MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[Naeem0304]

They’ve Existed for a while this site just Ignores them

And so far Arishem best feat making big bang doesn’t compare

I'll find some other scans (I'm currently looking through the Infinity War and Endgame Art Books.)

 

[darkphantom9805]

I'll find some other scans (I'm currently looking through the Infinity War and Endgame Art Books.)

I 100% bet there is more scans social media statements etc other then what I posted but to deny Stormbreaker the most clear cut scaling ever is just ridiculous at this point it’s literally only planet level on this site

I’ve seen this running around online I don’t know the origin tho

If you find anything different at all you or me need make the thread and ill help argue and support because I know it’s very controversial on this site

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Well, despite my initial refusal, I'm not entirely against the idea itself. It's just we need very solid proofs and not vague statements like "the strongest weapon in the universe" which really could mean anything (I mean, if there's a setting where the only weapons available are knives, then a gun technically is the strongest weapon in the universe know what I mean) and I'm skeptical but if we do have solid evidences of this, then let's go (assuming we manage to make a thread)

 

[darkphantom9805]

Well, despite my initial refusal, I'm not entirely against the idea itself. It's just we need very solid proofs and not vague statements like "the strongest weapon in the universe" which really could mean anything (I mean, if there's a setting where the only weapons available are knives, then a gun technically is the strongest weapon in the universe know what I mean) and I'm skeptical but if we do have solid evidences of this, then let's go (assuming we manage to make a thread)

The thing is it’s not vague ("Look at how powerful this axe (Stormbreaker) is. The man who made the Gauntlet and the axe, provided Thor with the weapon that could defeat the Gauntlet.") the Thanos killing kind

Like actually tell me that’s not the most direct a statement can get even with the context of the story it fits thanos has obtained multiple infinity stones Thor calls him to powerful to stop so they need to go to Nidavellir to craft a weapon capable of beating thanos and his gauntlet

Thor : Only Eitri the Dwarf can make me the weapon I need.

The best part Stormbreaker has absolutely 0 anti feats it’s never been damaged at all meaning nobody can disprove the statements only deny that they exist

 

[Naeem0304]

I 100% bet there is more scans social media statements etc other then what I posted but to deny Stormbreaker the most clear cut scaling ever is just ridiculous at this point it’s literally only planet level on this site

I’ve seen this running around online I don’t know the origin tho

If you find anything different at all you or me need make the thread and ill help argue and support because I know it’s very controversial on this site

If that's the official script then that would be the best evidence tbh.

 

[darkphantom9805]

If that's the official script then that would be the best evidence tbh.

I don’t know how to confirm if it’s real or not I’m just looking for as many scans as possible tho before the thread gets made because there’s going to be some crazy mental gymnastics to stop this upgrade like the Stormbreaker being made to counter a base gauntlet with no infinity stones all over again

So any scan helps

 

[RoTt35]

I mean, those statements would just put Stormbreaker above other weapons like the Hadron Enforcer (5-C) or the Necrosword (5-B+) as we currently scale it. The IG by itself is just a device capable of channeling the energy/power of the Infinity Stones, like the Mark 85 which is only High 6-B+. And the Infinity Stones aren't weapons as such, they are the physical embodiments of concepts that predate the universe. So without more direct scans I don't think you'll get anything

 

[darkphantom9805]

I mean, those statements would just put Stormbreaker above other weapons like the Hadron Enforcer (5-C) or the Necrosword (5-B+) as we currently scale it. The IG by itself is just a device capable of channeling the energy/power of the Infinity Stones, like the Mark 85 which is only High 6-B+. And the Infinity Stones aren't weapons as such, they are the physical embodiments of concepts that predate the universe. So without more direct scans I don't think you'll get anything

The infinity gauntlet is a weapon not just a device said weapon was designed to harness and use the infinity stones as a weapon to be able to do the snap and your explicitly ignoring that part of the weapon its like saying you built something to counter a gun with no bullets the axe was made to defeat the gauntlet a weapon/device which can harness the power of all 6 it was made to defeat all 6 stones

Literally everything you just stated is ignoring everything including this

("Look at how powerful this axe (Stormbreaker) is. The man who made the Gauntlet and the axe, provided Thor with the weapon that could defeat the Gauntlet.")

That is quite literally the most direct you could ever get of a statement as it’s directly stated to defeat the infinity gauntlet right after it overpowers it on screen you just have to open your eyes and not blindly ignore them and use mental gymnastics to pretend it doesn’t exist

If that's the official script then that would be the best evidence tbh.

