MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[Dalesean027]

The dream was both bad and good.

Hm well I hope the good parts at least outweighed the bad

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Thanks, I can talk about it more detail since in DM's if you're curious enough, but it's a bit too personal for me to post in the open.

Kissing face

Nani!?

 

[chosen]

The main issue with Thor is as follows

• In IW Thor was already injured from his fight with Hela when Thanos attacked him with the rest of the Black Order.
• When he got Stormbreaker he won through a sneak attack and a weapon designed to counter the IG
• In Endgame pre-timeskip Thanos was injured and restrained when Thor killed him
• Endgame proper is the first full fight we've seen and he's overwhelmed

I think the main reason people put IW Thor over Endgame Thor is because of their physical appearance, but going by the director statements that's more showing him losing his purpose and meaning than him losing any physical strength.

Yeah him being is the main reason
Some People also argue Thor negged thanos but thanos slapped iw Thor

 

[chosen]

I’m case anyone’s wondering, yes. I finished the profile. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Collector_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_What_If) if I missed anything or need to change anything, let me know

Intereseting

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I’m case anyone’s wondering, yes. I finished the profile. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Collector_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_What_If) if I missed anything or need to change anything, let me know

Looks pretty good!

 

[Lonkitt]

The dream was both bad and good.

I'm sorry to hear that. I got robbed of a good sleep Sunday night the same way and I can't even remember what the dream was

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Damn, I hope your dreams are better in the future.

 

[Lonkitt]

Thanks, I hope it goes better for you too

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

No problem and thanks

 

[JirensMom]

Holy shit Ultron does some ultra crazy destructive feats.

 

[Dalesean027]

Holy shit Ultron does some ultra crazy destructive feats.

Oh shit the episodes out bruh I'll brb

 

[Swerzye29038]

The new episode puts this iteration of vision at an insane level. He was shown busting multiple planets in a single attack and punched The Watcher through multiple time periods

 

[GodOfThunder]

holy shit the feats displayed by ultron this episode wow

 

[Swerzye29038]

So... Ultron effortlessly kills Thanos and melts the Infinity Gauntlet. PIS or just that he can channel the Mind Stone's power better?

That part was definitely weird.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So... Ultron effortlessly kills Thanos and melts the Infinity Gauntlet. PIS or just that he can channel the Mind Stone's power better?

I guess 6-C Ultron owo

 

[Dalesean027]

So... Ultron effortlessly kills Thanos and melts the Infinity Gauntlet. PIS or just that he can channel the Mind Stone's power better?

No he genuinely has feats on that level consistently this episode so it's not just PIS he's genuinely portrayed to be this powerful

Dude literally does a 6-B and one shots asguard

 

[JirensMom]

ULTRON ATE AN ENTIRE GALAXY LMAO

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Although that fight was anti-climatic and lame lmao. Like c'mon, at least show us something cool.

 

[GodOfThunder]

Spoiler

i was shook when i saw this

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

As much as I hate Iron Man and Thanos being done dirty. Again. Especially for the former.

I do gotta admit they finally gave Ultron justice

 

[Dalesean027]

Spoiler

i was shook when i saw this

This man is insane he's genuinely just a ******* problem even before that he one shot like 5 planets at once with a simple shockwave

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

3-C Ultron. Too beautiful I cry

 

[GodOfThunder]

No he genuinely has feats on that level consistently this episode so it's not just PIS he's genuinely portrayed to be this powerful

Dude literally does a 6-B and one shots asguard

the later feats he does with all the stones

but he casually kills Thanos with just the mind stone and 1 shotting Asgard paled in comparison to when he destroyed 5 or 6 planets in his fight with cap marvel

 

[Dalesean027]

the later feats he does with all the stones

but he casually kills Thanos with just the mind stone and 1 shotting Asgard paled in comparison to when he destroyed 5 or 6 planets in his fight with cap marvel

This man is insane he's genuinely just a ******* problem even before that he one shot like 5 planets at once with a simple shockwave

Trust me Ik I've mentioned as much

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ultron fought the ******* watcher.

Possibly Low 2-C Ultron owo. Comics are fodder.

Now to find them good speed feats

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I am now waiting patiently for Ultron to fodderize Dormammu and eventually become 2-A

 

[chosen]

Ultron fought the ******* watcher.

Possibly Low 2-C Ultron owo. Comics are fodder.

Now to find them good speed feats

I mean comic Thor and Ultron have 4d feats
Is just controversial asf which scaling is more consistent

 

[chosen]

I am now waiting patiently for Ultron to fodderize Dormammu and eventually become 2-A

Dormammu isn't 2a unless you mean show 2a feats after beating him

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I didn't say Dormammu was 2-A

 

[GodOfThunder]

This episode also showed that Thor didn't really go through the "full" power of the infinity guantlet when Thanos fired it at him in infinty war

 

[chosen]

I mean onky reason Thor storm breaker wasn't negged cuz is an counter to them

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Holy shit...I just watched it and...wtf Infinity Ultron is OP

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So yeah, looking at things. Ultron looks to be 3-B at his peak.

Maybe even Low 2-C if we take Strange Supreme's statement of the watcher being able to prevent the collapse of the universe.

The giant Ultron is absolutely Massively FTL+.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Someone calc Giant Ultron speed pls.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Spoiler

What if Ultron is OP as hell. 6-C for one-shotting Thanos with Visions's body and at the very least 3-C with them

 

[JirensMom]

Idk how the heroes are gonna beat Ultron tbh


Also it seems the infinity stones work outside their own universe

 

[GodOfThunder]

infinity gauntlets working outside thier main universe doesn't make much sense tho

 

[Dinobot1996]

Just saw "What If...?" episode 8. This might be one of my favorite episodes yet!

Interesting scaling/feats I noticed:

Even with only the Mind Stone, Ultron in Vision's body destroyed Captain America's shield and easily sliced Thanos in half and melted the Infinity Gauntlet, so that's at least 6-C before even obtaining more Infinity Stones. With all the stones, he casually displays levels of destruction that range from Tier 5 to Tier 3. He probably scales to Low 2-C with all Stones for overpowering the Watcher (who was heavily implied to have been capable of stopping the collapse of Strange Supreme's universe if not for his vow to never interfere) and forcing him to retreat. This should also upgrade the Infinity Gauntlet as well.

Black Widow and Hawkeye are very similar to their main universe counterparts, though Black Widow gets a shield and Hawkeye has a mechanical arm and a camouflage cloak, as well as some interesting arrows including an explosive arrow that looks like it could probably be somewhere in Tier 8. Not sure how much they warrant profiles, but it's something.

Captain Marvel tunnels all the way to the core of Xandar while fighting Ultron. Not sure what tier that would be, but it might be an outlier if it's vastly above 6-C.

Also, RIP Tony Stark...again.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

infinity gauntlets working outside thier main universe doesn't make much sense tho

Well this isn't the comics.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Can we get a What if Episode where Tony Stark gets a good ending? Please?