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Don’t know who would be effected Kevin would get a big upgrade tho as he sees both films and marvel comics as fiction along with all Disney properties like Simpsons Disney+ etc
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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Except Kahhori and maybe KEVIN, no one will get any upgrades.
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How ? she’s not even the strongest in the mcu and Kevin is getting upgraded lol he literally sees marvel comics and all of Disney as fiction and creates them along with the writers etc
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I've seen rumors that he was the one who changed Kamala Khan personal record in Marvel Comics to mutants according to MCU personal record
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her going to marvel comics would just affect her range right? would that be low outerversal or high outerversal dimensional travel (based on marvel comics multiverse cosmology or wtv)
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depends it’s possible marvel comics takes place in Loki tree
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Because they are not the same multiverse. As ByAsura said, they are different multiverses under the megaverse. And there is no justification and no reason to scale MCU multiverse characters to Comics multiverse characters. And that would be a huge outlier for the MCU.
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I think whoever affects the multiverse and is above TVA will get an upgrade as well since TVA is involved in marvel comics as well
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Asura knows nothing does he work for marvel ? he’s just assuming how the cosmology works when nothing has been said so far
And why would only she get upgraded her powers comes from the space stone characters like ultron and Wanda have all stones making it stronger then the 1 single stone that gave her powers as when combining the stones it amps the powers of each individually
And you can’t say it’s a huge outlier there’s no predetermined tier for any of these characters we don’t know how strong any of them are the writers flat out admitted they didn’t do justice to show how powerful watcher and ultron tiers are etc we only went off the information given but outliers physically aren’t possible for these characters tier
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where does the TvA actually stand in the mcu Hierarchy we’ve seen they can interact with the watcher and hero of the multiverseI think whoever affects the multiverse and is above TVA will get an upgrade as well since TVA is involved in marvel comics as well
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ByAsura's assumption is both makes sense and allows two different cosmologies to work properly.
You're right, it affects them too. But only their range.
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outside the multiverse, since they were unaffected by the explosion of the temporal loom that Loki destroyed, which is the infinite timeline, in other words, the multiverse
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What’s the argument around scaling the characters? If I can get a summary, I’ll check on it.
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An assumption is just an assumption TvA Comics implies they are inside Loki tree anyway the only way to get actual clarification would be to ask someone with marvel authority how the cosmology works
An infinity stone power/hax would be linked to its range as that’s part of its hax for the space stone especially when said range only comes from 1 stone when they are stronger together
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one of the characters (kahhori) has a comic where she ends up in the multiverse in mainstream marvel comics which in her comic appearance shes the same character from the mcu what if? series
and we discussed that her range could be upgraded to low outerversal or high outer based on that feat as well as some others’ who also have the same source of powers she has (the space stone) if what she did isn’t considered an outlier
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The other thing we need to check up on is the MCU exclusive version of the TVA (specifically the exclusive character from the MCU Miss Minutes being in it) explaining about the Sacred Timeline and such to Gwen.
If we assume by the comics about the MCU that the TVA did once affect the timelines, and based on the context that Gwen was hopping timelines in her comic and not Multiverses, then they'd probably end up 1-A if we cross-scale, as would Infinity Ultron and Uatu for scaling to the timelines. Wouldn't be that inconsistent considering how easily the comic Infinity Gauntlet stomps out Eternity.
If we assume they are parallel Multiverses and Gwen/Kahhori just so happened to crossover (which doesn't make sense in Gwen's case as the entire point from what I loosely remember was that she was hopping alternate realities, not alternate multiverses) , only KEVIN would scale, alongside others with range hax.
If we assume by the comics about the MCU that the TVA did once affect the timelines, and based on the context that Gwen was hopping timelines in her comic and not Multiverses, then they'd probably end up 1-A if we cross-scale, as would Infinity Ultron and Uatu for scaling to the timelines. Wouldn't be that inconsistent considering how easily the comic Infinity Gauntlet stomps out Eternity.
If we assume they are parallel Multiverses and Gwen/Kahhori just so happened to crossover (which doesn't make sense in Gwen's case as the entire point from what I loosely remember was that she was hopping alternate realities, not alternate multiverses) , only KEVIN would scale, alongside others with range hax.
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Anyone know when about they will release a F4 teaser trailer
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The space stone would need 1-A range if it could reach the comic's universe (which is confirmed.)
Also, the TVA did affect timelines; the Loki series showed that branched realities would become new timelines. If we're to take what she says seriously, then also consider her statement in S1E1 where she said that countless unique timelines were battling in the Multiversal War which could've resutled in the destruction of everything.