See a thread hasn’t even been made and this type of stuff that happens the gauntlet doesn’t count as a weapon so all statements are invalid it’s like saying bullets don’t count as the weapon for a gun the axe was made to counter the gauntlet and it’s stones

 

[RoTt35]

The IG being able to channel the power of the stones doesn't mean much, the Mark 85 did the same. Even the Marvel Website claims that the IG is an item, and btw it also states that it's the most powerful item in the universe. Also, it's not that hard, you could have saved several of your comments.

 

[darkphantom9805]

The IG being able to channel the power of the stones doesn't mean much, the Mark 85 did the same. Even the Marvel Website claims that the IG is an item, and btw it also states that it's the most powerful item in the universe. Also, it's not that hard, you could have saved several of your comments.

Marvel.com is irrelevant you’ve literally had downgrades denied despite what it states meaning information is not always correct + they have state some goofy things before

And yes it does because that’s where the gauntlet power comes from how much power it can draw from the stones again do you know the definition of a weapon? If it can cause harm to someone it’s a weapon I’ll say it again your ignoring

("Look at how powerful this axe (Stormbreaker) is. The man who made the Gauntlet and the axe, provided Thor with the weapon that could defeat the Gauntlet.")

This is the Russo bros after watching Thor overpower all 6 infinity stones and when they were asked how their reply is it’s the greatest weapon ever made

The most clear cut direct statement you can get it’s not hard to actually not ignore clear cut statements or no

 

[Dinobot1996]

I did some digging, and apparently there are at least two books that describe the Infinity Gauntlet as a weapon.

The Marvel Studios Visual Dictionary describes the Infinity Gauntlet as a mighty weapon:

The recent book Marvel Studios 100 Objects: Iconic Artifacts from the MCU describes the Infinity Gauntlet with all six Infinity Stones as a weapon of unparalleled power, and that Thanos eliminated the Dwarves and extinguished the forge of Nidavellir specifically to prevent another comparable weapon from being made:

Make of that what you will.

 

[darkphantom9805]

I did some digging, and apparently there are at least two books that describe the Infinity Gauntlet as a weapon.

The Marvel Studios Visual Dictionary describes the Infinity Gauntlet as a mighty weapon:

The recent book Marvel Studios 100 Objects: Iconic Artifacts from the MCU describes the Infinity Gauntlet with all six Infinity Stones as a weapon of unparalleled power, and that Thanos eliminated the Dwarves and extinguished the forge of Nidavellir specifically to prevent another comparable weapon from being made:

Make of that what you will.

Nice now dig some more and find anything else on Stormbreaker being above it so I can make the thread and put this lowball to rest I need as many statements I can get cause I know there will be some crazy mental gymnastics to deny the upgrade when I make it

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Wasn't it stated somewhere Stormbreaker was made specifically to counter the power of IG (with all Stones) at one point so it's not really a matter of raw power but a matter of properties?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Wasn't it stated somewhere Stormbreaker was made specifically to counter the power of IG (with all Stones) at one point so it's not really a matter of raw power but a matter of properties?

It looks like it was screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely who made such a statement in an interview.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

It looks like it was screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely who made such a statement in an interview.

So how should that be handled? Do we consider it valid or was it debunked?

 

[Dinobot1996]

So how should that be handled? Do we consider it valid or was it debunked?

I'm not entirely sure.

If you go by the page from the Marvel Studios 100 Objects: Iconic Artifacts from the MCU book I posted stating both that the Infinity Gauntlet is a weapon of unparalleled power but also that the forge could potentially create another weapon of comparable power, it might be possible to argue that Stormbreaker is comparable, but not quite on the same level as the Gauntlet, with the screenwriter statements accounting for the remaining difference.

 

[Naeem0304]

The recent book Marvel Studios 100 Objects: Iconic Artifacts

1. Interesting; I'll look over this book to find any relevant information.

 

[Naeem0304]

Okay found some minor scans from the book:

• It states that Thor's thundering strike on Captain America's shield in Avengers 1 "levels hundreds of acres of surrounding forest." (That's about a mile of forest)
• Mjolnir was confirmed by the book to be able to transform into an umbrella (from Thor Ragnarök) to disguise itself, so that should qualify it for a new hax ability.

