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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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Hierarchy isn't about who came first. If HWR has more power than the celestials, he has more power than them period. Technically HWR would've never been born if his mother never got pregnant, so are we putting his mother above HWR too?
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Because his mother didn't create the entire universe ? -_- That's an entirely different thing and yes, in this case, hierarchy is about who came first, the Celestials are literally at the origin of pretty much everything in the MCU. I mean, would you say the Abrahamic God is less important than humans because He "only" created existence yet didn't intervene directly from there aside from some very minor occasions and so never participated in Earth's evolution where we did?
That's the exact same thing here. No Celestials equals no MCU, no MCU equals no HWR (or his mother, of the planet they were born in, or their timeline, or anything), no HWR equals no multiversial war, no MW equals no TVA, and so on
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This is an entirely valid and fair point HWR would've been the undoing of everything the celestial built but he's still working in the confines of their creation
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Its not actually. The core of your whole argument is that since A created B, A is higher than B no matter what even if B ascends to a point where B has far more control over reality than A.
Yes I would if said humans managed to reach a point where they were manipulating the events of the universe on a scale higher than said god himself was. Just like HWR is doing.
That is literally irrelevant if HWR climbs his way up to control of existence higher than the celestials themselves have.
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A problem for me with this is that his "power" seems weirdly limited for some supposed nigh-omnipotent being. In the end, he got all the power he got just because he tamed some space-time devouring creature and was outside of the time axis. In fact I'll be clear, individually this guy is probably one of the weakest things in the MCU. He had nigh-omniscience for sure but even then, it was shown to have it limits and apparently he needed to watch over records to keep tracks of events so this wasn't innate, he could teleport but only with a device, he wasn't visibly more durable than a Forst Giant and even less probably, even his immortality (the guy is what, probably billions, trillions of years old at the very least, definitely younger than Celestials but probably among the first generations of humans in existence) seems to come from being outside of time itself so he's not subjected to its laws and not a power he had for himself and all in all, he just appears to be a normal human
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If John Doe founds the nation of Wakanda, but Tony Stank then works his way up to conqueror and control the entire nation of Wakanda for himself, is John Doe still higher than Tony Stank?
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There's no confirmed statement showing who's more powerful than who, any theory on who's stronger is just that, a theory.
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In terms of historical importance, yes, definitely. That was what I was talking about, importance as in impact over the timeline, but you were talking about raw power apparently
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Jokes on all of us, the most important person in the MCU is actually Kevin Feige.
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Well, guess we'll have to make a Tier 0 profile for Feige
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I remember when this thread had only reached page 13, feels like yesterday lol
I remember when this thread had only reached page 13, feels like yesterday lol
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"It was me Thanos! I wrote off my approval to have you turned into a zombie, beat up by the black order, and sliced in half by Ultron in What If...?"
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WTF is Reverse-Flash doing there?!
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Barry Allen: goes to the MCU so he won't have to cope with Thawne There, at least in this universe, I know there's no RF
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The Flash when he goes to the MCU and sees Makkari (she is faster than the speed of sound)Barry:
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Barry Allen: goes to the MCU so he won't have to cope with Thawne There, at least in this universe, I know there's no RF
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Cloud Strife to Barry when they meet: First time?
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Ah yes a fellow Despair connoisseur
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Cloud: Literally chilling and not suffering for once
Sephiroth: Unacceptable, have some despair TARGET ACQUIRED
When you realize that when Sephiroth said "I will never be a memory", he really f*cking meant it
Sephiroth: Unacceptable, have some despair TARGET ACQUIRED
When you realize that when Sephiroth said "I will never be a memory", he really f*cking meant it
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Facts doesn't matter if it's a mobile game, remake, seperate timeline, crossover game, ******* smash Sephiroth will bring this man Cloud dispair
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"It was me, Barry, I altered history so that we were created by Marvel instead of DC, meaning you are canonically slower than MAKKARI of all characters!"
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Fastest Man in MCU is Steven "On Your Left" Rogers
Because his Meta is:
No matter how fast you are he's always gonna approach you "On Your Left"
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And then there is Sora
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WandaVision is looking a whole lot different than I remember...
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This some bullshit
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The account name is literally “Awful Fan-Made Movie Posters” lol
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Bruh Sora never really died
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Not actually poster lol just fan made
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I mean, the very name of the account gives us a big clue about it 
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Does it though? Cause I feel this could have happened actually
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What If?
Black Widow developed Stockholm Syndrome when held captive by Ultron
Black Widow developed Stockholm Syndrome when held captive by Ultron
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