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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

darkphantom9805 said:
the script says he’s sealing them so yes

In the marvels we are told This

"She tore a hole in space time"...."Can we fix that"..."in theory you and carol can produce the same amount of energy that was used to open it, ill absorb it, and release it but from inside the tear"

And This

"wait you want us to blast you with the same amount of power that punch a hole in the fabric of space time"... "if we want to unpunch it.. yeah"

Meaning it took minimum carol levels of powers for dr strange to perform his feat
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Should I make this CRT with my own There shouldn't be any damage, right?
 
A few things I've seen brought up elsewhere:

Taika Waititi described Odin as one of the most powerful beings in the universe while explaining why his death scene in Ragnarok was reshot:
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All-Black the Necrosword and Hela's Necroswords might have a link between them. Or maybe not.


An article on the Marvel website from 2020 seems to side with Odin stating that Awakened Thor is stronger than him:
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I have no idea where that comes from. Nothing in their behavior suggests they feared him, yeah they didn't try to fight him but that doesn't mean anything without clear statements. To me, they were just curious or maybe surprised at what just happened but that's it. Celestials are creatures that build entire galaxies by themselves, it's the same as with Arishem not destroying Earth for killing Tiamut, it'd just be useless and vindicative revenge which obviously they're way above, they just don't see the point and that's it.

Unless there's a clear statement from a novelization or concept art or someone, anything concrete, Celestial fearing Thor is just speculation (and I would love for Thor to get much stronger but nothing indicates Celestials fear Thor in any way) and we can't and shouldn't use it for scaling
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
I have no idea where that comes from. Nothing in their behavior suggests they feared him, yeah they didn't try to fight him but that doesn't mean anything without clear statements. To me, they were just curious or maybe surprised at what just happened but that's it. Celestials are creatures that build entire galaxies by themselves, it's the same as with Arishem not destroying Earth for killing Tiamut, it'd just be useless and vindicative revenge which obviously they're way above, they just don't see the point and that's it.

Unless there's a clear statement from a novelization or concept art or someone, anything concrete, Celestial fearing Thor is just speculation (and I would love for Thor to get much stronger but nothing indicates Celestials fear Thor in any way) and we can't and shouldn't use it for scaling
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They aren’t curious their boss is there Zeus the leader of omnipotent city home of the most powerful gods celestials in general don’t stand down unless powerful forces are at play their leader Zeus was taken out they stood down because they knew they couldn’t take Thor assuming anything else is speculation

Arishrem literally stated he would see if they are worthy to live if not he’s going to destroy them which would lead to eternals 2 if we ever get that

Celestials aren’t just creatures they are creation gods Gorr is a stated a cosmic threat was a threat to all gods which includes celestials and was stated to be able to kill any god which includes celestials thor is already up there with the most powerful gods

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While there doesn't seem to be anything outright stating that the Celestials were specifically scared of Thor, it is rather peculiar that the movie never treats the Celestials as a special case among the gods of Omnipotence City. Thor never singles out any Celestials when bringing up gods he wants to recruit to fight Gorr, and even if we assume Thor is only mentioning gods he thinks would be easier to convince/is more familiar with, Zeus also seemed legitimately concerned about the threat that Gorr posed to the gods of Omnipotence City with the Necrosword, even outright stating "he could kill us". Not once are the Celestials brought up as some sort of exception that could stomp Gorr.
 
Dinobot1996 said:
While there doesn't seem to be anything outright stating that the Celestials were specifically scared of Thor, it is rather peculiar that the movie never treats the Celestials as a special case among the gods of Omnipotence City. Thor never singles out any Celestials when bringing up gods he wants to recruit to fight Gorr, and even if we assume Thor is only mentioning gods he thinks would be easier to convince/is more familiar with, Zeus also seemed legitimately concerned about the threat that Gorr posed to the gods of Omnipotence City with the Necrosword, even outright stating "he could kill us". Not once are the Celestials brought up as some sort of exception that could stomp Gorr.
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Thor doesn't single out Celestials because they're not the focus and because he's busy gushing about Zeus. It has nothing to do with power levels. In fact, Thor's whole idea was to gather an army of gods, as in gods in general. He never mentionned any god in particular except for Zeus, he wanted other gods to joing him no matter who they are. Zeus being concerned about Gorr is entirely logical, even taking aside the fact this Zeus is a coward, it's based on him having the Necrosword, a weapon specifically made to kill gods. It's like a group of people being armed with spears fearing a guy with a gun, it's not because the guy is strong but because he has something that makes him more deadly than the rest. When Zeus says "he could kill us", yes, he could. Because he has a sword that specifically kills gods. That's not exactly the same as "if he gets there, he will single-handedly massacre all gods in mere minutes all by himself".

And, above everything else, the Celestials don't do anything because they're the same as Minerva or Bastet: they're cameos. They have no particular role in the story, even as background like Dionysus has. They have no expression and nothing in their body language suggests they're afraid of Thor in ANY possible way. When they move, they just look at him and that's it, they're not visibly trying to get out of the way, they're not panicking or anything.
darkphantom9805 said:
They aren’t curious their boss is there Zeus the leader of omnipotent city home of the most powerful gods celestials in general don’t stand down unless powerful forces are at play their leader Zeus was taken out they stood down because they knew they couldn’t take Thor assuming anything else is speculation
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Zeus is not their boss, Celestials have no boss aside from Arishem. The whole point of the Celestials is that they exist solely to build new planets, suns and galaxies to expand the universe, they don't care about the rest of the living beings in the MCU. Two Celestials being there doesn't mean Zeus is their boss. Hell, if Celestials were under Zeus's authority, why Arishem isn't there? He's the leader of the Celestials, if Celestials fall under Zeus's authority, then their greatest representative should be there. Quetzalcóatl is the top god of the Aztec pantheon yet he's there and reveres Zeus, meaning he sees Zeus as above him and his pantheon. If that was the case for Celestials, why would Arishem not do the same? Simple: Celestials don't fall under Zeus's authority.

