Meliodas vs Lille Barro

[KamiYasha]

Actually, lille in his "True Form" never shot any attack with the X-Axis, he only shot Light Generation, Ray of Judgement and Trumpet.

 

[Dekoshu]

Well, how could Lille be disabled from using the X-Axis? A Quincy's Schrift ability is supposed to be enhanced, not traded in one thing for another. Like I said, he intentionally used those three attacks, and decided that simply blasting with the X-Axis, when the Captain Commander was still moving despite the unblockable shots clearly hitting in his previous forms, is not enough anymore.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

....Why would a character not be able to use their core ability in their strongest form?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Actually, lille in his "True Form" never shot any attack with the X-Axis, he only shot Light Generation, Ray of Judgement and Trumpet.

Because those attack have better AoE than his normal X-Axis.

 

[Tivanenk]

Actually, lille in his "True Form" never shot any attack with the X-Axis, he only shot Light Generation, Ray of Judgement and Trumpet.

Proof they do not have properties of the X-Axis?

 

[JiroUchiha9]

But do you have to exclude it? I know that when other Sternritter entered their named Volstandig, like Naak Le Vaar's Hassein or AS Nodt's Tartarforas that their Schrift was only enhanced. Not saying that means that Ray of Judgement, the Blood Sparks and Trompete are all X-Axis attacks, but I think it would be a bit weird to say that he has no access to his primary ability when he enters Jilliel or the Centaur bird owl long armed form that warped his personality

 

[Primaris_Brian]

But do you have to exclude it? I know that when other Sternritter entered their named Volstandig, like Naak Le Vaar's Hassein or AS Nodt's Tartarforas that their Schrift was only enhanced. Not saying that means that Ray of Judgement, the Blood Sparks and Trompete are all X-Axis attacks, but I think it would be a bit weird to say that he has no access to his primary ability when he enters Jilliel or the Centaur bird owl long armed form that warped his personality

It's basically just a better version of his normal X-Axis attacks.

 

[Dekoshu]

....Why would a character not be able to use their core ability in their strongest form?

I wasn't trying to say that. I was saying that because of a previous response somebody made. None of the Schrift used by the Sternritter have ever involuntarily inhibit their power when using Quincy: Vollstandig. In fact, all known Quincy: Vollstandig enhances their core abilities, not weakening it or limiting their usage.

 

[KamiYasha]

Lile didn't demostrate any X-Axis attack in his "true form".

I'm not saying that he can't, but he lacks of those wings with holes to shoot it.

Also, and mainly, lille in his true form has an exaggerated GOD COMPLEX.

So, he will be more prominent to use his Ray of Judgement.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Lile didn't demostrate any X-Axis attack in his "true form".
I'm not saying that he can't, but he lacks of those wings with holes to shoot it.

Also, and mainly, lille in his true form has an exaggerated GOD COMPLEX.

So, he will be more prominent to use his Ray of Judgement.

it's just his enchanted version of his normal X-Axis -_-

 

[KamiYasha]

it's just his enchanted version of his normal X-Axis -_-

Proof?

if that's true then his island level feat will be nullified.

 

[Tivanenk]

it's just his enchanted version of his normal X-Axis -_-

Proof?
if that's true then his island level feat will be nullified.

Proof that it isn't? Every single other Sternritter still had their Schrift when they went Vollstandig. Why would Barro lose it all of a sudden especially since it's the power given to him by Yhwach?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

it's just his enchanted version of his normal X-Axis -_-

Proof?
if that's true then his island level feat will be nullified.

Ughh...Every Quincy literally get upgraded attack on their normal ability when they were transformed, and his attack can ignore durability so his island lv feat is doesn't really mean much. -_-

 

[Dekoshu]

I checked on Lille's true form, and they, the wings themselves, clearly still have holes on them. He used The X-Axis shots in his inital Quincy: Vollstandig form with his wings.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Lille can also shoot normal quincy arrows from his gun, the one's the Nimaiya cut in half before he could used the X-Axis power and he didn't use them again in his other forms, a character doesn't have to use all of his tricks in a fight to show that he can. If he didn't use the X-Axis in his true form was because the "light" attacks had more range and destructive power than his X-Axis, why would he keep spaming the same attacks that didn't work againt's an enemy if he can use more powerful attacks? It doesn't make sence and we have to assume that he can use it because that intagibility of his is part of his X-Axis power. He said himself:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/TBD-646.0/compressed/s012.jpg

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/TBD-646.0/compressed/s013.jpg

If he can still use the X-Axis in his vollstandig as a defence with his intangibility, he can still use it to shoot as well. He just choose not too.

Or it means that he exchanges his offence to defence during his true form and he can no longer used it as an offence ability during that form.

My vote is on Meliodas again by the way.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

well he say when my eye was open that when he can use the true essence of X-Axis so I assume that is when he can use the true power of his X-Axis.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

....Why would a character not be able to use their core ability in their strongest form?

I wasn't trying to say that. I was saying that because of a previous response somebody made. None of the Schrift used by the Sternritter have ever involuntarily inhibit their power when using Quincy: Vollstandig. In fact, all known Quincy: Vollstandig enhances their core abilities, not weakening it or limiting their usage.