(And this scene shows "pruned timelines")
So all we'd need is evidence that the comics multiverse is just another unique timeline for possible 1-A scaling.
The TVA, Infinity Ultron, The Watcher, He Who Remains (via technology), Alioth and God Loki would get the major upgrades if it were accepted, but KEVIN is 100% getting upgraded (since the dude is literally viewing a megaverse with both the MCU + the comics in the real world.)
Also, the TVA did affect timelines; the Loki series showed that branched realities would become new timelines. If we're to take what she says seriously, then also consider her statement in S1E1 where she said that countless unique timelines were battling in the Multiversal War which could've resutled in the destruction of everything.
(And this scene shows "pruned timelines")
So all we'd need is evidence that the comics multiverse is just another unique timeline for possible 1-A scaling.
The TVA, Infinity Ultron, The Watcher, He Who Remains (via technology), Alioth and God Loki would get the major upgrades if it were accepted, but KEVIN is 100% getting upgraded (since the dude is literally viewing a megaverse with both the MCU + the comics in the real world.)
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All we'd need is the context that Gwen was traveling through alternate timelines/realities to confirm that the timelines involved are the comic timelines.
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That's absolutely nuts that they straight up confirmed it. What would this mean for the cosmology?
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wanda in what if immersive story aslo
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Spot's Range as well if we assume the timelines are comparable with the comic timelines. Whether he straight up becomes Tier 1 in the future will depend on what happens in Beyond the Spiderverse
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However, will scarlet witch in dr strange mom get a range boost to 1-A as well?
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No lol the entire plot of the film was she couldn’t even leave universes a sling ring has more range then her
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She already has a low complex multiversal range distance on her profile from destroying every book and castle of the darkhold in the infinite multiverse. You should check it out first
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Yeah and that’s called wank did you even watch the film she literally couldn’t even leave her universe and wanted to absorb America power just so she can do that
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according to the description of the comic the comic characters are just other characters in the multiverse from different universes/timelines
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That's right, what next? Are you saying you're going to remove the darkhold destruction range from her profile? Since the context is in a completely different space, she destroyed the darkhold using power from another dimension. Since she didn't go there herself but the power can affect it, does that mean she shouldn't have range distance?
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It means the dark hold destruction feat has more to it then just a plain feat either 1 it’s an outlier or two its something she can’t do normally or 3 nothing else scales but that 1 single move because to say she casually has that range would be to ignore the film the entire plot was to stop her from being able to travel the multiverse after absorbing America power there’s a reason she had to follow them by dream walking because her normal range is trash
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Well I'd like to hear from others who have more logic
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That’s the logic of the film you did watch it yes? Why do you think she needed America power if she had casual range to go anywhere she wanted ?
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i meann she was amped by the darkhold which allowed her to use multiversal spells like dreamwalking so its obviously clear its not something she can do normally
she has an ‘at peak’ rating for a reason bc in a crt they discussed that she can’t use her magic across the multiverse without the darkhold and she even told wong she needed the darkhold spells after losing it
so when she destroyed the darkhold where she was at the darkhold castle during the time which let her use the spells without the book so she would only be capable of doing such a thing with the range amp the darkhold gives her
she has an ‘at peak’ rating for a reason bc in a crt they discussed that she can’t use her magic across the multiverse without the darkhold and she even told wong she needed the darkhold spells after losing it
so when she destroyed the darkhold where she was at the darkhold castle during the time which let her use the spells without the book so she would only be capable of doing such a thing with the range amp the darkhold gives her
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She had the dark hold even before that feat and before she lost it she was still chasing America for her powers meaning there’s something more to that feat then we know
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yeah maybe
well like the darkhold also makes her nuts and evil so the only thing she had in mind before that and destroying the darkhold (before when she broke free of its corruption) was to snatch her n take her powers so idk
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She can't go anywhere as she pleases. I'm just saying that her power range can destroy the book and darkhold castle in the infinite multiverse be periodic even if it's just power sent to infinite universes?
And you try to deny it by saying it's outlier while her profile already says it's low complex multiversal. If you don't agree then you should create a CRT to downgrade it
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So what are we doing about the comics?
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it would be nice if kahhori mentions her adventures in the comics universe when she shows up in the new season of what if but shes likely not gonna say anything abt it i fear-
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Well, it's stated in the "100 Objects from Marvel Studios" that she broke free from the Darkhold's influence and used the dark magic from it to destroy Darkholds and Mount Wungadore's in other universes. Said 'dark magic' draws upon energies from other dimensions.
I'm pretty sure the implication is that she can use that power by the end of the film as she pleases, however, it comes at a great cost.
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