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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

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Just finished watching the "What If...?" finale. A great conclusion to this season overall.


Now I feel like everyone in the Guardians of the Multiverse should have profiles. Captain Carter, Doctor Strange Supreme and Star-Lord T'Challa already have profiles, but now I think King Killmonger, Party Thor, Post-Apocalyptic Black Widow, and Titan Gamora warrant profiles.

King Killmonger should have a 9-B depowered key, with the sonic tazer and vibranium spear as equipment, A 8-C Black Panther key that should not have any of the kinetic energy abilities of his main universe counterpart due to being made far earlier in the timeline and being comparable to the Civil War era Black Panther suit, plus a Strange-empowered key. Arguably he could get a key with Ultron's armor and the Infinity Stones, except he doesn't really get a chance to perform any feats, so it's unclear how much of the Stone's power he can use.

Party Thor should be 'At least 7-B, possibly higher', for likely being comparable to his main universe counterpart, plus for apparently having a calced 7-B durability feat. The 'possibly higher' would be because he fought Captain Marvel for a while, though neither was going all out, though we don't know exactly how much each was holding back beyond the 7-B feat from their fight.

Post-Apocalyptic Black Widow should be 9-B, higher with shield. Her motorcycle might be worth mentioning on her profile, as she has used it a decent amount.

Titan Gamora should be 8-C scaling to her main universe counterpart, but higher in AP with sword, and higher durability with armor. Also, I really wish her episode didn't get pushed back, as her character's introduction feels really abrupt compared to the other Guardians of the Multiverse. At least Sakaar Tony Stark evidently didn't die.

All Guardians of the Multiverse should also have a Strange Supreme empowered key, as they could all put up a fight against Infinite Ultron.

The Watcher essentially states that the fate of all universes are at stake because of Infinity Ultron.

Titan Gamora has an Infinity Crusher that can destroy Infinity Stones, but it only works on the Stones from her own universe, as Infinity Stones are apparently different between universes to some extent. Not sure if this would prevent scaling their power to the main universe Stones, or if the level of vulnerability to the Infinity Crusher is the only real difference.
 
Also about my fanfic MCU Superior Iron Man earlier.

My rough idea is that it takes place somewhere after Avengers 1 where Tony is paranoid about the incoming invasion, where he stumbles across a lost symbiote. He decides to study the symbiote and eventually forms a powerful armor out of it. However, the symbiote slowly corrupts Tony, his characteristics becomes similar to that of Tony before the Afghanistan attack. He eventually slowly decides to spread his regime across the planet in order to make it stronger.

The story is very similar to the Superior iron Man comics. Tony is worshipped as this godlike figure and his friends attempt to stop him from being the monster he is now. Eventually he wages war against Asgard with his armor of Iron Man drones and attains the Space, Time and Mind stone and he finally manages to defeat Thanos after a long fight against him when Thanos decides to invade Earth.

Soon Stark uses the infinity stones to create a sort of false reality like Dr Maruki from Persona 5 called the eScape, where everyone could be happiest as long as they bow to Stark, virtually removing free will for false happiness. He's delusional and sees himself as a God and Humanity's savior

I originally imagined that Tony from the Infinite Ultron storyline would then go up against Endo Sym Tony, so basically Tony vs Tony. The former Tony uses his the eScape to his advantage and forms the GodBuster to defeat Endo Sym Iron Man

This shit is wild I know.

As for scaling: well, it's hilarious

So base Endo Sym Iron Man is about on par with Thanos in his regular form, but can be as strong as Odin with his shapeshifting abilities. Full Infinity Stone Superior iron Man would be Low 1-C via having the eScape transcend the entire Multiverse itself, where the Watcher sees the true form of the eScape as incomprehensible. And the GodBuster is obviously low 1-C fra
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Also about my fanfic MCU Superior Iron Man earlier.

My rough idea is that it takes place somewhere after Avengers 1 where Tony is paranoid about the incoming invasion, where he stumbles across a lost symbiote. He decides to study the symbiote and eventually forms a powerful armor out of it. However, the symbiote slowly corrupts Tony, his characteristics becomes similar to that of Tony before the Afghanistan attack. He eventually slowly decides to spread his regime across the planet in order to make it stronger.

The story is very similar to the Superior iron Man comics. Tony is worshipped as this godlike figure and his friends attempt to stop him from being the monster he is now. Eventually he wages war against Asgard with his armor of Iron Man drones and attains the Space, Time and Mind stone and he finally manages to defeat Thanos after a long fight against him when Thanos decides to invade Earth.

Soon Stark uses the infinity stones to create a sort of false reality like Dr Maruki from Persona 5 called the eScape, where everyone could be happiest as long as they bow to Stark, virtually removing free will for false happiness. He's delusional and sees himself as a God and Humanity's savior

I originally imagined that Tony from the Infinite Ultron storyline would then go up against Endo Sym Tony, so basically Tony vs Tony. The former Tony uses his the eScape to his advantage and forms the GodBuster to defeat Endo Sym Iron Man

This shit is wild I know.

As for scaling: well, it's hilarious

So base Endo Sym Iron Man is about on par with Thanos in his regular form, but can be as strong as Odin with his shapeshifting abilities. Full Infinity Stone Superior iron Man would be Low 1-C via having the eScape transcend the entire Multiverse itself, where the Watcher sees the true form of the eScape as incomprehensible. And the GodBuster is obviously low 1-C fra
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Well that's pretty great honestly
 
Just saw the episode, and man Strange Supreme really carry hard in that fight

He absorb that galaxy busting lvl attack like it was nothing holy shit, without his shield the other members is dead meat for sure.

