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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

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SupremeNiva said:
Green Goblin on the top right being sneaky 👀

Also Green Goblin suit still look the same as his suit in Raimi SM2 huh? I thought he'll get a new suit 🤔
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Yep and he will they're just not going to show that in the poster after all we weren't actually supposed to see the new suit (even though we did) it was just leaked early
 
So I just came out of the theater, FINALLY, after a long wait, I've seen Eternals. It was really excellent, definitely one of my favorite MCU movies. And I've much to say about feats and powers.

  • First, all the Eternals mostly scale to each other. Throughout the movie, they all take painful strikes and attacks from Deviants and each other at the end and survive even if it is painful. The thinkers of the group can take brutal hits from the Deviants, Ikaris's light beams and punches, Ikaris himself gets brutally smashed by Makkari (perfectly done both in terms of powers and characters) and can survive and we're shown Deviants can harm them, subdue them, punch them on meters and pierce their skin. Druig notably is shown being brutally punched by Ikaris numerous times before the latter hit his with his light beams to the point he (Druig) is crashed deep into the ground yet comes out some short minutes later with only a bloody slash. Even Sersi and Sprite can survive taking punches or being brutally thrown and can severly harm them with mundane weapons, Sprite with a small knife and Sersi with a branch she turns into a blade.

  • In terms of hax, the movie was more than generous. Phastos can control technology, create and shape disks of metal, create weapons like guns against Ikaris at the end, whips and even temporarily depowers Ikaris in the final battle. He also briefly shows an image of Arishem to the others at one point and can create images of technologies he imagines and wants to create (like he thinks about steam engine in Ancient Mesopotamia) so minor Illusion Creation. Sprite can use her illusions to make herself and others invisible, change her appearence and that of others, imitate their voice or change hers to a new one and duplicate herself, others and objects and create fireworks (minor light manip). Druig (a fantastic character, gonna prepare his profile) can control an enormously large amount of people with a gesture, a look or a thought, at one point in a flashback he controls the entire population of Tenochtitlan plus the Spanish army that came to conquer the city with a thought and enslaves them, he's also heavily implied to erase memories, ends a brawl between several men and makes them happy with each other (Empathic Manip), can speak through those he mind controls (pseudo-possession) and at one point is said to have put Thena to sleep and is suggested to do the same to Tiamut before the transmutation option is chosen. Sersi changes a mere stone knife into an elaborated golden knife at the beginning of the movie (Metal Manip), turns a tablet into dust (Deconstruction), creates water from soil and from what I can remember, she turns a rock into a swarm of butterflies and there's an ice feat I think. Oh, and, you know about how in the MCU, she was apparently supposed to not be able to transmute living beings? Turns out she can, because she turns a Deviant into a tree at one point (though she admits she doesn't know how she did it). On the other side, Kro can drain the powers of Eternals (he does that to Ajak and Gilgamesh when he kills them), is shown to regenerate (High-Low, if I remember correctly he regenerates tissues, parts of his arms and fingers), can mentally speak with others by imitating the voices of the people he killed (he does that to Thena at the end) and alter other Deviants and make them stronger. Also, apart from Ajak, all Eternals (even Sprite, Sersi and Druig) are shown to be highly acrobatics (Druig at one point jumps onto a Deviant with a gun and shoots it in the head while on its back and the others regulary jump around to avoid attacks). And they're unfazed with being extremely close to lava.

  • Now, the big one. Like, REALLY big (literally). Arishem. The opening text of the movie confirms the Celestials were the first beings to exist, before the six singularities so before the Infinity Stones and by extension the Big Bang and the universe/multiverse. Arishem is outright stated to be the Prime Celestial, the first to have existed and their leader (see people? I was right!) and the text says he created the first Sun (with a big S, yes) and brought light to existence (so at the very least a big 4-C feat). He is the one who directly created the Deviants then the Eternals (who are basically synthetic beings) millions of years ago in a place called the World Forge (wich he also created by himself). Everytime a new Celestial is born from the Emergence, Eternals are taken away, have their memories erased and the process begins again. Another big element, at one point, Arishem shows Sersi a massive flashback to explain the role of the Celestials. You remember the pic with a red palm and a ball of light in it and we said Arishem caused the BB? Well, the scene the pic comes from shows the palm (confirmed to be Arishem's) in absolute darkness, then the ball explodes and we're shown planets, countless stars and space clouds coming from the explosion, wich basically confirms that, yes, this is the Big Bang and Arishem caused it (oh, and the ball of light is very small in his palm). Now remember, Loki (the series) confirmed that at the very beginning, there wasn't a universe but a multiverse, with infinite timelines, and it was HWR who reduced it to a single timeline (by taming Alioth), wich happened after the creation of the Universe naturally. So, YES. That's it folks. Arishem created the Multiverse basically by himself by virtue of causing the Big Bang and is basically God for the MCU and the Celestials endlessly participated in pushing its boundaries. BIG 2-A feat there. It is also explains that Celestials create planets, suns and ultimately form galaxies (we see them creating large suns and potentially at least several stars or even pure galaxies, I couldn't see clearly at that moment, with their bare hands and energy and they're much larger than what they create) and they're essential for the Universe because they basically create heat, not only from creating suns but from their own energy and without them creating new Celestials, existence will freeze and fall into complete darkness and die. Finally, Arishem shows some pretty spectacular hax. Aside from large size, cosmic energy manip, matter manip, creation, life manip, immortality (type 1 at least), self-sustenance (all types, obviously) and space flight, he doesn't have a mouth so he mentally communicates with Sersi and Ajak (telepathy) and shows her images of him and other Celestials creating existence, the World-Forge, Celestials destroying a planet via birth and other stuff (Illusion Creation). Then at the very end of the movie, he comes to Earth (and by to, I mean he is very far from Earth and is so big his entire face covers the horizon and teh way he appears, he was very likely visible for everyone on Earth) wich causes enormous storm clouds and yellow lightning to appear in the sky (weather manip), grabs Sersi, Kingo and Phastos from Earth and pulls them from the planet to in front of him in space with restraints of pure golden energy without touching them (massive levels of telekinesis) and then teleports. And his teleportation creates what appears to be a black hole that is only a bit smaller than his chest as a side-effect of the teleportation itself. His teleportation also involves creating an enormous space wormhole, wich is also shown when the green Celestial appears to create a galaxy.