I'm going to head to my nearest Barnes and Nobles tomorrow and just screenshot information from both there and any other MCU books that haven't had information posted here or elsewhere yet.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Wasn't it stated somewhere Stormbreaker was made specifically to counter the power of IG (with all Stones) at one point so it's not really a matter of raw power but a matter of properties?

It was taken out of context not once is it actually stated to nullify to infinity gauntlet counter can mean many things counter it through raw power etc it was enchanted by the same guy who created it to overpower his other creation to defeat the gauntlet and counter it through raw power which is why those writers states it slices through the power of the gauntlet and the Russo states it could’ve counters it through other ways rather then raw power in that situation

("Look at how powerful this axe (Stormbreaker) is. The man who made the Gauntlet and the axe, provided Thor with the weapon that could defeat the Gauntlet.")

in fact the nullification is head canon and contradicted as Russo states the gauntlet could’ve done something if it was used differently instead of raw power like take advantage of its hax abilities which wouldn’t be possible if it outright nullified the stones the Russo wouldn’t constantly hype up how powerful the axe is like look how powerful this axe is if it was just nullification

 

[Naeem0304]

Okay y'all, I bought the 100 Marvel Artifacts book. Prepare for a ton of scans to be dropped

 

[Naeem0304]

Scepter/Mind Stone scans

The scepter also channels its energy to create a force field as a barrier from pro- jectiles such as bullets. Most intriguingly, the scepter can subtly convey its energy into a living being, achieving a mind-controlling effect—as proven by the uncharacteristic behavior of Dr. Erik Selvig, Agent Clint Barton, and others selected by Loki. The scepter’s mind-controlling capabilities do not necessarily require direct contact with a victim; they also appear to work when the artifact is in close proximity, as shown when its presence creates tension between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark, and agitation in Bruce Banner. Additionally, the scepter serves as a mental conduit between Loki and the Other, Thanos’ loyal servant, even when there is considerable physical distance between them.

• The Mind Stone and Chitauri Scepter should qualify for Forcefield Creation and Madness Manipulation.

Celestials

Sersi is one of the Eternals. These immortal heroes have been dispatched by the Celestials (the highest level of energy that forms a being in the galaxy) to protect humankind on Earth by eliminating the Deviants, a predatory species.

• Celestials have the "highest level of energy that forms a being in the galaxy."

Hela

Only the destruction of her power source—Asgard itself—could prevent her bringing death to every realm. To achieve the nullification of Hela, Loki combined Surtur’s crown with the Eternal Flame, immediately unleashing Ragnarok. Asgard was consumed—a tragic but necessary end that scotched Hela’s horrific ambitions. The fate of the Eternal
Flame post-Ragnarok is a mystery.

• It's stated that Hela can only be 'nullified' through the destruction of Asgard. Therefore, she should qualify for Immortality Type 8 (Reliant Immortality.)

Stormbreaker

Stormbreaker was designed by the Dwarves of Nidavellir to serve as the most powerful Asgardian weapon. However, the battle-ax was not completed until forged by Thor’s special request in 2018. This task required the reignition of an ancient forge, which had lain dormant after Thanos raided the planet to compel the Dwarves to craft the all-powerful Infinity Gauntlet. After this task had been completed, Thanos massacred the Dwarvian population to the verge of extinction, leaving only Eitri alive.

• 'Serve as the most powerful Asgardian weapon' (in relation to it's inception/design), with the sentence continuing by saying that it was delayed of it's creation without any mention of the Infinity Gauntlet being it's superior implies to the fact that Stormbreaker is more powerful than the Base Gauntlet.

Infinity Gauntlet/Stones

The gauntlet seems to possess a magnetic quality, as the stones do not require to be placed in their intended nooks but rather float and fuse into place when in close proximity to the gauntlet.

• The Infinity Gauntlet should have Magnetism Manipulation.

With the acquisition of the Mind Stone—and the resultant death of Vi- sion—Thanos’ mission is almost complete. In a last desperate bid to stop the Titan, Thor hurls Stormbreaker at him. It strikes Thanos in the chest and not the head, and Thanos shrugs off the injury thanks to the power of the Infinity Gauntlet.

• The full Infinity Gauntlet allowed Thanos to 'shrug off the injury', which should qualify for Supernatural Willpower.

Determined to somehow reverse the Snap, the remaining Avengers embark on a time-traveling mission via a Quantum Tunnel to retrieve the
Infinity Stones from different points in history and alter Thanos’ future actions.

