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Bleach speed scaling.

Quincy_Emperor

Quincy_Emperor

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Ichibei has a Mach 3500 feat which Lille she be close to, base Ichibei cannot be that superior to Lille Barro at his strongest in speed. The post Auswahlen base Elites rekt the rest of the RG, at least two of which used Shikai. Aushwalen base<<< Vollstandig forms of course.

Given this, is there absolutely any chance that they can be scaled upwards to other feats. Hell, Ichigo intercepted Yhwach pre Mimihagi and fought with him, if not already, should he be put to Ichibei's/Almighty Yhwach's speed and the Elites with him.

Royal Guard's using Shikai an then their showed defeat:

http://www.**********.com/bleach/604/11

http://www.**********.com/bleach/604/12

http://www.**********.com/bleach/611/3


Ichigo fighting Almighty Yhwach (Basically whole chapter of reacting to him etc):

http://www.**********.com/bleach/619/4

Intercepting his attack

http://www.**********.com/bleach/618/9

http://www.**********.com/bleach/618/10


It's bad writing, but the other Shinigami are currently beating what the Royal Guard couldn't in forms stronger than what the Royal Guard used.
 
Ichibei was in a league of his own. Yhwach, who is stronger than his elites, couldn't even avoid getting blitzed by him whenever Ichibei tried to.

The reason why the Shinigami beat the elites is because of the fact they had a very convenient power to counter the one they fought against (Nanao vs Lille is a prime example). Otherwise the elites barely have any real speed feats.
 
Yoruichi was able to fight on par with Askin, who absolutely bodied Ichigo. I know he uses Hax, but he still had to be able to react to Ichigo and counter it. The same Ichigo who intercepted Yhwach. The idea is not such much to scale directly to Ichibei. But scale to Ichigo, who is scaled from Almighty Yhwach.

Yhwach spent most of the fight putting up well again Shikai and Bankai Ichibei while in base. He reacted to his Kidou, he blade attacks and such. It wasn't always a blitz. Yhwach was not aware of how Ichibei's Zanpakuto worked, so he had no intel. He literally just kept pace, one upping each other constantly. Hitting Ichibei with Sankt Altar etc, etc. Each at some point did somethin the other could not avoid.
 
Yoruichi was able to fight on par with Askin, who absolutely bodied Ichigo. I know he uses Hax, but he still had to be able to react to Ichigo and counter it.

^ Not really accurate considering that Askin caught Ichigo in the Poison Pool which means that Ichigo ran into it himself.


The same Ichigo who intercepted Yhwach.

^ Like I've said before, that's not impressive because of The Almighty. Yhwach knew he was coming and didn't bother to stop him. He didn't even look surprised lol.


The idea is not such much to scale directly to Ichibei. But scale to Ichigo, who is scaled from Almighty Yhwach.


^ Read above. If Ichigo's scaled to Yhwach, it's highly inaccurate.
 
Intercepting is a speed feat. Getting in front of his attack, the almighty doesn't change that. He interupted his attack, Yhwach was so distraced by Mimihagi he probably didn't care or bother using Almighty to look for all we know.
 
I don't think that the Elite are on Ichibei's level (at least, there has been no evidence). However, the Royal Guard has been described as the creme of the crop of Shinigame and them being comparable to Bambi fodder is laughable as well considering that post-training Byakuya was handling these fodder with ease. I would say that the Elite Guard, who were better than the Royal Guard, are in fact closer to Ichibei in speed, than to Bambi fodder.

So I'd say the Bleach Elite Sternritter are well into the Mach 2000's range, probably somewhere in the middle of it.
 
I'd think they're Mach 2000+ since I base fodder sternritter could do 1000.Although proper evidence would be necessary howeve.
 
Coleworld12 said:
I'd think they're Mach 2000+ since I base fodder sternritter could do 1000.Although proper evidence would be necessary howeve.
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If I was just scaling from Bambi fodder, then Mach 2000+ would be a bit iffy. But we can also scale from Ichibei who is Mach 3500+, so being somewhere in between Mach 1000 and Mach 3500 are the Elite's speed, and I doubt that they're at the low end. Comparing Barro to Candice would be like comparing Kirinji to Komamura, they're not that close in speed.
 
Yes it does. Which means around the Mach 2000-3000 range for the Elite Sternritter (I would personally take the midpoint at Mach 2500)
 
The exact mid point is Mach 2250, which seems more reasonable, not too high and not too low for some significantly stronger than Byakuya, who easily dealt with 3 (?) Sternritter.
 
i dont think lille should be scaled off ichi and yhwach and simply put somewhere in the middle. ichibei is a league on his own way above the others. without a proper calculation there is no reason to base an exact mach value off an argument like "he should be around..."
 
Why not? The current scaling is highly inaccurate since it assumes he is at his strongest, only Mach 1000, which Bambifodder did, who are far, far inferior to him. He speed Is guaranteed to be closer to Jugram's and Ichibei's along with Ichigo's, that is unarguable. I think calling Ichibei a league of his own is an overstatement. Tenjuro is the Royal Guard known for his speed and he was bodied by the elites. Hell, Ichibei and base Yhwach each attacked each other with stuff either could not avoid and avoided each other a lot too. They were similar in strength.

