MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[Fitz_100]

Also for Uatu he doesn't have the backing for 2-A. He doesn't view the stories as fiction, but alternate universes he can peer into.

He views the multiverse he observes as stories (this is the fictional part), it is more evident when doc strange said he can change absolute points which is basically plot manipulation or in his case nareative manipulation.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also forgot abt this, this would be plot manipulation basically.

It isn't lol. He's just changing the universe. He isn't rewriting the story or anything.

He views the multiverse he observes as stories (this is the fictional part), it is more evident when doc strange said he can change absolute points which is basically plot manipulation or in his case nareative manipulation.

He views them as stories like how a person would view a play as a story. He's literally just viewing them from the outside.

 

[Fitz_100]

It isn't lol. He's just changing the universe. He isn't rewriting the story or anything.

Change the universe? Lolz this is so more than that bro, changing an absolute point isnt just changing the universe bro, it's what makes a character, the character, changing it is basically plot manipulation.

He views them as stories like how a person would view a play as a story. He's literally just viewing them from the outside.

How is a play to u? Real or fictional? Fictional transcendence buddy is still transcendence bro.
To view something as fiction u gotta be outside it. As like they said the boundaries ( ebery reaches of the multiverse ) is IRRELEVANT , this statement goes beyond being just outside bro, the barriers of the multiverse is irrelevant to a character, the same character is said to view it as a story, i dont see what else can POSSIBLY qualify for transcendence.

The same watcher told widow DOOR as used separating universes is just a metaphor to him, as he waves his hands changing the universe they were in, rather than teleporting or something. Bro i literally dont knw what else speaks transcendence than all these.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The final was some cheeks, ultron jobbed. Not as much as I though but it wasn’t great regardless. It felt rushed and the ending felt like a bad fan fic with widow casually beating Loki and fury’s line. Also the watcher could appertly see the road to victory some how despite getting clapped last ep and him not being able to see what vultron was doing. And the Eric kilmonger Zola stuff was just bad. You expect me to believe Zola can casually stomp ultron in the cyberverse despite him being made from the mind stone by some of the smartest people of the world?and kilmonger could just somehow hack vultron’s systems and steal the stones or some crap. Thor was a bit to comedic as well. The action was good though. But overall this is so far the worst final out of the mcu shows. They really should have broke the final into parts instead of doing it in one full swoop because this episode probably suffered the most from the runtime

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

So in terms of abilities, for now what I've noticed:

• Ultron gets Regeneration (Low-Mid) through the Reality Stone, Earth Manipulation/Deconstruction (the destroying the mountain feat) and Resistance to Fire
• Strange Supreme gets Animal Manipulation, very high levels of Power Bestowal and Resistance to Time Manipulation through the Time Stone. Maybe also Sealing since he was able to trap Zola and Killmonger in a mirror dimension pocket dimension with Uatu

You forgot energy absorption for both Strange and IU.

Also, I don’t think we should add profiles for Nat, Kilmonger, or Thor. There’s really just no reason to. They’re the same as their main universe counterparts, just with different outfits and different backstories.

 

[Coolboy6]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/scarlet-witch-mcu-vs-shigeo-kageyama.125542/

 

[Bernkastelll]

What a shame of episode, I can't belive that I waited an entire week, 100% disappointed

 

[Bernkastelll]

Lol, I expecting some good ass feats from Ultron, but then, I see gamora, black widow and t'challa defeating Ultron

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

There’s also no reason to not give gamora her ep before the final so that double sucks

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Lol, I expecting some good ass feats from Ultron, but then, I see gamora, black widow and t'challa defeating Ultron

Atleast they were amped

 

[Bernkastelll]

Atleast they were amped

meh, Ultron could have done better things to win, but nah, he just stand immobile there letting them attack him like a videogame boss

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

meh, Ultron could have done better things to win, but nah, he just stand immobile there letting them attack him like a videogame boss

Pretty much but atleast there was some reasoning cuz strange did **** him twice with the time stone and galaxy nuke thing but ya he still jobbed regardless(Zola and arrow through the eye)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Wasn't as disappointed but that moment in the episode was quite ridiculous, amped or not

 

[Bernkastelll]

Also, I 100% hated that team, it was so bad, I even like the Party thor and Strange, but the others? Lol.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Low 2-C blackwidow due dr strange Amps

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

And thinking about it now, why would those heroes out of anyone else in the infinte multivrese the “chosen ones” hell they didn’t even bring stark from gamora’s verse, like ai get strange but really? No hulk?No marvel? No Odin? Seriously just a bunch of street tiers and two high tiers

 

[SupremeNiva]

And thinking about it now, why weed those heroes out of anyone else in the infinte multivrese the “chosen ones” hell they didn’t even bring stark from gamora’s verse

He's just gonna dies again if he bring him.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

We’re overreacting. Ultron even noted the whole team was relying on Strange 100%.

Honestly the only thing I thought was really dumb was Zola’s programming overpowering Ultron’s. Ultron was never really harmed by the shield throwing, just moreso irritated.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

The only ones who ever did a real number to him were Strange, Thor (with Strange’s assistance), Zola/Natasha with a direct arrow shot to the eye, which is considered a heavy weak spot in many, many works of fiction.

