MCU Love & Thunder Spoiler Thread

[Dalesean027]

Also while massive tier jumps are questionable, I fail to see that as a counterpoint when nothing contradicts tier 4 so far given

-The statement about Zeus being the most powerful
-The statement and implication that Thor has gotten way stronger
-Jane being treated as comparable to Thor in this movie
-Gorr being heavily feared by Zeus

Plus I heavily disagree with simply "massive tier jump" as a counterpoint unless there are inherent problems with it (which there aren't in this case)

This too but we get no contention from other characters knowledgeable on the gods for what Thor said and we know he has knowledge of the egyptian gods and witnessed star odins shit which would still put zeus at the top of the hierarchy even if we aren't scaling those things physically Thor still thinks odin is absolutely that guy and not valkyrie or any of the other gods think otherwise when thor says this or seeks Zeus's help for being the strongest out in the open when they talk

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

and I also remember from some discussions that it should upscale Rockets Hadron Enforcer which is Moon level but I forget the reasoning

Rocket Raccoon stated that weapons forged in Nidavellir are the most powerful and horrific weapons to ever torment the universe, who himself created the Hadron Enforcer

 

[RoTt35]

Tier 4 is consistent among the gods:

• Gorr moving a star at FTL speeds thanks to the Necrosword, which empowers him (4-C)
• Celestials creating the stars of the universe (4-C to High 4-C)
• Odin transforming Asgardians into stars (4-B)
• Khonshu moving the night sky (4-A)

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

source?

It's from the book called "Myths and Ledgends from Around the World" (they misspelled legends lmao)

Myths and Ledgends from Around the World

Myths and Ledgends from Around the World is a book written by Anneka Sunden, detailing much of the history and legends of various mythologies from around the world including Norse mythology and the tales of the Asgardians that inspired them. Erik Selvig decided to read through the book, since...

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[The_one_you_least_expect]

Tier 4 is consistent among the gods:

• Gorr moving a star at FTL speeds thanks to the Necrosword, which empowers him (4-C)
• Celestials creating the stars of the universe (4-C to 4-B)
• Odin transforming Asgardians into stars (4-B)
• Khonshu moving the night sky (4-A)

When did gorr move a star?

 

[Dalesean027]

When did gorr move a star?

The fight on his asteroid the sun was moving around it at FTL speeds when gorr started to create more shadows

 

[RoTt35]

It's from the book called "Myths and Ledgends from Around the World" (they misspelled legends lmao)

Myths and Ledgends from Around the World

Myths and Ledgends from Around the World is a book written by Anneka Sunden, detailing much of the history and legends of various mythologies from around the world including Norse mythology and the tales of the Asgardians that inspired them. Erik Selvig decided to read through the book, since...

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If that statement is true then that would be a High 4-C feat, since an exploding star would basically be a supernova

 

[Propellus]

And towards the ending of the movie, I've been wondering, how exactly did Gorr die? What killed him?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I'm pretty sure the text says that the process of creating Mjolnir detonated the star, not that Mjolnir possesses that level of power

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

And towards the ending of the movie, I've been wondering, how exactly did Gorr die? What killed him?

All-Black the Necrosword slowly kills its user while also binding their life force to it, meaning destroying it is also as deadly to the user as possessing it

 

[NHTkenshin2]

It's from the book called "Myths and Ledgends from Around the World" (they misspelled legends lmao)

Myths and Ledgends from Around the World

Myths and Ledgends from Around the World is a book written by Anneka Sunden, detailing much of the history and legends of various mythologies from around the world including Norse mythology and the tales of the Asgardians that inspired them. Erik Selvig decided to read through the book, since...