So in the end, all Eternals scale to each other and should have their own profile (minus Ajak, who doesn't have feats), Celestials as a species should have a general profile and Arishem should have his own profile (and I volunteer to take care of him and Druig in addition of Phastos and Sersi, don't care about Gilgamesh anymore so if someone wanna do it, go ahead).

And as I thought, Gilgamesh was a big problem for me. First, because promotional material state he's the kindest of the Eternals, wich is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the myth in wich he was such a jerk he would make most tyrants of history look like saints before Enkidu. And second, because EVERY SINGLE TIME his name was prounounced, the only f*cking thing I could think about was the Fate version.
 
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There's no explicit meantion they're responsible for making the Multiverse lol. They're best creation feats are like 4-B, and maybe even 3-B if you wanna use large size for AP. I doubt Arishem is anything beyond 5-A from this movie alone
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
Why exactly would Arishem be 2-A if its well established that the infinite timelines are created by possibility? Arhsy could end up as 2-A if we could prove he created the Earthly universe and the other dimensions like the mirror dimension, dark dimension, etc.
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Hum true. Guess I was a bit too excited (I mean, is it difficult to enderstand?). So at best he would probably be 3-A unless clear confirmation of superior feats. Maybe the prod/directors will bring more stuff
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
There's no explicit meantion they're responsible for making the Multiverse lol. They're best creation feats are like 4-B, and maybe even 3-B if you wanna use large size for AP. I doubt Arishem is anything beyond 5-A from this movie alone
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Hum the movie literally says in its first seconds Arishem created the first Sun (and that's the precise word, sun, especially since it's stated he was the one who first brought light to the univers, so it's not a vague statement but a clear solar feat we have here). Not to mention it's outright stated Celestials create suns by themselves. At WORST, he will be 4-C or even at least 4-C but he's certainly above a mere 5-A.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Hum the movie literally says in its first seconds Arishem created the first Sun (and that's the precise word, sun, especially since it's stated he was the one who first brought light to the univers, so it's not a vague statement but a clear solar feat we have here). Not to mention it's outright stated Celestials create suns by themselves. At WORST, he will be 4-C or even at least 4-C but he's certainly above a mere 5-A.
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Wasn't that a different celestial?
 
Even though she doesn't have combat-oriented powers,Ajak did have some feats like reacting to Thena and better durability feats than Sprite for example

She also hold off one deviant

Her healing and regeneration should also scale to Kro
 
Celestials and their history getting more of a spotlight in the MCU for the first time since Guardians is huge and leads to a lot of super fun stuff. We're talking Mutants, Mad Celestials, Watcher/Celestial disputes, potentially the First Cosmos stuff and the Aspirants (if MCU decides to go that route with the cosmology), oh yeah and ******* KNULL.
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
Celestials and their history getting more of a spotlight in the MCU for the first time since Guardians is huge and leads to a lot of super fun stuff. We're talking Mutants, Mad Celestials, Watcher/Celestial disputes, potentially the First Cosmos stuff and the Aspirants (if MCU decides to go that route with the cosmology), oh yeah and ******* KNULL.
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Don't know if they will go to that point. Multiverse of Madness might include Shuma-Gorath apparently (judging from the toy that got leaked) but for now, I think the Celestials will be the highest-ranked creatures (in terms of types of cosmic beings)
 
On the topic of Knull, I'm interested to see how exactly they go about doing that considering they're introducing symbiotes through alternate universes it seems. Symbiotes being introduced from an alternate universe makes seeing how they plan to incorporate Knull's history with the Celestials into the MCU rather interesting.
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
On the topic of Knull, I'm interested to see how exactly they go about doing that considering they're introducing symbiotes through alternate universes it seems. Symbiotes being introduced from an alternate universe makes seeing how they plan to incorporate Knull's history with the Celestials into the MCU rather interesting.
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Oh man imagine if Knull was created by a symbiote merging with a Celestial Egg or a Deviant or something. That'd be interesting
 
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