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No particular reason just that she can logically punch at relativistic+ speeds so those are safe lowballs for the speed she could do it at
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MCU: High 6-A/5-C Upgrades
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I don't think it's a passive amp. And there's not much reason why Thanos would amp himself and nothing in the movies suggests it
It's also confirmed Thanos didn't use the Power Stone to show he's a super powerful fighter whose conquered thousands of worlds + far better than Hulk, Thor and Loki + announce him as the biggest villain in the MCU yet so there's a sense of dread for anyone who will come up against him later on
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That would be better but as we see we have random complaints about using that from a few individuals
we should definitely use that first though my calc is secondary at best
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Yes it varies based on the size of the user. Thanos is bigger than Ronin or his hammer hence more power.No especially since it isn’t moon level.
There was a reason on why we put “Varies“ on the Power Stone.
The Orb (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
One of the six Infinity Stones created by the Cosmic Entities, the Power Stone enables whoever uses it to annihilate entire planets and wield immense power. But the stone was just as dangerous to its handler as it was to those it was used against. Eventually, the Power Stone was placed in an Orb...vsbattles.fandom.com
However, the link is unfortunately dead though
Thanos>Moon level energies
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Thanos isn’t equal to moon level energies since the Power Stone is unknown with a few exceptions.
Not sure why we even using this point when it is ultimately meaningless plus the Power Stone doesn’t generate moon level energy all the time as well.
Edit: Also it ain’t moon level by default.
That was KLOL mentioning pushing the moon to the sun with FTL speed.
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We seriously can’t use the Power Stone for scaling, at least not in the standard “Z is superior to Y” kind of deal. The context of how it’s destruction works is incredibly case by case. Nobody is “stronger” than it. Thanos literally used it to amp one of his attacks, I don’t see why he would use it to attack Carol, who is durable enough to shrug off an attack from him, if he was in fact stronger than the Stone. We sure as hell know Ronan ain’t shit without that Stone too
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Ronan doesn’t have moon level durability with the Power Stone. If that was the case, he would been able to use it without getting overwhelmed by the sheer energy of the Power Stone and have it contained in his Hammer.
In any case, I don’t think we should use the Power Stone for scalings especially in this context.
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Not to mention, IIRC, it is pretty much unquantifiable for the stones individually outside of the Power Stone’s few displays of power.
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We could argue for tony and thanos to scale tbh
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Both Tony and Thanos was using the full five stones.
In the Former’s case, he essentially dies after one snap killing multiple enemies and Thano himself.
Thanos is definitely up to debate as he shouldn’t fully scale to the Power Stone since he clearly still use the five stones even during the fight against CM and having to take one stone out just to punch CM anyway. We also see in the same scene he was glowing with the five stones in place after putting it back in as well.
In the Former’s case, he essentially dies after one snap killing multiple enemies and Thano himself.
Thanos is definitely up to debate as he shouldn’t fully scale to the Power Stone since he clearly still use the five stones even during the fight against CM and having to take one stone out just to punch CM anyway. We also see in the same scene he was glowing with the five stones in place after putting it back in as well.
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I was referring to there fight on titan
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He also has the space and power stone during that fight as well.
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Space stone is plantery and the mind stone could arguably be higher
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Like I said, Thanos having to amp himself with it to hurt Carol kinda shatters that argument
As for Tony, he had tech specifically designed to use those stones and still died (he wasn’t even as injured as he was when he lost in Infinity War)
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/MCU:_Power_and_Space_Stones
It was initially calculated at 6A.
Also apparently Captain Marvel (MCU) got her powers from the space stone.
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She got her powers from the Light-Speed Engine, which I guess was powered by the Tesseract, but only a portion of its power
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No, not really. He might consider Carol to not be easier to best than getting the tesseract, or a number of things really. This is the problem with these arguments, the statements are all so vague but these illogical arguments are being extrapolated from them.
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Hey what happen if I take a 5-C character and add 5-C + energy to that....
He gets stronger.
This doesn't invalidate Thanos being Moon level, he just got a Moon level (Arguably higher) amp to his power allowing him to overpower someone who was previously overpowering him.
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Ronin considers a girl who just decimated his entire fleet easier to get than a literal cube that anyone can steal?
Makes perfect sense to me
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Not to mention has high 6-A statements from the MCU's primary WoG
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Not to mention my stance is pretty much neutral overall anyway.
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So I'm just gonna lay out our options as of now.
None of you have to listen to my proposal but this would just be the basis for what we are arguing for.
Also this assumes that the Tesseract scaling goes through, so like I said judge how you want.
If we do decide to use this then OP could add this to his post
I personally prefer option 3 but like I said this is to see where everyone stands.
Also I believe we should discuss Captain Marvel from "What If's" canonicity to the main universe.
Specifically her Xandar Impact which was re-calced to High 6-A
None of you have to listen to my proposal but this would just be the basis for what we are arguing for.
Also this assumes that the Tesseract scaling goes through, so like I said judge how you want.
If we do decide to use this then OP could add this to his post
Option 1: High 6-A
Option 2: High 6-A, Possibly 5-C
Option 3: High 6-A, Likely 5-C
Option 4: 5-C
I personally prefer option 3 but like I said this is to see where everyone stands.
Also I believe we should discuss Captain Marvel from "What If's" canonicity to the main universe.
Specifically her Xandar Impact which was re-calced to High 6-A
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No matter what Ronan'a 5-C dura with the powerstone needs to be on his profile
The Powerstones and mindstones AP respectively needs to be updated
I could be forgetting something
The Powerstones and mindstones AP respectively needs to be updated
I could be forgetting something
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I'm on board with option 1 at the very least with option 1 since there's a lot more precedent for that than not
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Not exactly considering a comple different factors
not what I was referring to, besdies using all the stones together is supposed to be very tasking consdering the ridiculous amount of power it produces
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Thanos potentially can based on how he handled holding the powerstone. Before you deny it read my above posts as to why I believe he scales
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It’s not tbh
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I mean this would only scale to the tesseract, CM and SW the 6-A
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Also we have Rocket's statements of weapons' made by Nidevvilir being the strongest in the universe.
Which would include the Hadron Cannon
Which would include the Hadron Cannon
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I thought the whole phase 3 cast was going to scale this for a sec
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Not if we go by the high 6-A stuff since that involves the tesseract scaling and captain marvels implications with ronan and feige's statement that captain marvel could punch the moon away which is a high 6-A feat being consistent with the other stuff other than that all that'd change is this
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This would scale to Thor, Thanos, Cap. Marvel of course and Captain America with Thors hammer
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