Mega Mewtwo, Deoxys, and Mega Rayquaza Upgrade

[WarriorWare]

Nah, I still say that all Pokemon profiles should be composites. While Mystery Dungeon is a separate universe, there's no reason to believe that Mewtwo would be stronger there.

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In fact, why does Mewtwo even exist in the Mystery Dungeon world? There are no humans there to create him.

 

[Unclechairman]

"In fact, why does Mewtwo even exist in the Mystery Dungeon world? There are no humans there to create him."

And that, friends, is why I say Mystery Dungeon should be considered a seperate universe.

"Nah, I still say that all Pokemon profiles should be composites. While Mystery Dungeon is a separate universe, there's no reason to believe that Mewtwo would be stronger there."

My rationale for excluding the Mystery Dungeon universe from the composite profiles is that it runs on blatantly different mechanics. For example, Snorlax has a high Special Attack stat in the Explorers series but low defense stats, which is completely different from the mainline games where his Special Attack stat is low, but his Special Defense stat is high.

 

[WarriorWare]

And to that I say, aim for the horn, Pikachu.

 

[Unclechairman]

And Thunderbolt being able to damage Roark's Onix, yet before was unable to damage a random trainer's Quagsire. Yes, it seems the anime is selective in whether or not it follows the rules set by the games.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

But isn't seperating anime or game versions of a character the same reasoning as seperating different versions of, say, something like, post-Frieza saga to pre-Android saga Goku in the different DBZ timelines/universes? They're all the same power even though in one instance, he dies one way, in one he dies another, and one he doesn't.

The reasoning for say Goku dying in one, and living in another, is the same as writing off a different version/instance of the same character (Mewtwo) because some minor things about the character, that don't relate to the "character" part of the individual, and rather the statistics of said character.

And about having different mechanics: They are different genres of the game series and universe. They have to be different for allot of reasons. Not just because the creators also believe that these "seperate" universe characters are actaully entirely different entities, or are the same with different strength and abilities. We should assume the only change in the serperate universes, is the same character, but with the addition of Pokémon recieving personification and thier own stories.

Same with the anime having different scaling for power or outright changing the power for certain characters. Pikachu getting weaker and stronger as the show goes on for an example, is a mechanic of Dragonball Z and other series. Either introducing new and stronger characters, or weakening current heroes to give old enemies relvance again. Or strengthening old ones. (Freiza)

 

[Unclechairman]

DBZ is a really bad example to use here as it explicitly takes place in a linear continuity in the same setting with the characters getting stronger as the series progresses (typical of shonen manga, it seems), unless you're talking about Future Goku, who died from the heart virus, in which case he's treated in-universe and by the fandom as a seperate character much like present Trunks and Future Trunks.

And DBZ has an explanation for why the characters get stronger. No good explanation is given for why Pikachu goes from struggling with a group of Taillow to winning against legendaries one-on-one and then going back to being on an even level with common Pokemon by the next saga. It's so egregious that the explanation the fandom has come up with is that Pikachu "de-levels" whenever the show transitions to a new saga, which is non-sensical, yet it's the best explanation anyone could come up with to my knowledge.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

There is an example and explanation but its much more of a theory/easter egg than canon that's acknowledged and posted offcially somewhere.

 

[ImagoDesattrolante]

Agreed with Ever.

 

[SomeGuyIDunno]

Well one factor that also has to be onsidered is Episode Delta establishing that Pokemon is a Multiverse, so whose to say the feats might/might not be comparable?

 

[Talonmask]

Is the "Mewtwo fights Deoxys" feat being accounted for or is it considered inconsistent?

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Considering they're both powerful legendaries, it surely isn't inconsistent.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

So can I get to upgrading and adding the dividers now?

 

[Unclechairman]

I'm fine with it, and Everlasting and Antvasima are too. I'd say you can go ahead.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Kay. Thanks.

 

[FictionalBlade101]

DBZ is a really bad example to use here as it explicitly takes place in a linear continuity in the same setting with the characters getting stronger as the series progresses (typical of shonen manga, it seems), unless you're talking about Future Goku, who died from the heart virus, in which case he's treated in-universe and by the fandom as a seperate character much like present Trunks and Future Trunks.
And DBZ has an explanation for why the characters get stronger. No good explanation is given for why Pikachu goes from struggling with a group of Taillow to winning against legendaries one-on-one and then going back to being on an even level with common Pokemon by the next saga. It's so egregious that the explanation the fandom has come up with is that Pikachu "de-levels" whenever the show transitions to a new saga, which is non-sensical, yet it's the best explanation anyone could come up with to my knowledge.

Actually yes there is. They do that to reset Pikachu's stats so that weaker characters that should be fodder before Ash are actually given relavance to BE strong. A perfect example of this is when Ash and Pikachu lose against Ash's NEWEST RIVAL Trip and his just newly required Snivy from episode 1 in the Unova saga. And in that very episode, the literal instant Ash and Pikachu step FOOT on Unova, Zekrom comes in seconds later and takes away all of Pikachu's electric type moves to weaken it with an electrical outburst or whatever. And this was just on the VERY first Unova episode lol. Even though Pikachu regained it's electric type moves in the very next episode, there's no specific evidence that can tell us Pikachu regained it's level of power BEFORE Zekrom took it away. And IIRC this happened in the Hoenn Saga too when Pikachu and Ash on the way to Hoenn, Pikachu became extremely ill from an electrical overload and Proffesor Burch (or Team Rocket) had to build a machine that was able to remove a lot of the elctricity inside Pikachu to make it feel better. This could also be another perfect example of Pikachu's power being lowered.