One of the well written ptj manhwa btw. Idk what's wrong genuinely. But sure... opinions.
I don't think it was horrible tbh, I just have very high standards so the best I can give is a 5/10, 6/10 if I am being REALLY generous
It did have some stuff I liked
To my surpise it unrionically had one of my favorite depictions of a trans character period (only topped by the likes of fire punch)
I also liked that the authors were self aware enough not to play the 'bully revenge' trope straight, and actually acknowledged that revenge makes you hollow and just perpetuates the cycle of violence, however the villain character writing negates that imo
I also liked the way the main cast were written (Yoosung and his friends but not the bullies/villains)
My main issue with the story was with the bullies not feeling like real people and instead being 1D narcissistic sociopathic monsters that will literally refuse to accept responsibility for their actions even when their life is at stake, like they are so comically evil and narcissistic they will literally double and triple down on not taking accountability, refusing to admit they are wrong and even saying they are in the right even when their life is actively at stake lmao. I know there are some pretty vile people out there but you'd unrionically need to be ontologically evil, have 0 self preservation skills and be superhuman levels of stupid and narricistic to act the way they do. They are SO utterly, comically incapable of an ounce of empathy, and will actively assult and harm anyone that even remotely offenders them that it genuinely makes me question the world building, obviously halo effect, and prejuice, and the system is corrupt and broken, and society is shallow and bad, and their parents are privileged blah blah blah but at some point you start to question even with south Korea being a dystopia how do these people exist in society? Is everyone in JO stupid? Or evil? They clearly aren't because they can recognize how comically evil these guys are lol.
They also predictably turn into sobbing pathetic messes when they inveitaibaly get their comeuppance. It's a great cathartic moment to see a POS character get their comeuppance but it ultimately serves no purpose, other than as a power fantasy for victims of bullying (some sites have some genuinely abhorent comments
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There is nothing wrong with pure evil characters that are scumbags, refuse to take responsibility and are ultimately pathetic, they can be great even! But Juvenile offender is trying to comment on social and systemic issues in Korean society, which it actually does a good job of when its talking strictly about
laws, however it imo sucks at actually providing any meaningful comnentary on Korean society, culture and their systemic and social issues and the perpetrators(bullies, abusers) and why they turned out the way they did (think about how in early lookism we got a flashback showcasing what lead to 'Zeus' becoming a grapist, this is PTJ directly commenting on a social issue using lookism as a medium to do so, Juvenile offender tries and imo fails at doing the same thing)
To be double clear I am not asking for them to have some sob story and be tragic and misunderstood, having them just be bullies is fine, and I am aware that Korean society is so prejudiced it borders on being a dystopia which would obviously affect how children are socialized, but the story exaggerates it to a point where it becomes unrealistic, mfs will look you dead in the eyes in Juvenile offender and be like 'yeah sure I LITERALLY killed your dad but what did I ever do wrong to you?! Why do I deserve this?!' (This happens with pretty much all of them lol), and while I am aware that there are genuinely people out there who are so narcissistic they can't see the harm in what they are doing, but imo this is bad commentary because even the most vile people can tell right from wrong otherswise they wouldn't feel the need for trying to cover up their crimes
And I am speaking from experience as an actual victim of bullying and abuse, a lot of which I am not even sure I could mention on the forum due to how bad it was, so when I say that the bullies in Juvenile offender are badly written because they are unrealistic caricatures, it's not because I've never met anyone THAT bad or vile in real life, I KNOW such people exist because I HAVE met them. I say the bullies in JO are badly written caricatures because the horrible people they are meant to be representing do NOT act like that in real life, the story also never offers any meaningful comnentary on why such cruelty exists beyond vaguely alluding to society le bad, le tik tok le bad, which was the Pinnacle of good deep writing when I was 12
TLDR: Juvenile offender writings and themes wise is just early lookism but worse, characters like Zack are much better written representation of a bully imo
Depends on the timeframe this manhwa cannonically took place in Lookism. Yes that dude no-low diffed an executive but he was literally an unnamed dude and a legit fodder with zero importance on Lookism and he wasn't even consider as strong executives in lookism and there were multiple times stated for an executive to be 'our strongest executives' this included 3A executives too so if he wasn't in there, be was most likely a fodder from maybe 4A or idk...depends on the timeframe lwk. The later the weaker since the workers only got weaker over time and I'm talking about the normal folks as the people who DID got stronger are at least slightly relevant to the plot.