• The infinity stone's placement in parallel universes are considered "points in history".

And I established the Time Stone as having Existence Erasure in my previous CRT:

Tampering with the Eye is extremely dangerous. It can cause branches in time, unstable dimensional openings, spatial paradoxes, and time loops. It can even erase an unwitting user from existence.

Source: MCU Visual Dictionary (Page here)

• Possible Existence Erasure (History Level) via all six Infinity Stones.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Yokoahh5743]

What does everyone think about this match It's rather unfair, isn't it?

 

[Dinobot1996]

A couple random things from the Phase Two: Marvel's Captain America: The Winter Soldier novel:

Each of the Helicarriers used by HYDRA was as powerful as an entire navy, with their combined firepower described as a barrage unlike anything ever seen before:

A desperate Sam Wilson was able to sprint faster than Steve's jogging speed:

 

[Naeem0304]

A couple random things from the Phase Two: Marvel's Captain America: The Winter Soldier novel:

Each of the Helicarriers used by HYDRA was as powerful as an entire navy, with their combined firepower described as a barrage unlike anything ever seen before:

A desperate Sam Wilson was able to sprint faster than Steve's jogging speed:

A. Probably makes them City Block level then (I don't think they are accounting for conventional warheads, but if they are then it'd be Large Town Level.)

B. THAT'S INSANE. So that's blatantly Superhuman/Subsonic travel speed.

 

[Dinobot1996]

According to Marvel's Captain America: Civil War: The Junior Novel, the gauntlets used by Crossbones make his punches ten times stronger:

As his gauntlets scale to characters on Captain America's level, that means that Crossbones on his own (and by extension, basically all other peak human characters including Sam Wilson, who briefly fought with and took hits from Rumlow despite being at a disadvantage) should scale to a tenth of the 1.232 ton value used for Super Soldiers, so 0.1232 tons for peak humans (Still 9-A, but notably higher than their current value) This is extremely close to baseline 9-A+ (0.1275 tons) so anyone who upscales from 9-A peak humans (which should include the likes of Jessica Jones and She-Hulk among others) should be able to upscale to 9-A+, as it would only be a 1.035x increase.

A. Probably makes them City Block level then (I don't think they are accounting for conventional warheads, but if they are then it'd be Large Town Level.)

B. THAT'S INSANE. So that's blatantly Superhuman/Subsonic travel speed.

Going by the movie statement of Steve jogging 13 miles in 30 minutes around the National Mall, that should translate to 26 mph (11.623 m/s) That is very high into Peak Human speed, and close to Superhuman, which starts at 27.805118 mph (12.43 m/s). Sam running faster than that should put his sprinting speed at 'At least Peak Human', or possibly baseline Superhuman if upscaling is considered acceptable.

 

[Naeem0304]

According to Marvel's Captain America: Civil War: The Junior Novel, the gauntlets used by Crossbones make his punches ten times stronger:

As his gauntlets scale to characters on Captain America's level, that means that Crossbones on his own (and by extension, basically all other peak human characters including Sam Wilson, who briefly fought with and took hits from Rumlow despite being at a disadvantage) should scale to a tenth of the 1.232 ton value used for Super Soldiers, so 0.1232 tons for peak humans (Still 9-A, but notably higher than their current value) This is extremely close to baseline 9-A+ (0.1275 tons) so anyone who upscales from 9-A peak humans (which should include the likes of Jessica Jones and She-Hulk among others) should be able to upscale to 9-A+, as it would only be a 1.035x increase.


Going by the movie statement of Steve jogging 13 miles in 30 minutes around the National Mall, that should translate to 26 mph (11.623 m/s) That is very high into Peak Human speed, and close to Superhuman, which starts at 27.805118 mph (12.43 m/s). Sam running faster than that should put his sprinting speed at 'At least Peak Human', or possibly baseline Superhuman if upscaling is considered acceptable.

Makes sense. I was wondering if it meant he could run faster than Captain America's jogging speed in Civil War (he ran closer to like 51 m/s or something there) but Peak Human/Superhuman here works 100%.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Woke up from a nap after work. Decided to instantly choose violence because I felt like it.