 

[SupremeNiva]

SPOILER]Honestly the only thing I thought was really dumb was Zola’s programming overpowering Ultron’s. Ultron was never really harmed by the shield throwing, just moreso irritated.[/ISPOILER]

That part was just dumb tbh, like how a super robot with Mind Stone who give an infinite knowledge and not to mention he has other 5 stones lose to damn Nazi dude turned into AI?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

And thinking about it now, why would those heroes out of anyone else in the infinte multivrese the “chosen ones” hell they didn’t even bring stark from gamora’s verse, like ai get strange but really? No hulk?No marvel? No Odin? Seriously just a bunch of street tiers and two high tiers

People of different Color and different Race

 

[Loyd]

idk it feels like one of those cases where powerful big bad is acting oddly sus so everyone gets a chance to wring him around(even if they don't do dmg to him)

it was revealed the watcher knew the end so i think its justified, bringing more might change the outcome too much.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I am surprised and a little bit disappointed that Ultron didn’t make more use of his massive Ultron Sentry army.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

And thinking about it now, why would those heroes out of anyone else in the infinte multivrese the “chosen ones” hell they didn’t even bring stark from gamora’s verse, like ai get strange but really? No hulk?No marvel? No Odin? Seriously just a bunch of street tiers and two high tiers

Because they're the protagonists of the previous episodes and plot privilieges are superior to logic

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The final was some cheeks, ultron jobbed. Not as much as I though but it wasn’t great regardless. It felt rushed and the ending felt like a bad fan fic with widow casually beating Loki and fury’s line. Also the watcher could appertly see the road to victory some how despite getting clapped last ep and him not being able to see what vultron was doing. And the Eric kilmonger Zola stuff was just bad. You expect me to believe Zola can casually stomp ultron in the cyberverse despite him being made from the mind stone by some of the smartest people of the world?and kilmonger could just somehow hack vultron’s systems and steal the stones or some crap. Thor was a bit to comedic as well. The action was good though. But overall this is so far the worst final out of the mcu shows. They really should have broke the final into parts instead of doing it in one full swoop because this episode probably suffered the most from the runtime

Yeah I pretty much agree to all of this

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That part was just dumb tbh, like how a super robot with Mind Stone who give an infinite knowledge and not to mention he has other 5 stones lose to damn Nazi dude turned into AI?

Because plot

 

[PsychoWarper]

And thinking about it now, why would those heroes out of anyone else in the infinte multivrese the “chosen ones” hell they didn’t even bring stark from gamora’s verse, like ai get strange but really? No hulk?No marvel? No Odin? Seriously just a bunch of street tiers and two high tiers

Kinda sad we didnt get a full fledged King Thor with the Odin Force, he would have made sense in this fight compared to Party Thor (As much as I love him).

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Hope we'll get some Asgard stuff in Season 2

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So when it comes to hacking, Zola (Hacked Ultron Hive mind) & Vision/Jarvis (Locked Ultron out of the Internet/Blocked him from gaining nuclear codes) > Ultron (Main Timeline & What If Timeline)

 

[PsychoWarper]

Hope we'll get some Asgard stuff in Season 2

Me to, they where wasted in the Sacred Timeline imo so I was hoping for some more stuff about them in What If.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So when it comes to hacking, Zola (Hacked Ultron Hive mind) & Vision/Jarvis (Locked Ultron out of the Internet/Blocked him from gaining nuclear codes) > Ultron (Main Timeline & What If Timeline)

Let's make a profile for Zola! (In case you're wondering, I'm jocking)

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Honestly, Strange Supreme needs a break, as it must have been hard to carry the whole team on his back.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Eh I guess we atleast got 2-adark strange so that’s something

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

The only thing i don't like from this episode was Zola hacked Ultron, aside that a pretty good episode, Ultron didn't feel nerfed as Strange Supreme carried the whole teams, otherwise everyone would dead as f***

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Alright well since season 1 for what if is done it’s time to re rank the episodes and shows for the episodes(for me)

1.ultron won
2. Dark strange
3. Party thor
4. Captain carter
5. Kilmonger vs tony
6. Dead avengers
7. Starlord
8. Zombies
9. The final

for the shows

1. What if
2. Falcon vs soilder
3. Wandvision
4. Loki

 

[Revan_Laha]

So Low 2-C, possibly higher Chadtron. And Low 2-C Watcher and Doctor Drip. That's what's we decided upto now, right?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

My ranking is probably gonna be

1. Ultron
2. Strange
3. Zombies
4. Party Thor
5. Dead Avengers
6. Star Lord
7. Killmonger
8. Captain Carter
9. Finale

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

So Low 2-C, possibly higher Chadtron. And Low 2-C Watcher and Doctor Drip. That's what's we decided upto now, right?

I’m pretty sure vultron would be like 2-a or 2-b with the wog statement but this looks fine

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Personnally, my list of episodes would be:

• Strange Supreme
• Ultron won
• Avengers Killed
• Zombies
• Final Episode
• Party Thor
• Killmonger
• Captain Carter
• T'Challa

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I’m pretty sure vultron would be like 2-a or 2-b with the wog statement but this looks fine

What would be the justification for 2-A or 2-B already? And Straneg would get what, Low 2-C or the same tier?