodge them. meliodas should have no problem of dodging them either, seeing he has the massive speed advantage
and if he can evade them, he has enough time to full counter them

Mel will have to keep dodging them until he tires, plus he will have to deal with Lille teleporting and sending his attacks through portals.

 

[KamiYasha]

Wait...this is Lille in his True Form...

He only have his Light Generation, Ray of Judgement, and Trumpet. Meliodas should be more than capable of use "Full Counter" on those attacks.

 

[RavenSupreme]

there is no: keep dodging until he tires. meliodas has a 1000 mach advantage. thats something you can not simply put aside because your weapon bypassed durability, also keep in mind that kyou dodged 2 blasts at the same time, so while lille may be upgrading in speed, his attack speed does likely not

if lille is lucky he may get the first shot since IC meliodas has that jobby aura surrounding him. however aside from that he gets his blast reflected back at him, making his intangibility useless, since he has to face his own power.

 

[Quincy_Emperor]

Mel is not 1000 mach faster lmao. Seriously, that is Candice's speed. Byakuya himself could easily solo several Sternritter at that level.

You seriously won't hop off Mel here. His demonic form might be less likely to use Full Counter, he seems unstable when in that form. He eats an X-Axis spacial shot which there is no guarantee he can reflect anyway. Not that it'd kill Barro.