• All the MCU should be downgraded. Lore doesn't matter, only on-screen feats so everyone should be tier 8. Reason: because people like the MCU and I like making people unhappy.
• Michael B. Jordan, Chadwick Boseman and Downey Jr are bad actors.
• Thanos is a lame villain. The real great villains of the MCU are Ivan Vanko, Karli Morgenthau and whoever the villain in The Marvels and Black Widow were.
• Loki and What if are pretty popular series. Therefore, all their profiles must be deleted.
• Black Widow has the best CGI in the whole verse. IW, Endgame and Eternals are awful by comparison.
• Sharon is right to betray everyone. Also, she should have recieved Cap's shield. Because.
• MCU Taskmaster is a great character and better than the main version.

Now I'm going to tell DC fans Jesse Eisenberg and Jared Leto were perfect as Luthor and the Joker and force DB fans to admit Dragon Ball Evolution was a great movie. And after that, I'll tell the Riordan fans the Percy Jackson movies were good. Probably going to start some political debates along the way to.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Woke up from a nap after work. Decided to instantly choose violence because I felt like it.

• All the MCU should be downgraded. Lore doesn't matter, only on-screen feats so everyone should be tier 8. No reason.
• Michael B. Jordan, Chadwick Boseman and Downey Jr are bad actors.
• Thanos is a lame villain. The real great villains of the MCU are Ivan Vanko, Karli Morgenthau and whoever the villain in The Marvels and Black Widow were.
• Loki and What if are pretty popular series. Therefore, all their profiles must be deleted.
• Black Widow has the best CGI in the whole verse. IW, Endgame and Eternals are awful by comparison.
• Sharon is right to betray everyone. Also, she should have recieved Cap's shield. Because.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to tell DC fans Jesse Eisenberg and Jared Leto were perfect as Luthor and the Joker and force DB fans to admit Dragon Ball Evolution was a great movie.

Who hurt you ?

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Woke up from a nap after work. Decided to instantly choose violence because I felt like it.

• All the MCU should be downgraded. Lore doesn't matter, only on-screen feats so everyone should be tier 8. No reason.
• Michael B. Jordan, Chadwick Boseman and Downey Jr are bad actors.
• Thanos is a lame villain. The real great villains of the MCU are Ivan Vanko, Karli Morgenthau and whoever the villain in The Marvels and Black Widow were.
• Loki and What if are pretty popular series. Therefore, all their profiles must be deleted.
• Black Widow has the best CGI in the whole verse. IW, Endgame and Eternals are awful by comparison.
• Sharon is right to betray everyone. Also, she should have recieved Cap's shield. Because.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to tell DC fans Jesse Eisenberg and Jared Leto were perfect as Luthor and the Joker and force DB fans to admit Dragon Ball Evolution was a great movie.

I better see those actual posts when you make them...

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

All the MCU should be downgraded. Lore doesn't matter, only on-screen feats so everyone should be tier 8. Reason: because people like the MCU and I like making people unhappy.

I support this

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

looking ass lmnl

 

[Raincutter]

It’s nice that with 2 guidebook statements we might be able to establish that a gauntlet that fires blasts, rips out souls, and can destroy the universe is, technically, dare I say, a weapon

 

[Raincutter]

On a serious note, it's nice that Wanda finally got high 3-A. So much headcanon surrounded the pretty straightforward Darkhold feat, especially that note about it being hax lmao

 

[darkphantom9805]

It’s nice that with 2 guidebook statements we might be able to establish that a gauntlet that fires blasts, rips out souls, and can destroy the universe is, technically, dare I say, a weapon

it only becomes not a weapon because Stormbreaker is involved lol

 

[Dinobot1996]

In addition to the novel statements on the Project Insight Helicarriers, a VFX article has this to say about them:

But in terms of VFX, it's all about the next-gen helicarrier (known as "Project Insight"): a tech marvel and the ultimate super weapon that can stay up in orbit and target and kill about a million victims at once.

The helicarrier is about a quarter larger than its predecessor: 1,400-feet-long, and designed with more powerful Phalanx guns (14 scattered around the deck with 70-foot barrels and 2-foot shells) along with a nifty surveillance dome. It's like a modern version of a broadside pirate ship, only they replaced the turbines with a more powerful Stark Repulsor engine.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Only 2 more weeks until we get s3

 

[darkphantom9805]

Are these new celestials the watcher is hanging out with ?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Are these new celestials the watcher is hanging out with ?

or they are Aspirants

 

[darkphantom9805]

or they are Aspirants

Interesting that they are hanging with the watcher