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MCU Love & Thunder Spoiler Thread

ArkhamDC06 said:
With his own Thunderbolt, should be noted, it's not like Thor used Stormbreaker or his own fists
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Thor also caught the thunderbolt with his bare hands after it was thrown by Zeus with intent to harm.

Plus doesn’t the thunderbolt clash with the necrosword later in the film, which in turn clashes with storm breaker and mjonir?
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
For off-screen shit involving tiny Celestials and not the planet-sized ones from Eternals? Hardly going to be accepted.
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Being deadass rn this is just silly, Eternals didn't explain how some celestials are made or just a portion of the population or whatever we learn flatout how ALL CELESTIALS are birthed and it's all via the same proxy we also learn abilities that are native to all celestials.


Whether you want to accept it or not Eson and the other celestials we see here who aren't planet sized literally were born bursting out from a planet that provided them with enough cosmic energy to be born and continue the cycle of creating stars and life so unless you're arguing against them having those roles with no evidence vs what we're told of from literal god in the mcu and the one who designed the celestials birth process then this doesn't even matter as a point especially when celestials were still stated to be the "biggest cosmic energy generators in the universe"
 
Dalesean027 said:
Being deadass rn this is just silly, Eternals didn't explain how some celestials are made or just a portion of the population or whatever we learn flatout how ALL CELESTIALS are birthed and it's all via the same proxy we also learn abilities that are native to all celestials.


Whether you want to accept it or not Eson and the other celestials we see here who aren't planet sized literally were born bursting out from a planet that provided them with enough cosmic energy to be born and continue the cycle of creating stars and life so unless you're arguing against them having those roles with no evidence vs what we're told of from literal god in the mcu and the one who designed the celestials birth process then this doesn't even matter as a point especially when celestials were still stated to be the "biggest cosmic energy generators in the universe"
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To be far they can probably change there size seeing as they can be a big as stars and stuff
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
To be far they can probably change there size seeing as they can be a big as stars and stuff
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I believe this is the case in my own opinion especially considering we saw arishem create the universe in the palm of his hand, and then in some scene appear like 4-A in size, and then appears next to earth being larger than it
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
You know speaking of arshiesm, should we discuss his Big Bang feat since it was in his hand and all that
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If you mean size wise it'd still be large size type 8 unless we can prove he's large enough to encompasses multiple realities

Just to specify type 8 large size does categorize those who are universal or larger in size




Oh... we have arishem at type 6
 
Catch me up to speed real quick because there are a ton of messages here. 1, what is the argument for 4-C for characters in this film, and 2, is there a general consensus on the speed of characters in this film?
 
I agree with Matt, getting this accepted will be a hard task

Also, take this as a tip, something that would help you case would be upgrading Awakened Thor, because a jump from High 6-C to 4-C in a spam of very few years is something many people will disagree. Being an outlier considering their other feats can be used again you

That's what I believe, at least
 
Lightning_XXI said:
I agree with Matt, getting this accepted will be a hard task

Also, take this as a tip, something that would help you case would be upgrading Awakened Thor, because a jump from High 6-C to 4-C in a spam of very few years is something many people will disagree. Being an outlier considering their other feats can be used again you

That's what I believe, at least
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Not really, I’m pretty sure Thor was already being hyped up to be the strongest his ever been in this film by taikia and Chris plus gorr is also supposed to be better then Hela
 
It was already pointed out, though just to reiterate, Celestials aren't just tier 4 via size, they're tier 4 via cosmic energy. So the argument regarding the Celestials we see in Omnipotence City being smaller and therefore not as powerful as the ones we see in Eternals really falls flat when you consider they're the most powerful energy generators in the universe regardless of their size. They're tier 4 period.
 
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Existing Profiles

Thor
New Key "Love and Thunder"

Attack Potency: At least Star level, likely higher (Can fight against Gorr. Effortlessly broke out of Zeus' restraints, caught his Thunderbolt, and mortally wounded him by throwing the weapon through him)


Lifting Strength: At least Stellar, likely higher (Effortlessly broke out of Zeus' restraints. Can physically contend with Gorr)
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Pre-Awakening Thor
  • Magic and Power Bestowal (Unintentionally enchanted Mjølnir to empower Jane Foster)
Love and Thunder Thor:
  • Power Bestowal (Granted several children his powers temporarily)
  • Teleportation (via Zeus' Thunderbolt)
  • Greater Weapon Control (Possesses Zeus' Thunderbolt, which can be bent and divided into several smaller bolts)
  • Should get the Thunderbolt in his Standard Equipment since he used it against Gorr during the final battle

Valkyrie
Attack Potency: At most Multi-City Block level, At least Star level, likely higher with Zeus' Thunderbolt (Clashed with the Necrosword)
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  • Should get the Thunderbolt in her Standard Equipment as she uses it during the second battle against Gorr
Korg
  • Regeneration (High-Mid) (Regenerated from his face)
  • Immortality (Type 2 and 3) (Can survive as a disembodied face)
Guardians of the Galaxy
Attack Potency: (Insert specific member's AP here), At most Multi-City Block level with various weaponry (Have access to weapons that can harm Korg)
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Stormbreaker
Attack Potency: Varies depending on the user, At least Large Island level (Cut through the beam conjured by all six Infinity Stones. Mortally wounded Thanos and later decapitated the Mad Titan), up to at least Star level, likely higher (Primarily wielded by post-training Thor. Can clash with the Necrosword. Thor doesn't see Zeus' Thunderbolt as that impressive in comparison to the axe)
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Mjølnir
Attack Potency: Varies depending on the user, At least Large Island level (Wielded by Pre-Awakening Thor and later on Awakened Thor and Captain America. Can harm Thanos and Mark 85 Iron Man), up to at least Star level, likely higher (Used by Jane Foster to fight against Gorr, and can clash with the Necrosword)
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New Profiles

