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Why is he 6-A?
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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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The calc we made about Eternals and the Tiamut stuff some days ago, I used it for now since we haven't decided about a new tier
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Except he didn't create it because was already there. He just created the matter
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Change it to 6-C for now that's for the best
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I'm pretty sure they were gonna be At least High 6-C, possibly 6-B or something
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Nah only Ikaris would have anything close to 6-B since he scaled far above the team and could solo them other than that he does a casual 45gigaton feat so that's what they'll downscale from since ikaris is stronger than the rest if not they'll scale from other feats
He's also the one the 6-B calc was calc'd for anyways
He's also the one the 6-B calc was calc'd for anyways
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I mean Eson needed the power stone to perform a 5-A feat. Not all celestials are equal
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Yeah and Tiamut is only 5-A anyways for doing and surviving his emergence
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Should've precised I was talking about the Celestials in that movie but yeah
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Seems celestial should be tier 5 if not tier 4 unless they're under some weird circumstances like Eson and Ego since every other celestial we saw in eternals were the size of planetary bodies if not larger
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You'd be surprised to know how large the solar system level tier is, it having a gap of trillions. All matter in the universe together is just 4-A. Creating a billion stars isn't gonna get you to beyond 4-B, let alone 3-C
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Wait, High 6-C?
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High 6-C got lowered to 6-C since I used an incorrect timeframe.
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Well again, the movie clearly says "they can create suns" and shows them doing it (if not creating entire constellations or solar systems like Arishem does in the palm scene)
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Yes check the Eternals thread we've discussed this in number there there's no reason for them to scale to the 6-A feat
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I feel weird trying to give AP ratings to non-combative Eternals. Their durability scaling to whatever Ikaris' AP is fine since they clearly take hits from him though.
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Nah that's not solid either since it was only druig who took a hit whilst trying the Uni-Mind and having energy's from the other already flow into him
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The fighters should be 6-C to downscaling to Ikaris's casual feat the thinkers need other calcs and justifications
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Their AP should be comparable to their durability especially for Phastos since we see him producing devices that can harm Ikaris, and even Sersi, Druig and Sprite have feats that prove they can scale, albeit to a degree, since they can harm and kill Deviants (not talking about the turning-into-a-tree hax though)
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Doesn't Makkari also take hits from him? She is a combatant though.
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No, I meant do we have High 6-C stuff actually? Or was it scrapped in favor of 6-C?
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She takes a hit during the final battle yeah and she was laos wounded by Thena before that
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Would they scale to physicals though. You'll have to link me videos of those feats if you can find them though. I haven't seen the movie for myself, but I already had enough spoiled to me at a certain point that I didn't care anymore. I'll probably just wait til its on Disney+ to watch.
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I believe she takes one or two but yeah she's a fighter
It wasn't scrapped the timeframe was wrong so it's actually just 6-C
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High 6-C used 2 seconds when in actuality the feat took 4.3 seconds so it got altered to 6-C and about 41 gigatons
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I could probably find a clip or two on YT but only of low quality for now
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The High 6-C feat got downgraded to 6-C.
Anyway, I'd say the new Celestial ratings should probably be like this (Rough estimations btw)
Celestial Race: Varies. Up to Multi-Galaxy level (One of the Celestials shown were able to dwarf a galaxy in size)
I think a note should be added that the Celestials that not all celestials are equally powerful
Arishem: Star level (Arishem is stated to have create the first sun)
Tiamut: Dwarf Star level (Tiamut's awakening would've caused the destruction of Earth, which as shown in a vision, would yield this much energy)
I think we can get speed for the celestials via sheer size. The galaxy sized Celestial is definitely MFTL+. Arishem should be Relativistic via scaling above the Eternals. Tiamut should probably get a speed calc for his sheer size
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Arishem's size shouldn't dictate his power tbh he's the strongest and prime celestial he should scale to the higher one's even if he's not their size
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Him being the first doesn't make him the strongest tho. And I'm scaling Arishem to him making a star, not through his size, otherwise, he'd be 5-A and not 4-C
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Is GBE the thing used to give large characters a tier when lacking feats?
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Wich Celestial was dwarfing a galaxy in size? Can't remember exactly
I would also put Arishem at "At least 4-C" since Celestials can casually create suns though I would be for putting him at 3-B if the Celestial in question is similar in size to him and he really shouldn't be much weaker than Celestials he literally creates himself, especially with the movie saying he's the one creating the seeds that gives birth to other members of his race
I agree for the note about the difference in power with Celestials
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The green one
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Jemiah right?
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Fair enough
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Its supposed to be GPE but GPE usually doesn't work for guys this large so just go off of either a calcable height and use the chart on the large size calc page or in this case just general size since you can compare them to planets and galaxies
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Ah yeah, Jemiah
Arishem should scale honestly, we don't see them side by side (except in a concept art) but from what we see in the movie, they're in the same league (the blue one would be in the same situation but he won't get a profile)
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This isn't for the bigger Celestials but rather for Eson since he's the smallest we've seen so far and has no notable feats other than lifting his staff.
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Why's that so?
Eson is probably like low end Tier 7 via sheer size. I'd honestly stick with Unknown
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