Fair enough my point was that we know Joochan can low/no diff a nameless workers executive so he must scale above them, but that doesn't tell us if the stronger more relavant workers executives scale ABOVE Joochan, it's entirely possible Joochan is on the level of the stronger executives or even stronger (not saying he is just that we lack connective tissue between Joochan and stronger workers executives to know whether they would fold him, or he would fold them, or they would be evenly matched) for all we know he might be a 2A Kenta victim or he might fold current Kenta
It's nothing hard to be proven either. He almost wrestled with Yoonsung which should prove that post Taheoon training Yoonsung should scale to his LS, now Yoonsung pretty easily scaled below Taheoon and Hobin, Taehoon scales to the version of Johan who appeared in MK when he was in white tiger job centre... pretty early I'd say. And that's js narrtive because Changsoo also scales way above Joochan in terms of LS.
We know Yoonsung scales below EOS Hobin and Taehun as I am 95% sure JO takes place after Viral hit's ending but prior to the time skip where we see them as adults, and even if it didn't the Taehun you're thinking of is PRE viral hit Taehun as Johan vs Taehun takes place pre 3A before the events of viral hit where Taehun gets way way way stronger, I don't think Yoosung scales to below BOS Hobin and Taehun lol
But I do agree that Yoosung, EOS Hobin and Taehun should scale to and above this, also doesn't current Johan have way higher LS scaling by scaling to Gun and his LS feat anyway?
For 3A Johan and BOS Taehun I don't remember if they had an LS comparsion
Regardless tho, we have clear statements of 'strongest executives' so that should pretty much do the job for LS aswell.
I can vaguely recall what you're talking about but can you tell me which chapter? I've been under the impression that the workers executives we see in lookism are the only ones, not the strongest ones, the one we see in JO could have just been a new hire who was fodder since we saw that post HFG the workers had to restructure
And I've already negated all such arguements, so the burden is on you to prove how it's an outlier, not me.
But if ur asking for an example then I'd say outlier would be something like the sub relitivistic Johan calc for kid Johan. Because all verses have slight incosnsistencies (which u haven't yet proven regarding LS for Questism as I've already negated all such args) but mods have clearly stated it multiple times that few incosnsistencies in general aren't really a good way disprove calcs in whole or rule it out as outliers.
Exceptions are there for example, Killer Peter being MHS (once used to be but thanks to me it isn't anymore) because charecters there struggled with bullets being fired from 4km away and had stated arrival time of 10 whole seconds which top tiers still considered to be a huge threat JUST because the sniper was skilled. Basically they struggled to dodge bullets from 4km away which only moves at 400 m/s, crazy stuff.
Yet the verse still is supersonic (I'm running a crt already against it because the calcs for supersonic are bad and wanked but I'll remake it because i mistakenly put it into crt category instead of cgd)
Anyways, among all conditions you validly justified none for the calc to be an outlier and your whole arguement relied on calc difference but accepted calc difference of this level or WAYYY higher level has been accepted multiple times without being ruled as 'outliers' in many verses being js called as 'upgrades'.
Could you provide examples? Because context matters, also just because something has been accepted on the site doesn't make it true, you should know this better than anyone given that I've seen you try to recalc and dispute a LOT of calcs. Also we examine stuff on a case by case basis, there being a precedent doesn't mean we should apply it without thinking ESPECIALLY if its contradictory and makes no sense within the context of the verse.