Also Ultron death was disappointing, I knew from the last episode he's gonna die to Zola stupid hacking but it's still make me quite disappointed by it. It's just stupid how a godlike robot with 6 great singularity attach to him lose to some stupid virus? Make me facepalm hard...
 
Also if you're proposing Low 1-C Uatu, then no. It's only a story to him as he's just some viewer sitting outisde the universe watching events happen. He doesn't transcend the Multiverse in anyway
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Also if you're proposing Low 1-C Uatu, then no. It's only a story to him as he's just some viewer sitting outisde the universe watching events happen. He doesn't transcend the Multiverse in anyway
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I cleared ur message accidentally so that's why it appeared like that

Anyway the way Widow said "We don't matter" and the fact watcher said it himself that he has seen the end and all possible variation of the multiverse, we also have the watcher said he searched through ETERNITY not like that means much but Ultron also said the boundaries of the multiverse is irrelevant to being like them, plus we have him refer to beings and universes always as story and clearly he transcends it since he is somewhat outside time. That's clear transcendence for me. Also i was only proposing he at least scale to the multiverse he watches and possibly transcends
 
Fitz_100 said:
I cleared ur message accidentally so that's why it appeared like that

Anyway the way Widow said "We don't matter" and the fact watcher said it himself that he has seen the end and all possible variation of the multiverse, we also have the watcher said he searched through ETERNITY not like that means much but Ultron also said the boundaries of the multiverse is irrelevant to being like them, plus we have him refer to beings and universes always as story and clearly he transcends it since he is somewhat outside time. That's clear transcendence for me. Also i was only proposing he at least scale to the multiverse he watches and possibly transcends
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That ain't transcendence. It's just The Watcher watching beings in another realm. And him seeing all possible variations of multiverse is just nigh omniscience
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
That ain't transcendence. It's just The Watcher watching beings in another realm. And him seeing all possible variations of multiverse is just nigh omniscience
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What is transcendence according to this wiki? The watcher is BEYOND the boundaries of the multiverse thus every extentions of it plus the fact that he literally views them as stories.
We already know he's seen the end of the multiverse ( end of time that is nigh omniscience), He sees them as stories that has been implied way too many times ( That is a fictional transcendence), His realm is outside the boundaries of the multiverse and he himself is Beyond such boundaries ( this is transcendence)
 
Fitz_100 said:
I cleared ur message accidentally so that's why it appeared like that

Anyway the way Widow said "We don't matter" and the fact watcher said it himself that he has seen the end and all possible variation of the multiverse, we also have the watcher said he searched through ETERNITY not like that means much but Ultron also said the boundaries of the multiverse is irrelevant to being like them, plus we have him refer to beings and universes always as story and clearly he transcends it since he is somewhat outside time. That's clear transcendence for me. Also i was only proposing he at least scale to the multiverse he watches and possibly transcends
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Outside of time isn't 5d lol
 
Fitz_100 said:
Also i was only proposing he at least scale to the multiverse he watches
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Ultron and Uatu does have 2-A potential if we going by Uatu statement that IU is threatening the multiverse, but it's too vague right now if that statement referring to him destroying the multiverse or just conquering it. I guess we'll have to wait for some WOG dropping in a few days or weeks.
 
SupremeNiva said:
Ultron and Uatu does have 2-A potential if we going by Uatu statement that IU is threatening the multiverse, but it's too vague right now if that statement referring to him destroying the multiverse or just conquering it. I guess we'll have to wait for some WOG dropping in a few days or weeks.
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This. They could be 2-A but there's nothing solid for it. At best, it's just possibly higher
 
Fitz_100 said:
What is transcendence according to this wiki? The watcher is BEYOND the boundaries of the multiverse thus every extentions of it plus the fact that he literally views them as stories.
We already know he's seen the end of the multiverse ( end of time that is nigh omniscience), He sees them as stories that has been implied way too many times ( That is a fictional transcendence), His realm is outside the boundaries of the multiverse and he himself is Beyond such boundaries ( this is transcendence)
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Boundaries of the multiverse is the fact he just exists outside the multiverse. Viewing them as stories is because he's just a guy who views events from outside the multiverse. These aren't evidence of transcendence
 
People really confusing me with “Watcher doesn’t transcend”. Man exists outside of the universes, sees them as fictional stories, gets hit by IU’s reality warping punches but isn’t affected by said power to warp the stories, is implied to have the power to change absolute points which is essentially a plot point that you can’t change since it’s essential for a character to exist.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I guess a possibly 2-A or possibly higher
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Neither. A Low 2-C that can gather more Stones is virtually unstoppable given enough time. A super sonic 8-A character could end all life on the Earth but we wouldn't call them Tier 6 for that.

Also for Uatu he doesn't have the backing for 2-A. He doesn't view the stories as fiction, but alternate universes he can peer into.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
People really confusing me with “Watcher doesn’t transcend”. Man exists outside of the universes, sees them as fictional stories,
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My point exactly, there's more than enough statement to show he transcends the atories he watches and it is the storiws of the multiverse.
AnonymousBlank said:
gets hit by IU’s reality warping punches but isn’t affected by said power to warp the stories, is implied to have the power to change absolute points which is essentially a plot point that you can’t change since it’s essential for a character to exist.
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Also forgot abt this, this would be plot manipulation basically.
 
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