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I beg yall at least scale thanos to 4-C i am desperate

I have money

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I beg yall at least scale thanos to 4-C i am desperate

I have money

Scroll up

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Also Mjolnir having always been tier 4 breaks scaling

 

[Propellus]

All-Black the Necrosword slowly kills its user while also binding their life force to it, meaning destroying it is also as deadly to the user as possessing it

Well damn, seems like he wouldn't have lasted long anyway even if the sword was never destroyed

 

[RoTt35]

I'm pretty sure the text says that the process of creating Mjolnir detonated the star, not that Mjolnir possesses that level of power

Mjolnir still had to withstand a supernova explosion at point-blank range, so it might still work

Also Mjolnir having always been tier 4 breaks scaling

Mjolnir has a Variable Tier, so that shouldn't be a problem

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Mjolnir has a Variable Tier, so that shouldn't be a problem

Ofc, but the reasoning is because Jane uses it to fight Gorr

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Ofc, but the reasoning is because Jane uses it to fight Gorr

Is Odin's enchantment still in effect? "Blah, Blah, Blah, possess the power of Thor"

Which would give two reasons for Jane scaling to Gorr and Thor

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Is Odin's enchantment still in effect? "Blah, Blah, Blah, possess the power of Thor"

Which would give two reasons for Jane scaling to Gorr and Thor

Obviously

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

What's the reason for Pre-L&T Stormbreaker being Tier 4 again?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

What's the reason for Pre-L&T Stormbreaker being Tier 4 again?

While I've dropped it, I reasoned that it cutting through the Infinity Gauntlet's energy beam, being intended to be a weapon for the king of Asgard, being compared to Zeus' Thunderbolt, and having ties as well as being recognized as the key to Eternity in ancient texts lead me to believe its always been this strong

I decided to drop it given Thanos straight up smacks the axe-head while its burning hot and doesn't get incinerated and backscaling phase 4 to phase 3 is a slippery slope

 

[Dalesean027]

And I personally never believed pre LaT should scale to begin with

 

[Propellus]

Wouldn't that create scaling problems by scaling everyone from phase 3 to 4-C?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Mjolnir still had to withstand a supernova explosion at point-blank range, so it might still work

Does that make Hela tier 4?

 

[RoTt35]

Does that make Hela tier 4?

Mjolnir has variable durability depending on the user, so I don't think so

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Mjolnir having been tier 4 to begin with breaks scaling. That and the text is quite vague, thus I don't think it should be used

 

[RoTt35]

That text would be supporting evidence anyway, and Mjölnir has a variable tier depending on the user so it wouldn't cause any scaling issues

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That text would be supporting evidence anyway, and Mjölnir has a variable tier depending on the user so it wouldn't cause any scaling issues

It was only varying because of Endgame and now L&T. That text is talking about the creation of Mjolnir, meaning during which to begin with

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Mjölnir has a variable tier depending on the user so it wouldn't cause any scaling issues

More specifically, it's Tier depends on the current Thor who wields it.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Mjolnir seems to depend on the current Thor wielding it. The idea that its star level based on the process of its creation would mean that Pre-Awakening Thor is tier 4, and that would be absurd

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Mjolnir seems to depend on the current Thor wielding it. The idea that its star level based on the process of its creation would mean that Pre-Awakening Thor is tier 4, and that would be absurd

Wouldn't it only have Tier 4 durability and not AP, though?

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Wouldn't it only have Tier 4 durability and not AP, though?

Wouldn't that run into the Problem of Hela being 4-C for crushing it with her bare hands?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Wouldn't that run into the Problem of Hela being 4-C for crushing it with her bare hands?

I'm just saying that I don't see how Pre-Awakening Thor would be Tier 4 since the statement seems to only apply to Mjolnir's durability, but Tier 4 Hela is definitely still a problem

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I'm just saying that I don't see how Pre-Awakening Thor would be Tier 4 since the statement seems to only apply to Mjolnir's durability, but Tier 4 Hela is definitely still a problem

Do we have any exact context on Mjolnir's creation other than that mythology book written by Humans

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Do we have any exact context on Mjolnir's creation other than that mythology book written by Humans

"Forged in the heart of a dying star"

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

"Forged in the heart of a dying star"

That's Odin's statement right?

 

[Dalesean027]

Thor needs a combat speed feat as good as the saitama fart feat

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That's Odin's statement right?

yeah

 

[Propellus]

Thor needs a combat speed feat as good as the saitama fart feat

Wait, did Saitama literally have a feat like that?

 

[Dalesean027]

Wait, did Saitama literally have a feat like that?

Farted and flew from jupiter to earth almost instantly

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

yeah

Then we go with that since Odin's more familiar with it, rather than a mythology book that's written by humans