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Spider-Man (portrayed by actor Tom Holland)
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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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So I saw someone go through The Wakanda Files which is a MCU databook when I saw this article about the Civil War Iron Man suit
The Iron Man suit used in Civil War is canonically worse than his other suits rather than it just being a plot issue.
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So this suit is 8-C then or maybe at least 8-C since he fought both Cap and Bucky at the same time then
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Just realized this will affect Cap’s shield as well since it never really did anything to Loki
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It would be At least 8-C.
If we can't find anything, then yeah it would need to be downgraded.
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Ah ****, this might help make Iron Man scaling to Loki more appropriate. Considering that no one else scales to Loki or Triangular-piece Iron Man at their full power.
Doesn't help that Mark 44 has the 8-B Sokovia dura feat that we eventually decided to go with the 8-B+ value.
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If there's no current CRTs being worked on I can make one tomorrow about it.
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The unibeam would scale to High 8-C but the rest of the armor would scale Cap since it was designed specifically to arrest Cap and fit the Accords.
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now everything makes sense with that explanation
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High 8-C comes from where? Also isn't Cap gonna be 9-A
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Iron Man Mark 6's arc reactor, 10 gigawatts.
Problem is, this exact arc reactor scales to Loki's 8-A ass. And Mark 45 has a 8-B durability feat for Sokovia.
No, he'll get upped to 8-C for being able to lay out Spider-Man if he wished, who, as you might've guessed, tanks the Pumpkin Bomb Tobey style.
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The arc reactor doesn't change with the armors. NWH showed the Mark VI reactor is still in use for stuff. It's just that those armors are actually designed for fighting people rather than being noncombat suits.
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Might he more with the shield than without. Spider-Man's sole injury from that fight came from a shield hit rather than a Cap hit.
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The statement was from Tony, so he most likely knows that Spidey was not ready even in terms of a H2H scenario.
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I mean the big critical issue with Spider-Man until NWH is that he's incredibly incompetent at times due to his inexperience and his lack of self worth.
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Prolly explains why Tony said that Cap could've laid him out if he wanted to. And it fits, Gobby in their first fight suplexed Tom and boom. Broken ribs. Tom underestimated just how dangerous Osborn could be and he paid the price.
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Oh yeah has anyone worked out a lifting strength revision by the way? We're getting rid of the AoS cross scaling so everything with Cap tier dudes needs a justification change.
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If the information being brought up in this thread is accurate and goes through, Quicksilver's High 8-C calc (3.367 tons, which Ultron should scale to) would probably be used for scaling Cap's shield (which pierced Ultron), and whatever else scales from that. This would require confirmation that the calc is viable to use though.
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I mean, Attila here is a very...particular case to say the least
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What was the original justification already?
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Deathklok and Centipede soldier scaling, which doesn't work anymore and Iron Man scaling which also doesn't work anymore.
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We definitely need to change that indeed
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Basically yes. Although honestly, this Peter was a bit too incompetent for me, Tobey and Andrew showed less incompetence in their own flick even if newbies at the time
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@KLOL506 @ArkhamDC06 Good news, your Beast Tammy (referring to KLOL) has got the best ending among all of the Beasts
Also shockingly, Koyanskaya isn't the Tamamo, wanna know why?
Also shockingly, Koyanskaya isn't the Tamamo, wanna know why?
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explain
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You definitely have my attention
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First of all, sorry for the derailing (well, since nothing has been discussed here beside from scaling and peoples are busy with the holidays lel)
And now for the explanation, so Koyanskaya/Vitchy true identity is neither of Tamamo, Da Ji, Bunrei of Amaterasu, Tenko, Kuzunoha, etc
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She's the Tunguska Event itself
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Well...shit. That's not sinister and threatening at all
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Further explanation: Koyanskaya is the deifying manifestation of the animals cries and death in the Event, created from and by millions of animals and beasts
She was manifested physically the moment Cath Palug renounced it title as Beast IV/Primate Murder/Beast of Gaia
There is more like the reason she choose to be like Tamamo and her true reason for becoming a beast but i'm kinda tired atm lel
And also both Cath Palug and Koyanskaya defeat was an symbol of humanity reconcilling the harsh reality of nature by taming it, in short: Peaceful Defeat
She was manifested physically the moment Cath Palug renounced it title as Beast IV/Primate Murder/Beast of Gaia
There is more like the reason she choose to be like Tamamo and her true reason for becoming a beast but i'm kinda tired atm lel
And also both Cath Palug and Koyanskaya defeat was an symbol of humanity reconcilling the harsh reality of nature by taming it, in short: Peaceful Defeat
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Man, I do love talking about the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Again sorry for the derailing, as there's none to be discussed outside from the scaling and our homies are busy with holidays alongside NWH discussion are in different thread
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Quick, which Marvel character is most likely to be a Fate fan? We can MAKE this on-topic.
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Doctor Doom would love to find a way to harness the power of Servants and their NP
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Okay I may be wrong but I think at the very very least Thor would at least be intrigued by these warriors I mean the guy was friends with a god who wrestled black holes for fun I'm sure he'd like a good exchange about ideology and tales of these Spiritual warriors, I personally imagine a scene like when Rider, Gilgamesh and Saber were talking about what it means to be a ruler/king
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I honestly don't see him enduring a talk with Gilgamesh for even a minute without being enraged (unless we're talking about the Caster or the Prototype version). Though to be fair, not many could anyway. But the idea is really exciting
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While trying to find more information from the Wakanda Files book online, I did find something noteworthy. The book features a report from Coulson regarding the events of the Item 47 one-shot, which specifically takes place after the Avengers movie, which would indicate that Coulson being alive post-Avengers is being treated as canon by the book. Not sure if anything else established in Agents of SHIELD is referenced in the book. I probably should try to get a copy at some point to see if there's anything more of interest to find.
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