That same Yhwach was intercepted by Ichigo. Ichigo got in front of his Attack Speed on Mimihagi and blocked it. Shikai Ichigo>>> Base Barro?
 
dont get me wrong. i understand the reason for a speed upgrade.

but i am against giving an explicit mach number to it which cant be justified off a feat. i dont recall any instance this kind of scaling was used (if so, remind me when)

thats a common thing in manga and leaves space for arguing, explanation and scaling - as bad as it may be for the fans.

a numerical value is something i oppose. a statement like "way faster than bamb who is mach 1000" is ofc. appropriate
 
Yeah, the Zero Squad got levelled by the Elite and Kirinji was especially known for his speed. Ichibei is a war potential and a power in a league of his own. But in speed? Nah, he's not that much faster than someone like Kirinji.
 
i can guarantee that an upgrade like this will cause other verses to start the same way of upgrading their characters. without a proper calculation. without using any form of mathematical values. just going by in-verse logic to find a number the supporters of the series appreciate.

this will lead to confusion and lack of credibility, since aside from "but he is almost as fast and faster than.." arguments nothing supports the numerical result
 
OK, so let's begin scaling from Bambi fodder. OK, so Bambi fodder is about Mach 1000 or so, a bit more. Bambi herself is stronger than her troupe, evidently, as she is the leader of them. Which means she's faster as well. Now, she was beat down by Komamura post-upgrade. Bazz-B has shown to be much better than Bambi or her fodder, as he completely fodderized post-upgrade Hitsugaya + Matsumato with just ONE finger. He's shown to be more skilled the female Sternritter and simply much better than the females, and most likely faster as well as a result. Renji was dodging Burner Finger 4 from him. Byakuya is faster than Renji by a lot and has shown to be throughout the entire series. However, he was blitzed by Gerard after the latter took his Senbonzakura. Also, Kyouraku is much faster than Byakuya as well. His speed was praised by Yamamoto and he's the captain commander, in addition to be a speedster in the verse. Barro was shown to be faster than Kyouraku in base form, tagging him while the latter couldn't before resorting to a tricky game.

That is pretty solid evidence that the Elite Guard must be at least around the Mach 2000 range.
 
that is pretty solid evidence that the elite guard is fast and faster than the mach 1000. and if any of what you described can be calculated the upgrades sure are good

however just because guy A is faster than guy B who is faster than guy C does not mean guy A gets a numerical speed value off it

we have a clear rule for this

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Calc_Stacking

second point
 
Calc stacking usually results from just adding multipliers to characters because one character blitzed another to lead to inflated values (happens in Kill la Kill).

However, I'm just arguing that the Elite Guard are more closer and comparable to Ichibei than they are to the Female Sternritters.
 
which is why "way faster" is a good way to round out the profile and i support a change in that direction
 
RavenSupreme said:
i can guarantee that an upgrade like this will cause other verses to start the same way of upgrading their characters. without a proper calculation. without using any form of mathematical values. just going by in-verse logic to find a number the supporters of the series appreciate.
this will lead to confusion and lack of credibility, since aside from "but he is almost as fast and faster than.." arguments nothing supports the numerical result
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Are you impliying that Lille=fodder Quincy?!, if so he shouldn't be able to fight any Zero Squad Member who are claimed to be stronger than the whole Gotei 13 and Oetsu speed blitz Barro:

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He die and then he became stronger/faster after he was revitlize by Yhwach:

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The updgrade is guarded and back it up by exposition in the manga. GG.
 
i am not implying anything remotely like that. the manga gives an unquantified view in terms of the greater speed. unquantified -> without a numerical value we can utilize.
 
RavenSupreme said:
i am not implying anything remotely like that. the manga gives an unquantified view in terms of the greater speed. unquantified -> without a numerical value we can utilize.
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That's because the Author can't draw backrounds. lol Either way after everyone was revitalize they are faster than Oetsu Nimaiya.
 
We do not speculate here on what speed somebody "should be." That is the essence of calc stacking and not a practice endorsed by this wiki. Without a statement such as "he's at least 2x faster than me!" or "I can travel at twice your speed, you're way too slow," you are not allowed to edit pages based on speculation of the numbers. If you want to upgrade the speed, then make a new calc.

As for scaling people to Ichibei, I would support the following:

Ichibei = Yhwach = Ichigo (fought with Yhwach) = Askin (caught Ichigo off guard) = Elite Sternritter = anyone who kept up with Elite Sternritter
 
We can put at least, or likely higher beside character stats, but arbitry numbers like Mach 2000 don't go by wiki format.

I agree with what Alakabamm said on this matter
 
This doesn't make sense...the Yhwach who Ichigo fought was the one with Almighty, which is on par with Mimihagi's speed. Unless Ichigo has been toying around all this time, the elite sternrriters are Sub-relavistic. I wouldn't doubt it since Kyoraku was dodgining light beams from Lille Barro. But i don't agree with it either.
 
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