Not you bruh, Kami was the one i was talking to

 

[M11UTD]

so Barro wins ?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Probably, you can try to count the vote.

 

[Dekoshu]

I have to admit that Meliodas is quite formidable even for a demon, and not someone other than Lille Barro can just safely fight against.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I have to admit that Meliodas is quite formidable even for a demon, and not someone other than Lille Barro can just safely fight against.

Well see you defend him from Thread to Thread It seem like you really like Lille Barro huh? xD

or at least like his power.

 

[Dekoshu]

I truly love Lille Barro. But I also truly love Meliodas. It's just that realistically, they aren't just any leaders. Also, it's essentially a demon vs godly Quincy battle, and not the standard one. Full Counter is not something people want to arrogantly or overconfidently play around with, and Revenge Counter is too nasty to try to tank. Hellblaze is something somebody with Regenerationn and immunity of having their Regenerationn nullified would have to maintain it to deal with.

 

[RavenSupreme]

I participated pretty much in this debate - since the discussion went longer than expected and we got different approaches, ways of defeat/victory, possible scenarios, new threads and upgrade suggestions i stick with my initial opinion

Inconclusive, since Meliodas has little way to harm Lille via his own power, but Lille is at a massive speed disadvantage and may get his attack reflected back at him

 

[Primaris_Brian]

so can somebody here is counting the vote? or this is inconclusive battle based on argument?

 

[JiroUchiha9]

I just counted the votes again and unless I'm mistaken the tally is 7 Lille, 1 Meliodas 1 Inconclusive. If you guys want to double check that vote before closing this or adding it to anyone's pages, I'd recommend it incase i miscounted XD

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Probably wait a bit to see if there are other respons.

 

[RavenSupreme]

you should count who voted for who and list it for people to doublecheck.

keep in mind that "he wins lol" arguments do not count, since they are not according to rules

 

[JiroUchiha9]

I voted for Lille because of hax

Tivanenk voted for Lille due to hax

Gabriel 00 voted for Lille because of Intangibility/ hax

GreatestSin also voted for Lille due to hax/intangibility

Quincy Emperor voted for Lille due to hax

M11UTD voted for Lille because of hax again


Hokage Magna Vox voted for Mel, than Lille than back to mel

Raven Supreme remains inconclusive.

Not sure who KamiYasha and Dekoshu voted for because they never said who, although KamiYasha seemed to argue in Mel's favor.

SO it's 6-1-1 with 2 I can't really discern. Feel free to double check, i might have missed someone in all of the speed arguments and screens and such XD

 

[RavenSupreme]

actual votes for lille with reasoning

tivanenk

jirou

greatestsi

quincyemperor

notjimsterling

votes for lille without reasoning / 1 sentence vote

gabriel1

m11

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5 votes to count - 2 votes to being neglected

inconclusive votes with reasoning

rave

1 vote to count

actual votes for meliodas with reasoning

HokageMangaFox

1 vote to count

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neutral arguments / providing of informations / arguing in a characters favour without giving a clear vote (why would anyone do that?) / arguing for the match to be close(implied inconclusive)

alakabamm (neutral information providing)

themightyregulator (neutral)

colesworld12 (close match, inconclusive)

dekoshu (close match, leaning towards lille)

kamiyasha (information providing, leaning towards mel)

1 vote to count for inconclusive

1 vote to count for meliodas

1 vote to count for lille

final count:

lille: 6 votes to count

meliodas: 2 votes to count

inconclusive: 2 votes to count

-> 6 votes for lille / 4 votes for something else

 

[Primaris_Brian]

add me for lillie, my reason is pretty much the same as other lillie supporters that has mentioned above over and over again.

 

[Dekoshu]

I will vote for Lille Barro.

 

[RavenSupreme]

your votes have already been counted to lilles favour tho

 

[Dekoshu]

OK. Thank you. We need one more for Lille Barro.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Fine, i changed my vote for Lille, still i think Mel would have given him a good fight.

 

[RavenSupreme]

thats rather weird hokage, seeing you changed your vote for the 4th time now and this time its directly after someone said: we need one more vote. might come off as a vote to just end this thread (which i even would understand, seeing as its a neverending thread lol)

but im not sure how to put it

 

[HokageMangaVox]

thats rather weird hokage, seeing you changed your vote for the 4th time now and this time its directly after someone said: we need one more vote. might come off as a vote to just end this thread (which i even would understand, seeing as its a neverending thread lol)

but im not sure how to put it

Yeah, indeed it was so you could close the thread because even with 6 to 2 i don't see Mel winning this with votes. But in actual combat Mel wreckes birdman. But i'll be happy to change my vote back to Mel if another person votes for him before this is closed.

 

[RavenSupreme]

Thanks for clearing that up. I too am inclined to think that this thread should come to an end. However changing a vote just so it gets closed is nothing I like to support. The current listing says 6-3-1 or 6:4 for a victory for lille (Since the more I think of it the more I am persuaded Mel can take it rather than inconclusive)

So Yeha. A neverending story...Too close for comfort

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Bump.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Bump

 

[Kawaru_Shotomata]

Lille wins , nothing to meliodas can reflect