Also, Arishem didn't do anything about Thanos and even ordered the Eternals to do the same, meaning Celestials weren't afraid of Thanos, yet they're afraid of Gorr? Creation gods capable of building galaxies don't care when an alien threatens to annihilate half of the universe yet somehow, those same creation gods would be afraid of a guy who "only" target gods, which is definitely lower on the threat ladder?

Yeah, and saying they're afraid of Thor is MASSIVE speculation to.
darkphantom9805 said:
Arishrem literally stated he would see if they are worthy to live if not he’s going to destroy them which would lead to eternals 2 if we ever get that
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Yes he said that, and he also said that he would judge them first. It's not about retribution it's about analyzing and finding what he can do with this unseen situation. It's pragmatism, understanding the new situation that arises and trying to get some benefit out of it. If he wanted to destroy Earth, he would have done it instantly. It has nothing to do with power or fearing anything. Again, Arishem is far too logic and pragmatic for that.
darkphantom9805 said:
Celestials aren’t just creatures they are creation gods Gorr is a stated a cosmic threat was a threat to all gods which includes celestials and was stated to be able to kill any god which includes celestials thor is already up there with the most powerful gods

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The pic there is just the general idea of the plot of the movie. It's like saying "Villain wants to kill the planet, the heroes must stop him". Gorr is able to kill gods because he has the Necrosword, not because he's above all gods. Heck, the whole plot of the movie is that he wants to reach Eternity to end all gods at once, not killing them by himself. The movie clearly tells us he only recently started to kill gods, all the gods he killed were minor deities and when he finally goes against even relatively strong gods like Valkyrie, he struggles in terms of actual strength and skills (Valkyrie needs the Thunderbolt to fight him but that's because the weapon itself is strong enough to fight the Necrosword, in terms of skills she's a match for him and he has to use dirty tactics to stab her and that's AFTER he struggled to fight). Even knowing Thor is above most characters in the MCU, Val is way weaker than him, yet Gorr struggles against her even with the sword. Unless you want to tell me that means Valkyrie > Celestials, which would be stupid. It's the same thing as with Thanos, he was a threat to the universe because he wanted the IS to kill half of it and was willing to commit horrors to do so, not because he was so powerful he was above everyone else to the point he could straight-up massacre every single person in the MCU by himself. Anyone would consider a threat to the world a guy who would try to get a nuke and detonate it in the middle of New York, that doesn't mean he can slaughter everyone trying to stop him on his own.

Again, I'm 100% for Thor getting some major power boost but it has to be based on some clear feats and statements or at least something close enough that it can reasonably assumed it's the case. Two characters with no speaking role, simply looking at another, with nothing to clearly establish what they think or feel, and speculating about their behavior is definitely not in this category. We NEED more to justify scaling, ESPECIALLY something as big as this.
 
Dinobot1996 said:
While there doesn't seem to be anything outright stating that the Celestials were specifically scared of Thor, it is rather peculiar that the movie never treats the Celestials as a special case among the gods of Omnipotence City. Thor never singles out any Celestials when bringing up gods he wants to recruit to fight Gorr, and even if we assume Thor is only mentioning gods he thinks would be easier to convince/is more familiar with, Zeus also seemed legitimately concerned about the threat that Gorr posed to the gods of Omnipotence City with the Necrosword, even outright stating "he could kill us". Not once are the Celestials brought up as some sort of exception that could stomp Gorr.
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This means the ten rings could even kill a celestial sense it was stated to be a god killing weapon and celestials are gods
 
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(MCU) Wenwu and Shang chi upgrade

First things first I don’t have scan of the exact text but Heimdall had this to say about the ten rings (Heimdal): “There is one in possession of a great power. Ten rings that could even destroy a god.” this is important to note as the last god killing weapon we have seen was the Necrosword and...
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One day I’ll get some mods in here
 
The trailer had someone blast Deadpool and Wolverine down a street and into a building can someone zoom in and see who it was by the sling portal


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Looks like theres sonic booms on cap when hes flying in the brave new world trailer

It also looks like he flies through some kind of military jet without taking any damage
 
Not 100% sure if relevant, but:

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Question about Wanda [MCU]

There's something about Wanda that's been bothering me. The first of these is that Wanda was given the existence erasure hax because she destroyed the darkholds, the existence erasure hax should be destroyed at a level that leaves nothing behind, beyond deconstruction, evaporation and...
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Was wondering if anyone here would be willing to help address the topic(s) of that thread, please?
 
darkphantom9805 said:
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IIRC, fishing or pestering creators for VSBW related info on social media is frowned upon.

This may need to be ensured that it was part of acceptable social media interaction to be used, since otherwise, it could be considered info gained in a bad faith/exploitative manner.
 
Imaginym said:
This may need to be ensured that it was part of acceptable social media interaction to be used, since otherwise, it could be considered info gained in a bad faith/exploitative manner.
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This guy has been used before for other stuff on this site

And using common logic is it scales to IW suit tony made both suits at exact same time they even worked on it together
 
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