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They said Thor wanted to see Thanos suffer before he killed him. That's a major plot point and a huge reason for the snap happening
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MCU Love & Thunder Spoiler Thread
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Thanos took an axe directly to the chest, this is quintillions of times greater than his durability. Thanos should have died and quickly.
And plus, Thanos's sword blocked Stormbreaker, which somebody like SW can break into two. This would make her, and everybody as well, 4-C
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It blocked the handle, not the axe-head, but whatever
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Thanos' sword never blocked a direct hit from the metal part of the axe
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Mjonlir has the “caused a star to explode” statement tho
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source?
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Why is the quality so ******* bad
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Yeah lmao i don't think i can read thatWhy is the quality so ******* bad
Nvm i read it
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Hm not to be a downer but thanos was hit with stormbreaker here (you can see the sparks) and slapped it down with his bare hand here which would cause the problems mentioned above. And about mjonlir being star level before LAT due to the image above, iron man and thanos both took hits from it. Agree with ratings during LAT tho.
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It skimmed his armor.
He's not slapping down a direct swing though its not in motion.
BTW, I just wanna clarify that I'm leaning towards disagreeing with 4-C Pre LaT SB too lol.
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True, but a skim from something capable of destroying a star should do more than not even leave visible damage imo. And wouldn't thanos need at least relative force to re-direct something star level, especially since thor + cap were actively moving it towards him? Anyway not tryna be needlessly hard on the mcu, just some thoughts.
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I updated both Thor and Jane's sandboxes with the suggestions but personally I think 4-C Stormbreaker makes sense, I don't think the rating has any solid anti-feats, since when Thor threw Stormbreaker at Thanos he purposefully kept him alive because he wanted to get back at him, and I also remember from some discussions that it should upscale Rockets Hadron Enforcer which is Moon level but I forget the reasoning.
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Lacku
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I see what you mean but just because a skim didn't cause as much damage as you think it should doesn't necessarily make it an anti-feat
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I'd like to add even before the 4-C stuff I've heavily disagreed with backscaling to phase 3 shit
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It should considering their proposed massive gap in ap and dura imo, similar to how superman lightly slapping a human with a portion of his strength would obliterate them. also thanos redirected stormbreaker when thor + cap were pushing it towards him.
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idk man I still don't think a skim is reason enough to disregard a rating entirely, also how did Thanos redirect it because that could just be a lifting strength feat
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i wouldn't want it to either, but I've seen upgrades be denied for less blatant things, especially in the mcu. and he slaps it down here on the edge of the axe while its blazing with power and his hand isn't even remotely hurt. thor and co should be 4-C from LAT on.
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Maybe giving it a "Varies" rating, same for Mjolnir?
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Varies depending on user sure but it shouldn't be anything else
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Dropping 4-C backscaling to pre-L&T Stormbreaker
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There's still the issue of it overpowering the IG due to AP
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Wasn't it simply stated to be hax and stay that way?
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There was a CRT about it based on another interview with the Russos
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Why was this a problem since theres no way to quantify the ap of the blast?
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Thanos had just acquired the gauntlet and was caught off guard. We can’t assume the full strength of the gauntlet was being used there. That blast is unquantifiable.
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Plus he reacted on the rush against a sudden and very powerful attack from an unexpected opponent he thought he killed, he barely had time to genuinely act
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Stormbreaker overpowering the Infinity Gauntlet's energy beam is just better High 6-C
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Thor outright says that Zeus is the most powerful
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No, which is why we're waiting until we have clips to push out this CRT
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Ok. Personally, I'm not fully on board with 4-C. It is a MASSIVE jump based on just one line and a couple Celestials standing in the background. And like I said, Thor is highly biased. He outright admits he is very disappointed in Zeus, so its likely he isn't as strong as he thought either. And if we have to completely make up a "Varies" mechanism to prevent massive complications in backscaling (nothing indicates Mjolnir has gotten trillions of times stronger since Endgame), it is just too inconsistent in my eyes.
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The disappointment is about Zeus's personnality. Thor remembered him as a great hero and protector of worlds and he sees he's just a massive egotistical jerk. It has nothing to do with Zeus's power, just his behavior
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Thor is disappointed in Zeus being a dick, not that he's not as powerful as Thor hyped him up to be
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By that logic, 2013 Mjolnir shouldn't have harmed Thanos because it was from 10 years before and primarily used by a Pre-Awakening Thor but it still did
That's WHY it has a varying rating
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Also while massive tier jumps are questionable, I fail to see that as a counterpoint when nothing contradicts tier 4 so far given
-The statement about Zeus being the most powerful
-The statement and implication that Thor has gotten way stronger
-Jane having only interacted with tier 4 characters in fights
-Gorr being heavily feared by Zeus
Plus I heavily disagree with simply "massive tier jump" as a counterpoint unless there are inherent problems with it (which there aren't in this case)
-The statement about Zeus being the most powerful
-The statement and implication that Thor has gotten way stronger
-Jane having only interacted with tier 4 characters in fights
-Gorr being heavily feared by Zeus
Plus I heavily disagree with simply "massive tier jump" as a counterpoint unless there are inherent problems with it (which there aren't in this case)
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Gorr moved a star in L&T, he should be solidly 4-C
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That too. Tier 4 seems to be fairly consistent and most appropriate so far