Jane Foster
Attack Potency: At least Star level, likely higher (Comparable to Thor. Can fight against Gorr, and destroyed the Necrosword with Mjølnir alongside Thor wielding Zeus' Thunderbolt)

Lifting Strength: At least Stellar, likely higher (Comparable to Thor)

Intelligence: Genius (Jane is renowned for her knowledge in astrophysics and wormholes. Developed the revolutionary Foster Theory. Accurately determined when an anomalous portal would open. Considered a candidate for the Nobel Prize. Easily adapted combat adeptness after being empowered by Mjølnir despite having no prior fighting experience)

Weaknesses: Continued use of Mjølnir's empowerment exacerbates the effects of Jane's cancer.
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  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics
  • Weather Manipulation
  • Electricity Manipulation
  • Pseudo-Flight
  • Weapon Control
  • Expert Combatant
  • Acrobatics
  • Weapon Mastery
  • Genius Intelligence

Gorr the God Butcher
Attack Potency: At least Star level, likely higher (Empowered by the Necrosword, and killed Rapu with it. Heavily feared by Zeus, who is the most powerful being in Omnipotence City. Can fight against Thor and Jane, the former of whom easily took down Zeus)

Lifting Strength: At least Stellar, likely higher (Can physically contend with Thor)

Weaknesses: All-Black the Necrosword slowly kills Gorr while also binding his lifeforce to itself, meaning destroying the sword is as deadly to him as the weapon itself
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  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics
  • Immorality (Type 3) and Regeneration (Low-Mid) (Instantly regenerated from being impaled by Zeus' Thunderbolt)
  • Regeneration Negation (Gorr can kill gods such as Zeus despite their regenerative abilities)
  • Darkness Manipulation (Can manipulate the shadows)
  • Life Creation (Can give life to Black Berserkers)
  • Animal Manipulation (Can command Shadow Monsters)
  • Summoning (Can call the Necrosword back to himself)
  • Creation (Created a cage to imprison the Asgardian children)
  • Intangibility and Teleportation (For himself, others, and objects. Can sink beneath the earth and reappear anywhere)
  • All-Black the Necrosword should be listed under his standard equipment
All-Black the Necrosword
Attack Potency: At least Star level, likely higher (Used by Gorr to kill Rapu and many other gods. Can clash with Stormbreaker, Mjølnir, and Zeus' Thunderbolt)
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  • Empowerment
Grants the user the following:
  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics
  • Immorality (Type 3) and Regeneration (Low-Mid) (Gorr instantly regenerated from being impaled by Zeus' Thunderbolt)
  • Regeneration Negation (Can kill gods such as Zeus despite their regenerative abilities)
  • Darkness Manipulation (Can grant the user the ability to manipulate the shadows)
  • Life Creation (Can give life to Black Berserkers)
  • Animal Manipulation (Can command Shadow Monsters)
  • Summoning (The user can call the Necrosword back to themself)
  • Creation (Granted Gorr the ability to create a cage to imprison the Asgardian children)
  • Intangibility and Teleportation (Can grant the user the ability to teleport themself, others, and objects. Can grant the user the ability to sink beneath the earth and reappear anywhere)
Zeus
Attack Potency: At least Star level, likely higher (Stated to be the most powerful being in Omnipotence City, which is inhabited by two Celestials and the likes of the Egyptian Gods)

Lifting Strength: At least Stellar, likely higher (More powerful than the two Celestials seen in Omnipotence City and the Egyptian Gods. Restrained Thor, although he effortlessly broke out of said restraints)
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  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics
  • Immortality (Type 2 and 3) (Can function despite having his Thunderbolt thrown through his chest)
  • Regeneration (Low-Mid) (Slowly but surely regenerated from having his Thunderbolt thrown through his chest by Thor)
  • Longevity (Has existed for a millennia)
  • Electricity Manipulation (Can conjure lightning)
  • Air Manipulation (Conjured a gust of wind with a flick)
  • Weather Manipulation (Conjured a storm upon entrance)
  • Telekinesis (Telekinetically put Thor's disguise back on him)
  • Summoning (Of his Thunderbolt)
  • Weapon Control (Can telekinetically move his Thunderbolt, bend it, and divide it into smaller bolts)
  • Teleportation (Can use his Thunderbolt to teleport)

Thunderbolt
Attack Potency: At least Star level, likely higher (Is the signature weapon of Zeus. Used by Valkyrie and Thor respectively to fight Gorr. Can clash with the Necrosword)
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  • Electricity Manipulation
  • Weapon Control (Can be bent and divided into several smaller bolts)
  • Teleportation (Used by Thor to teleport to the center of the universe)
 
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