Timing also matters, if a new lookism chapter came out showing kid Gun blowing up a mountan and then every other character going forward starts blowing up mountains, that would be retroactive upscaling/retconning of strenght, and although I am not a fan of it personally, if kid Gun is consistently shown blowing up mountains and other characters start doing it as well, then obviously they are mountain level lol
The issue here is that the feat in question happened at the start of the series, and that FUTURE feats contradict this(you literally brought up relativistic Kid Johan as an example, because later on Akira who is way way way stronger than Kid Johan is only subsonic etc)
If relativistic kid Johan is a step too far for you and an obvious outlier, then why not class 50 BOS Questism?
Obviously not every calc inconsistency is an outlier
Otherwise we would need to remove most calcs from the lookism verse since we have multiple calcs of top tiers performing feats WEAKER than HFBD Vasco
Path Jinyoung unrionically has a calc that is LOWER than HFBD Vasco shattering a wrecking ball, but I am obviously not gonna argue that HFBD Vasco > Path Jinyoung lol
In this case the incosnsistency is reasonable because PTJ does not pixel measure and calc all of his feats, in his head Jinyoung's feat is more impressive than Vasco's feat even if mathematically that's not the case, and based on all the other supporting feats we have (Daniel and Kitae sending cars flying with the shockwaves of their punches) + narrative scaling, Path Jinyoung being stronger than Vasco and being large building level even though one of his calc's feats is weaker than HFBD Vasco in this case is NOT an inconsistency and makes sense because both the supporting calcs AND narrative support it (not to mention the calc of Jinyoung using the shingen copy, so Jinyoung also straight up just has a calc supporting that he scales that high rather than having to rely on chain scaling)
For Questism, we have the class 50 calc, do we have any other calcs or feats from within Questism to support class 50 BOS Questism being consistent, like lifting cars or tanks? (the way Doom from MK does, THAT is what a class 50 feat looks like) no we don't.
Ok so what's DO we have then? We have Gukja with way higher stats training by running in a forest with bricks in his backpack, which don't get me wrong is certainly impressive but I am not even sure it would count as superhuman levels of LS, let alone class 50 (I am aware he is doing stamina training not LS training so the bricks in his backpack are obviously not the max weight he can lift but if he is supposedly class 50 then those bricks wouldn't even feel like feathers lol he would need to run while carrying a truck on his back, similar to Zack training his stamina and endurance and LS by carrying around several ton Buddha statues)
We have Seok Kang uprooting a basketboll hoop which got calc's to 300kg not even superhuman (atp Seok GREATLY outscales the supposedly class 50 Syheon)
We have Choyun lifting up Jeongdu by the throat one handed, again superhuman but nowhere near class 50
My point is that we NEVER get anything remotely close to class 50 within questism from characters that could probably sneeze and evaporate someone with class S strenght, so why should we assume that this ONE feat and calc are more consistent that every other calc and feat in the verse? Especially since it directly contradicts nearly every other lookism LS calc and feat we have.
To give an analogy if we had a verse where every speed calc the verse had was subsonic, every speed feat performed was subsonic, every statement indicated said verse was subsonic, and then said verse somehow got ONE FTL calc, and then future feats and calcs went back to subsonic
Are we supposed to just ignore literally everything in favour of this ONE calc and feat? When the story, supporting calcs and feats contradict it? Simply because it 'upragdes' the verse???
I am aware that PTJ verse DOES have a consistent class 50 meta as well as class M and even K etc
But those are feats perfomed by characters that are narratively way above questism to such a degree that if they so much as looked at someone with S stats they would probably vaporize
And regarding ur weight class card arg then I've already explained how additional LS was being applied in every instance as the card also increases physical stats, notably strength stat in general thus increasing both AP and LS simultaneously.
This part I agreed with fair enough
I appreciate you answering my question on outliers, as I was genuinely curious
Ok next question, how.. DO you explain all the other LS feats we have? Like Seok pulling up a basketball hoop being calc'd at 300kg? Or Gukja training by carrying bricks in his backpack? Why are those feats less relaible? Why should we put more importance and emphasis on the class 50 and ignore every other calc and feat? Genuinely asking because that's kind of what you want us to do no? (Sorry if I am misunderstanding you)
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